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Morning all, i am googly eyed trying to find this family in 1871, can you help?
In 1861 they are living in Great Boughton, 10 Foxbrook Street, William is a Shoemaker & local preacher.
William Dodd b Cheshire 1821
Elizabeth Dodd b Hoole 1824
Elizah Dodd - (Elijah) b1857 Cheshire
Kezia Dodd b 1848 Cheshire
Matthew H Dodd b Cheshire 1851
Alexander W Dodd b wolverhampton 1852
John Dodd b wolverhampton 1856
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I'm not entirely convinced that places of birth are correct.
are they consistent from 1851?
They are old enough to start marrying 1861-1871
Where did any of these people end up after 1861?
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DODD, KEZIAH mmn MEACOCK 1847 J Quarter in GREAT BOUGHTON
DODD, MATTHEW HENRY mmn MEACOCK 1849 S Quarter in GREAT BOUGHTON
DODD, ALEXANDER WILLIAM mmn MEACOCK 1852 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON
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The places of birth are correct as far as i can see & consistent in place.
I am having difficulties tracking a lot of the family, such as Alexander & Keziah. There may be a possibility that i have 2 families intertwined, however i can't see it if that makes sense? William can't seem to get his job straight he switches from chemical manufacturer/chemist/druggist to Shoe Maker & preacher! i also believe he lied & left Elizabeth & started another family in 1885 (he was 64) claiming to be a widow when he wasn't! I'd love to see a picture of him as his bride was 24!
Finding any of those family members on the 1871/1881 census would really help me in solving this mystery!
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Ok, then so is Elijah's date correct at 1857?,
'cause its uncommon for kids to be listed in other than date order.
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I've found him! He's on the Wales census as Dadd, It gives no clues so now i need to find him in 1881! ::) ???
William Dadd
Age: 50
birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
born: St John, Cheshire, England
Town: Llan
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Llanelly
Sub-reg district: Pembrey
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The above post looks like a "copy and paste" which isn't allowed!
Here are the details from that Wales 1871 census:
2 Burrows Terrace, Pembrey
Martin Welsh 46 Publican and lead smelter bn Ireland
Lizzia Welsh wife 53 bn Carmarthen
Thomas Richards 16 boarder Lead smelter
David Richards 15 boarder Copper smelter
Joseph Clement 31 boarder lead smelter
New household at same address:
William Dadd 50 boarder 50 Manager bn Chester St John
Elizabeth 47 wife bn Hoole
Matthew 21 baker bn Hoole
William 18 shoemaker bn Wolverhampton
John 15 bn Wolverhampton
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Looks as if mother Elizabeth Dodd is widowed by 1891 and living in Lancashire with her married son
Matthew H Dodd and his family https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:73Y5-KMM
RG12; Piece: 2977; Folio: 104; Page: 3
Added - marriage
13 Jun 1880 , St Jude Liverpool, Lancashire
Matthew Henry Dodd 29 baker father William chemical manufacturer
Jessie Harrison 19 father Joseph baker
Witnessed by Richard Kitchen & Sarah Jane ?ri?er
Both signed their names, residence 9 Cecil St
and son John married as Alfred John but is on the censuses as John
28 Sep 1881 St Saviour Everton, Lancashire
Alfred John Dodd f/a Chemical manuf. Father William chemical manuf.
Hannah Susannah Carruthers f/a father Robert Achetson Carruthers sea captain
Witnessed by John Thomas Knowle & Ann Jane Wat?inson
Both signed, res. 41 Thurl?ese Rd
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I am not sure where they are in 1881 but by 1885 William has married Martha Ward
25 Jan 1886 St Augustine, Pendlebury, Lancashire, England William Dodd - 59 Chemist Widower of Pendlebury Martha Ward - 25 Domestic Servant Spinster of Pendlebury Groom's Father: John Dodd, Labourer Bride's Father: Henry Ward, Blacksmith.
& as seen Elizabeth is living with her son Matthew in 1891.
Very confused am i!! As i said there may be 2 families i'm mixing up but i actually think William is telling Porkies! I wonder if the clues lie in 1881?
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In 1861 they are living in Great Boughton, 10 Foxbrook Street, William is a Shoemaker & local preacher.
William Dodd b Cheshire 1821
Elizabeth Dodd b Hoole 1824
Elizah Dodd - (Elijah) b1857 Cheshire
Kezia Dodd b 1848 Cheshire
Matthew H Dodd b Cheshire 1851
Alexander W Dodd b wolverhampton 1852
John Dodd b wolverhampton 1856The above post looks like a "copy and paste" which isn't allowed!
Here are the details from that Wales 1871 census:
New household at same address:
William Dadd 50 boarder 50 Manager bn Chester St John
Elizabeth 47 wife bn Hoole
Matthew 21 baker bn Hoole
William 18 shoemaker bn Wolverhampton
John 15 bn Wolverhampton
I am having difficulties tracking a lot of the family, such as Alexander & Keziah.
I'm wondering if Alexander William Dodd born c1852 Wolverhampton is using his middle name William
possible marriage and death
1881 West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended
Alexander W DODD
Jane CARRUTHERS (perhaps she's related to Alfred John Dodd's wife Hannah Susannah Carruthers)
FreeBMD shows Alexander's middle name as William
Possible death Alexander
1946 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVC9-94X4
Marriage of Elijah Dodd
1871 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHQQ-NXC
1871c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBJ9-PHT Elijah with gd/mother Mary Meacock
1881c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-FJYC
1891c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-FJYC
there's a marriage entry 1872 Sheffield for a
Keziah Dodd
male names on same page
William Fletcher Gardener
George Wilson
and one in 1913 Alverstoke to a G Simpson
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In 1861 they are living in Great Boughton, 10 Foxbrook Street, William is a Shoemaker & local preacher.
William Dodd b Cheshire 1821
Elizabeth Dodd b Hoole 1824
Elizah Dodd - (Elijah) b1857 Cheshire
Kezia Dodd b 1848 Cheshire
Matthew H Dodd b Cheshire 1851
Alexander W Dodd b wolverhampton 1852
John Dodd b wolverhampton 1856The above post looks like a "copy and paste" which isn't allowed!
Here are the details from that Wales 1871 census:
New household at same address:
William Dadd 50 boarder 50 Manager bn Chester St John
Elizabeth 47 wife bn Hoole
Matthew 21 baker bn Hoole
William 18 shoemaker bn Wolverhampton
John 15 bn Wolverhampton
I am having difficulties tracking a lot of the family, such as Alexander & Keziah.
I'm wondering if Alexander William Dodd born c1852 Wolverhampton is using his middle name William
possible marriage and death
1881 West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended
Alexander W DODD
Jane CARRUTHERS (perhaps she's related to Alfred John Dodd's wife Hannah Susannah Carruthers)
FreeBMD shows Alexander's middle name as William
Possible death Alexander
1946 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVC9-94X4
Marriage of Elijah Dodd
1871 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHQQ-NXC
Is it any wonder we struggle to find these? Ancestry has Mary transcribed as Mary Mencock & Elijah as Elizan! Thak you for finding these.
1871c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBJ9-PHT Elijah with gd/mother Mary Meacock
1881c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-FJYC
1891c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-FJYC
there's a marriage entry 1872 Sheffield for a
Keziah Dodd
male names on same page
William Fletcher Gardener
George Wilson
and one in 1913 Alverstoke to a G Simpson
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Is this the William & Martha Dodd you are referring too?
1891c Yorkshire, William boot & shoe maker, Martha, Jessie Dodd
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:765J-VT2
1901c William shoe maker & boot, Methodist local preacher, Martha & Jessie
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9PW-657
2 Apr 1904 St Luke Eccleshill, , Yorkshire
Jessie Dodd 19 father William shoemaker
Albert John Davis 22 clerk f William Henry deceased
Witnessed by William Dodd & Ethel Culley
Res 3 Ashfield Place Moorside
Will see if I can spot William DODD on 1881 census
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Is this the William & Martha Dodd you are referring too?
1891c Yorkshire, William boot & shoe maker, Martha, Jessie Dodd
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:765J-VT2
1901c William shoe maker & boot, Methodist local preacher, Martha & Jessie
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9PW-657
2 Apr 1904 St Luke Eccleshill, , Yorkshire
Jessie Dodd 19 father William shoemaker
Albert John Davis 22 clerk f William Henry deceased
Witnessed by William Dodd & Ethel Culley
Res 3 Ashfield Place Moorside
Will see if I can spot William DODD on 1881 census
Yes this is them.
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In 1861 they are living in Great Boughton, 10 Foxbrook Street, William is a Shoemaker & local preacher.
William Dodd b Cheshire 1821
Elizabeth Dodd b Hoole 1824
Elizah Dodd - (Elijah) b1857 Cheshire
Kezia Dodd b 1848 Cheshire
Matthew H Dodd b Cheshire 1851
Alexander W Dodd b wolverhampton 1852
John Dodd b wolverhampton 1856The above post looks like a "copy and paste" which isn't allowed!
Here are the details from that Wales 1871 census:
New household at same address:
William Dadd 50 boarder 50 Manager bn Chester St John
Elizabeth 47 wife bn Hoole
Matthew 21 baker bn Hoole
William 18 shoemaker bn Wolverhampton
John 15 bn Wolverhampton
I am having difficulties tracking a lot of the family, such as Alexander & Keziah.
I'm wondering if Alexander William Dodd born c1852 Wolverhampton is using his middle name William
possible marriage and death
1881 West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended
Alexander W DODD
Jane CARRUTHERS (perhaps she's related to Alfred John Dodd's wife Hannah Susannah Carruthers)
FreeBMD shows Alexander's middle name as William Yes they appear to be sisters, mother Hannah & father Robert
Possible death Alexander
1946 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVC9-94X4 This isn't my chap it's a Alexander Wilson Dodd age 0
Marriage of Elijah Dodd
1871 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHQQ-NXC
1871c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBJ9-PHT Elijah with gd/mother Mary Meacock
1881c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-FJYC
1891c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-FJYC
there's a marriage entry 1872 Sheffield for a
Keziah Dodd
male names on same page
William Fletcher Gardener
George Wilson
and one in 1913 Alverstoke to a G Simpson
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I am not sure where they are in 1881 but by 1885 William has married Martha Ward
25 Jan 1886 St Augustine, Pendlebury, Lancashire
William Dodd - 59 Chemist Widower of Pendlebury
Father: John Dodd, Labourer
Martha Ward - 25 Domestic Servant Spinster of Pendlebury Groom's
Father: Henry Ward, Blacksmith.
& as seen Elizabeth is living with her son Matthew in 1891.
Very confused am i!!
As i said there may be 2 families i'm mixing up but i actually think William is telling Porkies! I wonder if the clues lie in 1881?
Sorry not having much luck locating William Dodd on 1881 census ???
I wondered if he may have been with Martha Dodd nee Ward 1891/1901 census give her born c1861 Leeds
This might be Martha Ward age 20 a housemaid in Yorkshire, Vicarage Village
Head Henry Deck Vicar of Hampsthwaite
1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27R-CYHM
Perhaps William is living close by :-\
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There's this William Dodd age 55 but wrong pob his occupation is Church Clerk And Shoemaker and he's noted as a widow living Black Notley, Essex :-\
1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27D-FPPW
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just noticed he's on 1871 census so not your William :(
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just noticed he's on 1871 census so not your William :(
Or is that evidence that there are two William's? One who is a shoemaker and preacher and marries the Martha in later life, and the other who is a chemical manufacturer and was married to Elizabeth and dies before 1891?
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Have we had the marriage?
12 March 1843 at St John's Chester
William Dodd 22 shoemaker, Seaville Street, father John Dodd, labourer
Elizabeth Meacock, 19 1/4 , servant St John's Street, father Thomas Meacock, coachman
witnesses John Cotgreave and Emma Ellis
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just noticed he's on 1871 census so not your William :(
Or is that evidence that there are two William's? One who is a shoemaker and preacher and marries the Martha in later life, and the other who is a chemical manufacturer and was married to Elizabeth and dies before 1891?
[/quote But then the shoemaker/preacher who married Martha listed himself as a chemist/widower when he married her! If there are 2 families i can not find either one concurrently if that makes sense?
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Have we had the marriage?
12 March 1843 at St John's Chester
William Dodd 22 shoemaker, Seaville Street, father John Dodd, labourer
Elizabeth Meacock, 19 1/4 , servant St John's Street, father Thomas Meacock, coachman
witnesses John Cotgreave and Emma Ellis
No we have not had his marriage, but as you see here he is listed as shoe maker & then his son Matthew Henry lists him as a chemical manufacturer when he gets married! Quite a difference between professions!
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In 1861 they are living in Great Boughton, 10 Foxbrook Street, William is a Shoemaker & local preacher.
In the occupation column it also says "Was C M"
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So that could stand for Chemical Manufacturer? I never noticed that good spot!
None of his children were baptised so i'm guessing he was a chapel preacher rather than church?
i've looked through the papers available on FindMyPast but can't find anything on him!
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Just had a thought, are you able to search for an address on the 1881 census? Matthew Henry Dodd married in June 1881 giving the address 9 Cecil St, in the parish of St Jude Liverpool. But his then fiance was living at 20 Boaler St in West Derby & i think the census was taken in April? He might be there in 1881.
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Just had a thought, are you able to search for an address on the 1881 census?
Matthew Henry Dodd married in June 1881 giving the address 9 Cecil St, in the parish of St Jude Liverpool.
But his then fiance was living at 20 Boaler St in West Derby & i think the census was taken in April? He might be there in 1881.
If you have a sub to F M P - you can search the 1881 using street name and number - this is all I found but take a look yourself just in case I've missed something obvious
9 Cecil Street, West Derby, Lancashire the BAXTER family are living at that address in 1881,
checked No’s 1 through to No 49 sorry I can see no DODDS ???
Can't quite make out the address for Alfred John Dodd who married in Everton Sept 1881 looks like 41 Thurlmere Rd
Matthew Henry Dodd & Jessie married Jun 1880 not 1881 and his wife Jessie & dau Amy
were lodging with Carruthers at 20 Boaler Street in 1881 - no husband Matthew so
where was husband Matthew in 1881 ? He's back with Jessie in 1891
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It's Thirlmere Road - and again no Dodds there on the 1881. there are however some Underwoods
William H - a hatter, aged 20
Eliza - 65, his widowed mother
Annie - 26, sister
plus James Keely - visitor, ship's steward b Houston USA
There's also a Roberta Underwood aged 4, a nurse child at Boaler Rd with the Carruthers and Jessie Dodd. Wondering if connedted
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It's Thirlmere Road
Thanks Mabel :)
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Thank you, how incredibly frustrating! Where on earth are they? I thought we would of been on to a winner with the 1881 census & marriage!
Any clues on further avenues to look?
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Thank you, how incredibly frustrating!
Where on earth are they?
I thought we would of been on to a winner with the 1881 census & marriage!
Any clues on further avenues to look?
Yes it is frustrating ??? - I'll keep checking - so at the moment it's only Elijah we have on 1881c
and Matthew's wife Jessie :-\
Just in case anyone else is looking can I confirm this all of the Dodd family?
William Dodd c1821 St John Chester Cheshire married 1843 Elizabeth Meacock various occ.
Elizabeth c1824 Hoole Cheshire (noted as widowed on 1891c with son Matthew & family)
Elijah c1845 Chester married 26/8/1871 Mary Montgomery
Kezia c1848 Chester
Matthew H(enry) c1850 Hoole/Chester - married 11/6/1880 Jessie Harrison
Alexander W(illiam) c1853 Wolverhampton Staffordshire – 1881 married Jane Carruthers
(Alfred) John c 1856 Wolverhampton – married 28 Sep 1881 Hannah Susannah Carruthers
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There does appear to be a Jane Dodd b 1841 but she never shows after so i'm guessing she died as an infant. I couldn't see elizabeth as a Meacock or Dodd on the 1841 census. Also Alexander William & Jane never seem to appear after their marriage in 1881! This really is a peculiar family!
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re AW Dodd & jane,
Have you searched birth indexes, shipping lists etc?
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re AW Dodd & jane,
Have you searched birth indexes, shipping lists etc?
The birth indexes is a tricky one as there is another brother/carruthers marriage! tried shipping lists but no luck yet.
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Nothing particularly tricksy about it.
Are all the Dodd-Carruthers births accounted for in census to AJ and Hannah Susannah?
Or in deaths?
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I am going through that. It's a painful process as i seem to have given myself carpel tunnel investigating the Dodd's!
I have another leed i will be looking into a criminal record for an Alexander William Dodd. He also used an alias Alecander William Ward!
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=oyx956&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&ssrc=pt_t111925486_p120090677960&srchb=r&gss=angs-c&rank=1&tid=111925486&pid=120090677960&gpid=&gsfn=Alexander%20W&gsln=Dodd&msbdy=1853&msbpn=87362&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7C0%7C0%7C0%7C3251%7C0%7C0%7C0%7C5284%7C87362%7C0%7C&msbpn__ftp=Wolverhampton,%20Staffordshire,%20England&cp=4&cpxt=1&msrpn=5257&msrpn_PInfo=7-%7C0%7C0%7C0%7C3251%7C0%7C0%7C0%7C5257%7C0%7C0%7C&msrpn__ftp=Chester%20St%20John%20the%20Baptist,%20Cheshire,%20England&msfng=William&msfns=Dodd&msmng=Elizabeth&msmns=Meacock&msbng0=Jane&msbns0=Dodd&msbng1=Elijah&msbns1=Dodd&msbng2=Keziah&msbns2=Dodd&msbng3=Matthew%20Henry&msbns3=Dodd&msbng4=Alfred%20John%20(John)&msbns4=Dodd&mssng0=Jane&mssns0=Carruthers&_83004003-n_xcl=f&MSAV=1&pcat=36&h=1025979&recoff=5%207%2018&dbid=6820&indiv=1&ml_rpos=17
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12 March 1843 at St John's Chester
William Dodd 22 shoemaker, Seaville Street,
father John Dodd, labourer
Elizabeth Meacock, 19 1/4 , servant St John's Street,
father Thomas Meacock, coachman
witnesses John Cotgreave and Emma Ellis
by 1885 William has married Martha Ward
25 Jan 1886 St Augustine, Pendlebury, Lancashire
William Dodd - 59 Chemist Widower of Pendlebury
Martha Ward - 25 Domestic Servant Spinster of Pendlebury
Groom's Father: John Dodd, Labourer
Bride's Father: Henry Ward, Blacksmith.
& as seen Elizabeth is living with her son Matthew in 1891.
i actually think William is telling Porkies!
I wonder if the clues lie in 1881?
I can see the 1843 marriage cert. for William Dodd to Elizabeth Meacock, both signed their names
Is that an initial E in front of William’s signature? - perhaps Elizabeth went to sign her name on the wrong line :-\
The marriage details you transcribed for William Dodd occ Chemist to Martha Ward
Is this available to view on line?
If so, have you compared the two signatures of both William's to see if they differ?
Dau Jessie Dodd bn 1885 Lancashire and on the censuses with William Dodd, shoemaker & Martha –
I haven’t found her birth on GRO indexes showing mmn WARD,
the only one I could find mmn RYE ???
Jessie DODD, 1885 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 564
Have I missed something
Jessie Dodd married 1904 and father William's occ shoemaker
one of the witnesses is William Dodd (might be her father)
Does anyone see any similarities between these two signatures for William Dodd 1843/1904?
For info. one of the witnesses to William & Martha's marriage was a Boyd Allen, if this is
the correct person might be a connection with occupations
1881 census St Augustines Lodge Lancashire Parish of Pendlebury
Boyd Allen age 60 born Waterford Ireland occ Appraiser Chemist
RG11; Piece: 3950; Folio: 64; Page: 13;
The above occ. was transcribed as Chemist but on 1901 census
St Augustines Lodge, 376, Bolton Road, Pendleton
Boyd Allen is retired Apparitor (Church Off.)
RG13 Piece 3720 Folio 168 Page 27
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Another chemist connection!
The Martha William marriage was a transcription found at http://www.lan-opc.org.uk I have not found on line images of the wedding certificate.
William was quite elderly by the time Jessie married so i have always put that down to the shaky handwriting.
I have a feeling that Jessie Dodd was registered as Jessie WARD 1884 Q 4 Salford 8d 65 she was born before they married.
It's another certificate on an ever growing list to buy.
If i could figure out which church he preached at that could give me another avenue to look at.
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Nothing particularly tricksy about it.
Are all the Dodd-Carruthers births accounted for in census to AJ and Hannah Susannah?
Or in deaths?
All births relate to John & Hannah.
There is a shipping list for an Mr A W Dodd & Mr A W Dodd jnr but really it gives nothing that i can go on, but i'm not so good with shipping lists.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ti=5538&indiv=try&db=bt26&h=15241838