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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: craigbarwick01 on Sunday 04 June 17 14:36 BST (UK)
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I am hoping to fill some blanks in my research of a couple of hotels in Peel St North in Ballarat. I have found a relative, Thomas Dutton who applied for the licence of the Retreat Hotel in January 1870 and in December of the same year applied to transfer the licence to a premises across the road, l think he named it the Green Hotel, but not 100% sure. At this time he was married to Mary Ann Dutton, née Williams, married in Tasmania. Mary Ann died in 1882 and Thomas married Elizabeth Smith in 1885, who was licencee of the Bute Hotel, also in Peel Street at the railway end. I can't find any more on the Retreat or Green Hotel or Thomas's movements between 1870 and 1885. I believe the Bute Hotel closed in 1891, I think Thomas died in the Heathcote Hospital in 1893 as I can't find any deaths for a Thomas Dutton in Ballarat. Elizabeth died in 1897, her death is recorded as Dutton, but the funeral notice gives her as her maiden name, Smith, wife of William Smith. If any one can fill some blanks it would be much appreciated
Cheers
Craig
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Hi,
Victorian Government Gazette, Friday 1st June 1877, page 1070.
When the DEVIL'S POINT TRIBUTE COMPANY NO LIABILITY was formed as a mining company on 28th May 1877 at Ballarat one of the shareholder holding 100 shares at 2 pound each was a Thomas DUTTON, miner of Ballarat.
Victorian Police Gazette 13th October 1886, page 287.
"James alias Paul McLaughlin, is charged, on warrant, with assaulting Thomas Dutton, in Ballarat East on the 1st instant."
Gerry
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Is this the death of a Thomas Dutton you are referring to in 1893?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/193433920
Sue
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Here is a Thomas DUTTON of Costerfield. He is a miner.
Is he the same man you are seeking?
Is he the same man as being of Costerfield in the news item about his death I have posted?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/90203354
Sue
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The Thomas Dutton I am seeking is listed as a labourer in any thing I have on him, I do know he was living in Skipton or Shipton Street , Ballarat around 1868 - 69. The Heathcote death may not be him.
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It may be an idea to add some extra details if you have them such as birth year, parents names. when/where married, children's names etc. as background info. can be helpful too.
Annie
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Hi,
I see in a newspaper article 18th November 1868 mention is made of a Thomas Dutton of Chilton, West Bank, Tamar, being insolvent. Is he your Thomas?
Gerry
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No, it wasn't your Thomas, there was a Captain Thomas Dutton R.N., of West Tamar around at the same time.
Gerry
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Can't help with birth date sorry, obviously I can't use the Heathcote death as a guide, Thomas's only other profession was as a publican, as far as I know, that's why I'm chasing the Hotel line. As I said he was listed as licencee of the Bute Hotel after 1885, I assume until it closed
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If you have children for him, subtract 22 yrs from the birth of the 1st born for a guestimate as it's better to have some idea of his birth year than no idea for people helping? ;)
This would make him 21 yrs old when married, even if it's out a bit it's still something to work from.
Annie
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Actually, maybe naming the children in order with dates/places where born may possibly help?
Annie
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Related link to save duplication of effort;
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=768964.0
Annie
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The Thomas Dutton I am seeking is listed as a labourer in any thing I have on him, I do know he was living in Skipton or Shipton Street , Ballarat around 1868 - 69. The Heathcote death may not be him.
He is "Thomas Dutton, stoker" on his application for the licence for the Retreat Hotel.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article112857540
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Details given by Thomas himself would be on the this marriage certificate. Should include his age, occupation, place of birth [below], parents' names including his mother's maiden name.
You can purchase online and immediately download
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj
DUTTON Thomas Born Manchester
SMITH Elizabeth Jane Born Hobart
1885 Reg#3537
I suggest you contact the Ballarat Genealogy Society
http://www.ballaratgenealogy.org.au/research/ballarat-hotels
Cando
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From the Ballarat Star, Thursday 20th October 1892, page 4.
The Bute Hotel up for auction on this day, owned by Herman Sass, there had been an opinion by the locals that there were too many hotels so I guess Herman took the opportunity to close the Bute Hotel and get compensated for the closure.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/204988855?searchTerm=
Gerry
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The Ballarat Cemetery burial record for Elizabeth on 28 Oct 1897, has occupation wife not widow.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k7q/
Not having any details other than Thomas was born Manchester, perhaps a further look at these deaths in WA. Early days of gold mining.
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx
DUTTON Thomas 62 years Born Manchester, England
1898 Reg#1554
and
DUTTON Thomas 81 years Born England
Parents Unknown
1905 Reg#2051
Homes for the Aged Returns 1905
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article25515945
Burial record for 81 year old Thomas DUTTON died 5 May 1905
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00004560
Australian Electoral Roll
1903 WA Perth/Old Men's Depot
DUTTON Thomas Pauper
I think the only way forward with your research is to purchase an image of Thomas and Elizabeth's marriage certificate and contact the Ballarat Genealogy Society for information about hotels. We need a date of birth to help you any further.
Good luck.
Cando
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Thanks all for the information and tips, I will organise a copy of the marriage certificate and post the results
Craig
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Interesting article about the Bute Hotel (supplying liquor on a Sunday) - "the place was in charge of a man named Dutton" while licenced to Elizabeth Smith, 9 may 1884. So Thomas worked there before they were married.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202588209
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Hi Cando,
I have some information that may help, Thomas Dutton ( widower 1882 )age, 62, born in Manchester England to Samuel Dutton and Mary Ann Adams, Stoker married 7 April 1885 at the Bute Hotel to Elizabeth Jane Smith ( widow 1882 ) age 56, domestic, daughter of John Gale Maddox and Rebecca Clipperfield, born in Hobart
Cheers
Craig :) ;) :) :)
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The reference to "Skipton or Shipton Street" would definitely be Skipton Street. It has been known by that name since the very early mining era, as it was (and still is) the road to the town of Skipton, which is 51 kilometres south-west of Ballarat.
Re hotels, I believe that a quite detailed book on Ballarat hotels was published several years ago. I presume copies would be available in the local library.
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Hi,
I've been researching the Bute Hotel because my ancestor, Eliza Williams had the license in 1866. I've found a description that said it had two parlors, four bedrooms, a kitchen and out houses.
Was Elizabeth's first husband William Smith? If so, I think he assaulted Eliza Williams in 1865.
There's a web site about Ballarat pubs: https://ballaratpubs.miraheze.org/wiki/Bute_Hotel_(Peel_Street)
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Hi pennymercer127, you are correct , Elizabeth's first husband was William Henry Smith, I will have a look at you shared link,
Cheers, Craig