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ROBERT CARNEY (HUSBAND)
Date of Birth Approx 1809, Armagh
Occupation: Tailor
Date of Death 6 Apr 1874
18 Amelia Street, Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland
ANN (NEE______) CARNEY (WIFE)
Date of Birth Approx 1805, Armagh
Date of Death 14 May 1873
Old Lodge Road, Belfast, Northern Ireland
(Obituary states Ann was to be returned to Armagh for burial in family plot the day following her death)
ALFRED ERNEST CARNEY (SON)
Date of Birth Approx 1848, Armagh
Date of Death 20 Feb 1929
29 Old Compton Street, Westminster, London, England
I am looking for any additional information on the maternal side of my family, including Ann's maiden name. I received a death certificate for Robert Carney but a GRONI search for Ann Carney was not successful. I have a death certificate for my grandfather but no birth certificate.
Thank you!
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ALFRED ERNEST CARNEY (SON)
Date of Birth Approx 1848, Armagh
Date of Death 20 Feb 1929
29 Old Compton Street, Westminster, London, England
I am looking for any additional information on the maternal side of my family, including Ann's maiden name. I received a death certificate for Robert Carney but a GRONI search for Ann Carney was not successful. I have a death certificate for my grandfather but no birth certificate.
Civil registration of births didn't start until 1864 so there will be no birth certificate for Alfred.
I also searched for Ann's death without any luck.
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Thank you very much for taking time to check for me.
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family search
http://www.familysearch.org
Alfred Carney 1911 census st. Anne within the Liberty of westminster - Jewellers salesman
copy of this on this site Alfred is 63 and single born Armagh
did he leave a will?
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Previous post on Alfred Carney-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744858.0
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I continue to look for Alfred Ernest Carney's birth/baptism in Armagh in and around 1848.
Can anyone tell me if the attached was transcribed incorrectly? Could it be Kearney, Alfred? This was the day my great grandfather could have been born and I've found his parents are Robert Kearney and Anne Hamilton.
I had a genealogist suggest this entry could have been my great uncle Alfred's (Alfred Kearney) Vuioney is such a different name (certainly not Irish). I've found his father's name has been spelled Kearney and Carney.
Thank you.
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What parish was this from?
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I believe it's from Armagh.
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Here's the whole page for others to review. I can't upload as the file is too big:
https://www.ancestry.ca/interactive/61039/05591_01_0053/6906423?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.ca%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dIrelandCatholicParish%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_r_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dfran*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dduffy%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbdy%3d1848%26msbdy_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3d1gg%26msbdp%3d2&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
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Eileen: Why that's fantastic! How in the world did you find it? It appears to come out in French and lists the last name as Hamilton for Robert, Anne and Alfred...
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Looked for the Duffy baptism above it. Still don't really know what the surname should be, but the indexed entry as Hamilton is incorrect, as the format is name of child with surname, son of father's name and mother (with maiden name).
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Here's the whole page for others to review. I can't upload as the file is too big:
https://www.ancestry.ca/interactive/61039/05591_01_0053/6906423?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.ca%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dIrelandCatholicParish%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_r_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dfran*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dduffy%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbdy%3d1848%26msbdy_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3d1gg%26msbdp%3d2&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
Which can only be seen with a subscription to Ancestry- parish registers free here-
https://registers.nli.ie/
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There was indeed a couple called Robert Kearney and Anne Hamilton having children baptised in Armagh RC parish in the era, for comparison note:
- James baptised 3 June 1844 (left page, 4th entry down):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632475#page/11/mode/1up
- Frederick baptised 14 September 1845 (left page, 11th entry down):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632475#page/28/mode/1up
The couple's marriage on 6 December 1843 (left page, bottom entry):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632474#page/28/mode/1up
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Gaffy,
Thank you for the links! The interesting thing is, Alfred's second child was named Frederick as his first was named, Alfred, after himself, or so I think. I don't believe Frederick is a common name is it? Unfortunately Alfred's son, Frederick died as a baby in 1879.
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Yes, Alfred and Frederick were a lot less common than James, John, William etc. - a quick search of the forename on the 1901 or 1911 Ireland census will give you a flavour of that.
Armed with the knowledge that a Robert Kearney and Ann Hamilton were married and having other children in that era and locale, 'seeing' Kearney in your extract isn't too far a leap - the elaborate flourish of the letter 'G' above confuses the top of 'K', the leg of the 'K' is disjointed and the remaining letters are poorly formed, especially the 'r', but Kearney is a definite contender.