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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: kayla0609 on Thursday 25 May 17 14:08 BST (UK)
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Wonder if the kind people who helped me before can again with this problem I have.
Alfred Richard Herbert was born 1889 he married someone called Elizabeth and that is all I can find no surname for her.
Have checked the indexes I belong to but to no avail.
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Hi,
Did they have any children?
You would be able to find their mother's maiden name from the GRO website.
JJ
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There is a marriage of an Alfred R Herbert -
q3 1912, Islington
Vol 1b Page 651
He married Grace E Balding.
Perhaps Grace preferred the name Elizabeth instead of Grace. What source do you have for Alfred's wife name to be Elizabeth?
JJ
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no children
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Hi was he the son of Richard & Martha b 7th January 1889 baptism 10th January 1889 St Marylebone, St Andrew and a possible death in Biggleswade March qtr 1956?
Keyboard86
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on the 1939 register, know she died before 1956 when her husband died.
So perhaps I have been looking in the wrong direction searching for an Elizabeth.
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That's the Alfred he was living with his sister when he died
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Many thanks for this info now I have the name of his wife I can go forward.
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Biggleswade March qtr 1956?
Electoral register has an Alfred Richard Herbert at King Street, Potton from 1952, I wonder if he was the Biggleswade death. It still shows in 1957 but ER's are not totally reliable - no wife
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Many thanks for this info now I have the name of his wife I can go forward.
I have looked at the marriage of Alfred R Herbert to Grace in 1912. Unfotunatley they are not the people you are looking for as the name on the marriage cert is Alfred Robert Herbert, father's name Robert Herbert. ???
More research is needed................
JJ
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Biggleswade March qtr 1956?
Electoral register has an Alfred Richard Herbert at King Street, Potton from 1952, I wonder if he was the Biggleswade death. It still shows in 1957 but ER's are not totally reliable - no wife
Newspaper reports confirm he died at that address home of his sister Mrs N G Schwarze with whom he was living after his wifes death approx 4 years before. Funeral Bedford Crematorium
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Deaths Dec 1950 :-\
Herbert Elizabeth age 60
Edmonton 5e 285
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Just a bit more info on the newspaper article.
In his younger years he was a Regular in the Royal Scots Fusiliers as a signaller. He was captured in the first Battle of Mons and was a prisoner for the rest of WW1.
JJ
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A free search on the 1939 has Elizabeth's birth year as 1887.
JJ
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Yes Alfred was living in Potton in King st.
Can I ask you another favour can you see if you can find Grace death I have just had a look but no joy.
Grace died before 1956 cause Alfred was a widower when he died that year
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Many thanks for this info now I have the name of his wife I can go forward.
I have looked at the marriage of Alfred R Herbert to Grace in 1912. Unfotunatley they are not the people you are looking for as the name on the marriage cert is Alfred Robert Herbert, father's name Robert Herbert. ???
More research is needed................
JJ
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Wow didn't know that he was pow
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don't know what name she usually used makes it confusing.
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Wow didn't know that he was pow
Herbert, 8882 Pte: A. R.; R. Scots Fus.
Link to POW, it would appear that Alfred was returned in 1914 -
http://ww1photos.com/CasualtyLists/1914Sep29thNCOMenPOW.html
JJ
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so pleased with all this info but his wifes a mystery
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He married Elizabeth JARMAN in Dublin in 1910. His parents named as Richard and Martha, and hers as William and Elizabeth (church record)
I don't think this will work without the ridiculous sign in process:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09938/5613279.pdf
Civil Reg. image available here:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Debra :)
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On the 1922 Electoral register Arthur Richard Herbert is living with his parents Richard James and Martha at 169 Northumberland Park, Tottenham. Also living with them is Lilian Elizabeth Herbert. Did Herbert have a sister of this name or could it be his wife?
JJ
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got them hopefully right parents thank you
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lilian is his brother Stanleys wife
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Lily Elizabeth Rimmington was her single name
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lilian is his brother Stanleys wife
At least that lady can be ruled out. :)
JJ
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its just Grace who was the mystery to me.
But have so much info now I can go forward on will definitely be getting Alfred POW records.
Cant thank you all a big enough thanks
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The Royal Scots Fusiliers, 2nd Battalion moved from Dublin to Londonderry in 1910 and stayed until 1912.
This could be Elizabeth on the Irish 1911 -
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002855292/
Good luck with the rest of your research :)
JJ
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I now know her name wasn't Grace
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Thank you all