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Research in Other Countries => South Africa => Topic started by: terrorbull on Thursday 25 May 17 10:57 BST (UK)
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I just cannot find a birth ir baptism record for my GGrandmother. Her and her older brother are not to be found but the other siblings are recorded. Would there be a reason why the 2 older children were not recorded?
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If you give a little more information, like names, dates and places, we can try and work it out. :)
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Pre-civil registration?
Recorded under another surname?
Not registered where you expect registrations to be?
Detail the marriage, events that are found, and census/other details for those that are errant
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Hi, Welcome to Rootschat
Name and year of birth and area would help...
Have you checked the GRO index, what is the mothers maiden name? If other siblings found, should be post reg. Register free to search https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
Sorry to ask so many Q but without info...a non starter ???
Civil reg only became compulsory from around 1874, after that there was a fine/penalty
Cas
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Born before the marriage or to a different father ie half siblings/under mothers surname?
Pop the names/places down as you see there are many willing helpers here :)
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I just cannot find a birth ir baptism record for my GGrandmother. Her and her older brother are not to be found but the other siblings are recorded. Would there be a reason why the 2 older children were not recorded?
You haven't mentioned dates or even a country :-\ Is it South Africa by any chance?
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Civil reg only became compulsory from around 1874, after that there was a fine/penalty
Civil registration was compulsory from 1 July 1837. Until 1875, the responsibility for registration lay with the registrar, so some births were missed.
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Name: Elizabeth Magdalena Ann Gilowey born Luyt.
Born: 15/7/1872. Cape Town?
Died: 12/6/1952. Cape Town
Parents: Daniel Coenraad Adriaan Luyt & Ann Luyt (Caffery)
Maried: Frederick Lodewyk Charles Gilowey
Cannot find his birth or baptism either
He was born: 1869
Died: 1949
Parents: Fredrik Johan Giloway & Beatrix Jacoba Maria Giloway (Villet)
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Civil reg only became compulsory from around 1874, after that there was a fine/penalty
Civil registration was compulsory from 1 July 1837. Until 1875, the responsibility for registration lay with the registrar, so some births were missed.
With all respect, I do know the date of when civil reg began, was trying to point out when the law enforced or a penalty or fine was issued for non registration. Do not want a debate on legalities, or nit picking.
Cas
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It may not even be relevant, depending on what country terrorbull's ancestors came from!
1837/1875 applies to England and Wales.
So many people "on hold" here waiting to help you, terrorbull!
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It may not even be relevant, depending on what country terrorbull's ancestors came from!
1837/1875 applies to England and Wales.
So many people "on hold" here waiting to help you, terrorbull!
How very true!
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Name: Elizabeth Magdalena Ann Gilowey born Luyt.
Born: 15/7/1872. Cape Town?
Died: 12/6/1952. Cape Town
Parents: Daniel Coenraad Adriaan Luyt & Ann Luyt (Caffery)
Born in Western Cape, Sth Africa
Siblings
/edmund-michiel-bernardus-vos-luyt, /johan-hendrik-vos-luyt, /hendrik-vos-luyt, /frederick-michiel-vos-luyt, /gabriel-vos-luyt, /hendrik-vos-luyt,/petrus-vos-luyt, /jacobus-johannes-vos-luyt,/elizabeth-jacoba-vos-
Married: Frederick Lodewyk Charles Gilowey
Cannot find his birth or baptism either
He was born: 1869 Sth Africa
Died: 1949
Parents: Fredrik Johan Giloway & Beatrix Jacoba Maria Giloway (Villet)
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Name: Elizabeth Magdalena Ann Gilowey born Luyt.
Born: 15/7/1872. Cape Town?
Died: 12/6/1952. Cape Town
Parents: Daniel Coenraad Adriaan Luyt & Ann Luyt (Caffery)
Born in Western Cape, Sth Africa
Siblings
/edmund-michiel-bernardus-vos-luyt, /johan-hendrik-vos-luyt, /hendrik-vos-luyt, /frederick-michiel-vos-luyt, /gabriel-vos-luyt, /hendrik-vos-luyt,/petrus-vos-luyt, /jacobus-johannes-vos-luyt,/elizabeth-jacoba-vos-
Married: Frederick Lodewyk Charles Gilowey
Cannot find his birth or baptism either
He was born: 1869
Died: 1949
Parents: Fredrik Johan Giloway & Beatrix Jacoba Maria Giloway (Villet)
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It may not even be relevant, depending on what country terrorbull's ancestors came from!
1837/1875 applies to England and Wales.
So many people "on hold" here waiting to help you, terrorbull!
How very true!
Thanks so much all born in Sth Africa and ancestors from Germany, Deutchland
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Since you posted in The Common Room (a general board) and didn't give any clue as to location you've gotten some replies which have nothing to do with South African records. However, if you click on 'report to moderator' and ask for this topic to be moved to the South Africa board it's possible someone there will be able to help further.
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So this is one of the kids
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Aluyt~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Adaniel~
forget that, too early
Edmond Michael Bernadus Vos Luyt / Baptism / 04 Apr 1869
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFN9-3ZT
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My great grandfather was born in Johannesburg in 1897. He later signed a British civil service proof of age stating that his birth was not recorded due to there not being a registrar there at the time. If I'm not mistaken the first registrar in Johannesburg started up in 1903. I didn't read through all the comments but I thought I would share my similar research situation anyways incase it helps. Good luck :)
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On the archives site, probably an ancestor:
Wits University Library
TYPE Manuscript
REFERENCE A1593f
DESCRIPTION Cape of Good Hope
STARTING 18630116
ENDING 18630116
REMARKS 1p; Printed form completed in Ms.
SUMMARY + Copy of an entry in Dutch in the Baptismal Register of
the Reformed Church, Cape Town, recording the baptism
on 6 March 1842 of Daniel Coenraad Adriaan Vos, born on
18420114, the parents being Fredrik Michiel Luyt Vos
and Magdalena Sophia Nieuwenhuysen. Certified a true
copy by A Faure.
It is likely that all the children would have been baptised in the Reformed Church. A lot of those records are online at Family Search.