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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: LjaLja on Friday 02 June 17 21:24 BST (UK)
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My great grandfather served as a private in ww1, I have found his silver badge / cards and that is it. I know he married a Janet call in 1913 but I don't know who is parents are, where he is from, when he passed away. I ordered his marriage certificate but his fathers name was not on there :-( Does anyone have any advice ?
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Hello and welcome to Rootschat
What is James' age on his marriage certificate? The address he is living at and the names of the witnesses? Anything that may give us a clue to his origins. If no father is named on the certificate it usually indicates an illegitimate birth but the middle name of Currie could be an indication of his father's name.
I see he was married in Staffordshire and his wife died there in 1953
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Doing a basic search on Findmypast's 1939 register there is a Janet Adamson in Staffordshire but I can't place a James C there in the same registration district.
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He was 34yrs old on his marriage certificate and his profession was a iron dresser. Their address was 49 shepherd street, Wolverhampton.
The witness's were D N Adamson and Robina Patterson (otherwise adamson) it says. Thank you
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He had my grandad whose name was also "James Currie Adamson" he was born 1915 and he also had a "robina Currie Adamson" born 1912.
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Have you looked for him in the 1911 census? You would then know where he was born!
Regards,
flst
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Trying to make sense of this in the context of what you mention:
ROBINA CURRIE WRIGHT (born CALL), 1912 - 1991
ROBINA CURRIE WRIGHT (born CALL) was born on month day 1912, at birth place, to JAMES CURRIE ADAMSON and JANET ADAMSON (born BRITTON).
JAMES was born in 1879, in Scotland.
JANET was born in 1881, in KILSYTH, SCOTLAND.
ROBINA had 7 siblings: GEORGINA W SAYERS (born CALL) and 6 other siblings.
ROBINA married JOHN WILLIAM WRIGHT.
JOHN was born on April 17 1907, in 51, GROVE STREET, HEATH TOWN.WOLVERHAMPTON.
They had 3 children: john william wright and 2 other children.
ROBINA passed away on month day 1991, at age 79 at death place.
www.myheritage.com/names/robina_wright
There is a birth for this Robina I think showing as: 2nd Qrt 1912 - CALL Robina C - mother's maiden name Britton in Wolverhampton - Vol 6b/ Pg 1110.
Monica
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Yes I have but I've had no luck unless I've missed something. The only suggested documents from ancestry are his enlistment card and silver badge card. To which he enlisted 1914 and discharged in 1919 due to sickness his age was 40. But then I'm stuck again. So I know he was alive in 1919 but can't find nothing after that. And I can't find nothing before he was married.
And yes Monica that is the correct robina
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Enlistment papers normally give a place of birth. Was there nothing showing for him when he enlisted in 1914?
Monica
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Ok, making some sense for me a little the different names.
Is it that a Janet Britton married a male Call. He died. She remarried in 1913 a James Currie Adamson?
There is a marriage in the Glasgow area (Dennistoun) in 1901 for a Janet Britton and an Alexander Call. A move to Wolverhampton maybe which is why we have at least two births (Robina and Davina in 1913) showing under the surname of Call and mother Britton. Alexander dies ? Janet's marriage to a James Currie Adamson in 1914 with her showing as Janet Call? Edit: Davina shows as Call and Adamson, with mother's maiden name Britton. From this, all births in Wolverhampton up to 1920 showing as Adamson, with mother's maiden name Britton.
Monica
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Yes that's all correct information, he married Janet call in 1913 i have there certificate. I wondered where davina had come from because that name had popped up. Janet had quite a few children it gets complicated. As I'm new at all this I'm still learning. Robina was born in 1912 I think
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You mentioned earlier a sister/daughter Georgina. Wondering if this is Janet Britton/Call in Kilsyth Stirlingshire for the 1911 census.
Janet Call 30
Annie Call 9
Janet Call 7
Georgina Call 5
This is just from the general index on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Monica
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Yes I think there all from her previous marriage but none it is getting me closer to finding about my great grandad
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Good work Monica ;)
If like me, I get confused with info. giving married surnames then (born x) as it's so much easier working with maiden names from start off.
Anyway...
all births in Wolverhampton up to 1920 showing as Adamson, with mother's maiden name Britton.
Do you have an occupation for J C Adamson?
It may be an idea to get the last birth (1920) for an occupation.
Another thought is whether "D N Adamson and Robina Patterson (otherwise adamson)" were husband & wife or brother & sister?
Looking for a marriage for D N Adamson may give a father's name or finding him on 1911 may help with POB (Place of birth)?
I couldn't locate J C in 1911 either but haven't looked for D N Adamson.
Could find neither on any census' in Scotland from 1881 ???
I couldn't find a birth for J C or D N Adamson in Scotland i.e. may have been illegitimate but took on their father's surname which wasn't unusual?
Does J C's enlistment not give a NOK (Next of Kin) which may name his mother & an address?
No father named on marriage may be an indicator he didn't know his father's name?
Edited as I note he was already married when he enlisted ::)
Annie
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Think I've found Robina in 1911 Cartwright St. W'Hampton Staffs.
Head of House D.H.Adamson.
RG14; Piece: 17051; Schedule Number: 186
close match in 1881 Aberdeen:
Agnes Adamson 53
Mary Adamson 17
David H Adamson 18
1901 in Dundee:
James Muat 57
Elizabeth Muat 58
Jane Purves 86
David Adamson 36 boarder. Occ. Bill poster same as 1911 census Staffs.
1901 Robina is in Galashiels with George & William (see 1911 Staffs.) & husband George.
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Jim, with what you mention, I think this might be D H Adamson's birth details https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYYW-BD9
Monica
Added: From the general index, age not a perfect match though from 1911 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7Y-RNL
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So just need to find A James Currie Adamson to Robert & Agnes :P
Maybe they were cousins.
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Progress Jim, great! ;D
Sometimes you need to go round the houses to get to where you need to be :P
I could see that was Monica's thinking too as a bit of background always helps.
Annie
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I did find David 'H' but OP gave 'N' for middle name.
Annie
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H & N very similar though.
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H & N very similar though.
As is an 'M'...3 which can get mixed up at times ::)
Annie
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The person of interest is Robert Adamson who married Agnes Duncan but I can't find him with her on any census.
Edit:
Marriage said he was a seaman which probably accounts for it.
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Just a little more on the witnesses to the 1913 marriage. Robina showed as Robina Patterson otherwise Adamson (from language, cohabitating rather than married?). This is her I think in 1911 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7Y-RNG
Possible entry for the Pattersons in 1901:
George Patterson 39 blacksmith b. Gordon, Berwickshire
Robina Patterson 39 b. Galashiels, Selkirkshire
James Patterson 20 Foundry Furnace Stoker b. Galashiels, Selkirkshire
John Patterson 17 b. Galashiels, Selkirkshire
Bessie Patterson 15 b. Galashiels, Selkirkshire
George Patterson 8 b. Galashiels, Selkirkshire
William Patterson 2 b. Galashiels, Selkirkshire
Address: 34 Albert Pl, Galashiels
From the general searches of the 1911 index, I think George and William Patterson are also in Wolverhampton for that census.
Monica
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Yes living together but never married. There's also a Davina Patterson b. 1907 Glasgow who might be David Adamsons.
Father Robert may have parents Alexander Adamson & Catherine Symon but not quite sure. Still can't find a link to James Currie Adamson.
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A George Patterson married a Robina Currie in Melrose, Roxburghshire in 1882. Could James Currie 'Adamson' be the illegitimate child of Robina Currie, born before her marriage to George Patterson? And, when she married George Patterson, could James show under Patterson and then Adamson?
1881 census:
James Currie 51 Woollen Mill Labr b. Selkirk
Bessie Currie 52 b. Hawick, Roxburghshire
Robina Currie 19 b. Selkirk
James Currie 2 b. Galashiels, Selkirkshire...there is a likely 1879 birth registration showing for this
Address: 36 Waverley Pl, Galashiels
This looks to be 1891 after Robina's marriage:
George Patterson 29 blacksmith
Robina Patterson 29
John Patterson 7
Bessie Patterson 5
Aggie Patterson 2
Address: 55 Wood Street, Galashiels
At that time, James is showing as Patterson at this maternal grandmother's:
Elizabeth Currie 65 annuitant b Hawick, Roxburgh Shire
James C Patterson 12 b. Galashiels
Address: St Boswells, Roxburgh
Monica
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That looks interesting. Talk about keeping it in the family.
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Birth confirms James Currie b. 2/3/1879 illegit. s. of Robina Currie woollen yarn winder.
Informant James Currie Grandfather.
1901 living with Grandmother Elizabeth Currie still as Patterson. see you've got that.
Think I can see him in 1911 lodging in Galashiels BP Hawick though.
Strange looking for a link to DH Adamson & it was Robina all along.
Could be he was estranged from his Step-father & decided on Adamson.
Scenario seems to be that Robina has left George & taken up with David Adamson & moved to W'Hampton & James has followed later dropping the Patterson name in favour of Adamson.
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I'm trying to see if it's a H or N it won't let me post a picture :-\
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I wouldn't bother with that. D.H/N. Adamson was a red herring.
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I would like to thank you all for your help I've now got some things to look into and it's hard when your new and my mind is doing over time because I really wanted to know about this James Currie adamson my great grand father. I'm excited to look into these findings, the more information the better
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A parting gift.
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Monica & Jim, what a team, another query solved & another happy poster! ;)
Annie
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Just been following this as an outsider,
What a Team, Well done to everyone involved in solving this.
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1879 is getting a bit late for the relentless persecution of fornicators by the Kirk Sessions, but it's not impossible that the Galashiels Kirk Session minutes might contain some information about Robina's unmarried pregnancy, and in particular who the father was.
A father could only be named on the birth certificate of an illegitimate child if he accompanied the mother to the Registrar's and signed the certificate with her. So even if the entire parish knew fine who the baby's father was, it wouldn't be on the birth certificate if he refused to go with her on that day.
Worth bearing in mind for when the Kirk Session records become available on SP.
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I will bare that in mind thank you very much