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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: Lisajb on Friday 26 May 17 19:40 BST (UK)
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Evening all
I have been trying to connect a couple of Burstons, and am getting more and more confused as time goes on.
My husbands grandmother had a child, I've never been able to find a marriage between her and the child's father. The child was born in Ireland and is still alive. I've not been able to find a death for the father, although he looks to have been born in 1911, so I'm not sure whether I can give his name
My husband has told me that a family friend was also a Burston before she married. Her father, one Clifford Burston, is on the 1911 census with father George (birth registered 1882 in Martley) a sister and mother who was transcribed as Maise. According to this they married in about 1906.
Looking at Clifford and sisters birth registrations on GRO gives a mothers maiden name of Harper. There's a 1906 marriage for a Mary Daisy Harper in 1906 in Martley Reg district, but the bridegroom is Roland Burston! Roland? Who on earth is Roland? Where did he come from? He appears to be George's brother b 1888, but I do not know why he has apparently metamorphosed into George by 1911. The family are in Gloucestershire at this point
Family search has a Roland Burston immigrating in Queensland, Australia in 1912. Did he do a runner for some reason and George stepped in?
And I still don't know where my husbands grandmothers child's father fits into the picture. They seemingly don't share a mother. There's a birth for this Burston in Newent, Gloucestershire in 1911,but mmn is different.
Both Clifford and t'other Burston are in the same household in Thornbury, Gloucestershire in 1939.
If anyone could help me tease this puzzle out, I'd be so thankful
Thanks
Lisa
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So the child born to your husband's grandmother born in Ireland had a father born 1911 in Newent.
I can't find a death record for him but I can see his marriage in 1931, age 20 where it names his father as George Burston.
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I need to get the Newent birth certificate, only started looking at this on Thursday night.
Yes, have just had a look at that marriage, It is not to my husbands grandmother though - this is a different lady. One of the witnesses is Clifford. There has to be some connection between himand the other gent, although quite what, I can't find.
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Just bringing this back again. still utterly confused.
I've obtained the Newent birth from the GRO, this shows a birth date of 27th Sept 1911, father Herbert George Burston and mother May, formerly Wilson.
1939 register gives his birthdate as 27th Sep 1912.
But again, how this all fits together with Clifford, I still can't puzzle out. The family friend mentioned previously says that Clifford and the chap whose birth is registered in Newent were brothers, but that can't be possible, can it?
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Have you found the birth and death for Mary Daisy Harper/Burston?
'There's a 1906 marriage for a Mary Daisy Harper in 1906 in Martley Reg district,'
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Daisy May Harper born 1888 Upton?
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There is also this Burston/Wilson birth, wonder where that ties in (or not)?
Births September quarter 1913
Phyllis I Burston mmn Wilson Bedwellty 11a 237
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Phyllis Burston goes to Canada in 1930 via Salvation Army. Mother is May,(something crossed out) Mrs Burston, Pillers Green, Gorse near Gloucester.
Might be a maid in Vancouver in 1935
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Possibly dies as Phyllis Nuttall in 1986 in Victoria, British Columbia
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'1906 marriage for a Mary Daisy Harper in 1906 in Martley Reg district, but the bridegroom is Roland Burston! Roland? Who on earth is Roland? Where did he come from? He appears to be George's brother b 1888,'
Who is Roland's Father on the marriage certificate, and how old is Roland?
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At least certs are a bit cheaper just now!
Roland b1888 according to GRO, mmn Wall. A Thomas Burston married twice, first to Jane Wall, second to Florence Mobberley (spelling can vary a bit)
Gorse may well be significant - my mysterious chap (I haven't found a definite death for him, although as he appears on the 1939 register I presume he is dead, so can I give his name?) gives Gorse or Corse as his place of residence for his marriage (to another lady, not my husbands grandmother). Sorry, this is all so confusing.
I found a ships list, SS Rippingham Grange, last night, with a Rowland Burston aged 23, place of origin Worcs., leaving London for Queensland. I am presuming he did indeed leave his young family.
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I've obtained the Newent birth from the GRO, this shows a birth date of 27th Sept 1911, father Herbert George Burston and mother May, formerly Wilson.
What is the father's occupation? Who is the informant? What is the address?
I am presuming he did indeed leave his young family.
It is just as possible that Roland's wife left him. In 1911 he is living with relatives and says he is single. You really also need to get the birth certs of the two children to see who the father was. It could be either/or or one of each.
Debra :)
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Place of birth is The Brooms, Dymock, Gloucestershire, informant is mother May of Drury Lane, Redmarley and fathers occupation is farm labourer.
In 1911 George Burston is in Dymock, albeit with Rolands wife, occuoation Farm Labourer Army Pensioner
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It is just as possible that Roland's wife left him. In 1911 he is living with relatives and says he is single. You really also need to get the birth certs of the two children to see who the father was. It could be either/or or one of each.
Debra :)
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You are correct, of course. I have ordered birth certs today for Clifford and his sister, and also for Phyllis.
I can't seem to find a Burston/Wilson marriage anywhere. It's possible that they didn't marry.
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Rowland arrives in Queensland, but then I can see no marriage nor death for him (up to 1987), but he could easily go to another part of Australia.
'father Herbert George Burston '
Do you mean Herbert George, as I cannot see him on free bmd?
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Rowland arrives in Queensland, but then I can see no marriage nor death for him (up to 1987), but he could easily go to another part of Australia.
'father Herbert George Burston '
Do you mean Herbert George, as I cannot see him on free bmd?
Or indeed anywhere else in the world. I'm not very familiar with Australian records, may need to wait for ancestry to have one of their free commonwealth records weekends.
The chap I am looking for - I have not mentioned his name as have not so far found a death for him - gives his fathers name as George Burston on his marriage certificate. I ordered two birth certs for my chap, those being the most likely candidates. One is a definite no, father being William a Burston, the other gives fathers name as Herbert George
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This is Roland on the Rippingham:
http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Image/DigitalImageDisplay.aspx?ImageId=39277#page=11&view=Fit&ispdf=true
archives for Queensland:
http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/
http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/AdvancedSearch.aspx
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Link to Pillows Green, Corse:
http://maps.nls.uk/view/101452923#zoom=3&lat=4298&lon=3798&layers=BT
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On the 1939 there is a George Burston born in 1881 living in Newent - there is no birth in 1881. With him is Alice M Pittman 1882.
The Newent birth is wrong in 1939 (1912 not 1911)
And George is wrong ? 1881 not 1882?
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On the 1939 there is a George Burston born in 1881 living in Newent - there is no birth in 1881. With him is Alice M Pittman 1882.
The Newent birth is wrong in 1939 (1912 not 1911)
And George is wrong ? 1881 not 1882?
George's birth registered Q2 1882 in Martley, MMN Wall.
I've no idea who Alice might be.
May looks to be in Wallasey in 1939 with a Joseph Williams, her birth given as 1880, his 1888. Maybe a brother?
This doesn't get any easier, does it? But thank you so much for all your help. And thanks to everyone else as well
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Phyllis Burston goes to Canada in 1930 via Salvation Army. Mother is May,(something crossed out) Mrs Burston, Pillers Green, Gorse near Gloucester.
I think that should be Pillow's Green, Corse. Can you post a snip of the 'something crossed out'?
Debra :)
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Yes, I think it is Pillows Green, Corse (which was why I did a link to that on a map), but that was how it was written on the document.
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Yes, I think it is Pillows Green, Corse (which was why I did a link to that on a map), but that was how it was written on the document.
Sorry, sometimes I have selective blindness. 8)
Debra :)
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Well - my pdf certs arrived today.
Father of Grace Burston b1908 - Roland Burston - mmn Harper
Father of Clifford Burston b1910 - George Burston - mmn Harper
Father of the chap I am trying to link to Clifford - George Burston - mmn Wilson
And the father of Phylis born 1913, mmn Wilson, is George, who looks to have led a busy life
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I am the grandson of Clifford Burston. Have you got any further with this as i am just beginning to search my family tree??
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Hello there
Other than sorting out who is whose father, as per my last post, no.
Still looking for a death for Reginald, and also trying to find out what happened to Roland after he left for Australia.