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Hi, I am wondering if there's anyone that can help me learn more about this family. Do you think you can help me sort things out?
My GGG Grandfather James Thacker married Hannah Stickley on 9 October 1826 in Leamington Priors All Saints. James was christened 08 Dec 1799 in Aston le Walls, Northamptonshire. Hannah was christened 20 October 1799 in Butlers Marston, Warwickshire.
I have some information suggesting that prior to this communion James married Ann Plomer on 16 February 1823 in Aston le Walls, Northamptonshire. I have a copy of a parish register stating they were married by banns. James was from Appletree and Ann was from Aston.
I also believe they had one son, whom they named Richard. I believe this Richard is listed as a brother and nephew to James who is living with my GGGG Grandfather Thomas Thacker in the 1851 census. He's 26, putting his birth date around 1825. He is in the other census's as well. It appears my GGGG Grandfather raised him.
I haven't been able to find a death date for Ann Plomer Thacker though. This is one of the things I'd like looked up.
According to my records, Hannah Stickley had a child she name Sarah christened on 19 April 1825 in Butlers Marston, Warwickshire. Sarah was buried 19 Dec 1825 in Butlers Marston. I only have transcriptions and have not seen these parish records. I'm wondering if looking this up will verify that Sarah was an illegitimate child of Hannah's.
My records also show that James and Hannah had 8 children together. The eldest, my GG Grandfather Richard, born 22 May 1827 Leamington, Warwickshire and christened on 20 January 1828 in Aston le Walls, Northamptonshire; the 2nd was Elizabeth, christened on 22 November 1829
in Aston le Walls, Northamptonshire; the 3rd was Sarah, christened on 06 May 1832 in Aston le Walls,Northampton; the 4th was Eleanor, christened on 16 June 1833 in Aston-le-Walls, Northamptonshire; the 5th was William Harold, christened on 18 Jun 1837 in Leamington Priors All Saints; the 6th child, Nancy Thacker: I have no verification for. She was supposedly born around 1840. She's not found in any census, so she died prior to 1841 or was born after the census in 1841 and died prior to 1851 or perhaps she's a myth. I suspect that, in consideration of the news report discussed later in this post, if she's real, she died prior to 1843. The 7th child is Thomas, christened 09 February 1840 in Hartshorne, Derbyshire. I really question this, as the family was extremely poor. A 1-year-old Thomas is in the 1841 census with them, but if you could, please try to find a birth and death date closer to Leamington. Thomas died prior to 1851 as the 1841 census is the only one he's listed in. I suspect both Nancy and Thomas died prior to 1842.
There is a news report on 18 February 1843 that tells about the accidental death of Eleanor. It mentions the birth of James and Hannah's "sixth" child Mary Ann. According to the article, Mary Ann, christened 16 July 1843 would have been born on 8 February 1843. It makes sense that whatever neighbor gave the information about this birth wouldn't have known about the death of Nancy and Thomas. The news article also reports that James was unemployed at the time.
Hannah Stickley was buried on 12 December 1853 in Leamington Priors, Warwickshire.
James married Hannah Baldain on 25 May 1854 in Leamington Priors, Warwickshire (Prior marriages William Smith and John Needle). I don't have death dates for either prior husband. It would be nice to have them.
Thanks for all your help. There's more, but for now, this is plenty!!!
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First of all - Thomas c. 1840 Hartshorne Derbys is not of your family -but is the son of a different James & Hannah
1861
Church St Hartshorne Derbys
James Thacker Head M 60 ag lab
Hannah wife 60
Thomas son 21 Clay Miner
all b hartshorne Derbys
RG9 2268 45 4
Suz
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From image
1841
Hills Buildings leamington Warwicks
James Thacker 40 lab No
Hannah 35 No
Richard 14 yes
Elizabeth 10 no
Sally 9 no (I expect this is Sarah?)
Ellen 7 Y
William 4 Y
Thomas 1 Y
HO107 1135 10
there is this baptism from image
Leamington Priors All Saints
10 Dec 1843 Thomas Thacker son of James & Ann
address Leamington
father's occ Labourer
maybe he was baptised as a child?
1851
3 Hills Buildings Leamington Warwicks
James Hacker Head M 50 Appletree Northants
Hannah wife 51 Butlers M
Sarah daughter 19 Appletree Northants
William son 14 Wood lab Leamington
Mary Ann daughter 9 (or 8 -transcribed as 3) Railway lab Leamington
HO107 2072 216 39
1861
Springfield St Leamington
James Thacker Head M 61 lab Appletree Northants
Hannah wife 61 Culworth Northants
Mary daughter 18 Leamington
William son Married Leamington
Ellen daughter in law M 23 Northants
Emily Jane daughter (should be granddaughter) 3 leamington
Clara daughter 7mths leamington
RG9 2220 56 11
where did yo find a ref to Nancy??
Suz
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Hi, I am wondering if there's anyone that can help me learn more about this family. Do you think you can help me sort things out?
My GGG Grandfather James Thacker married Hannah Stickley on 9 October 1826 in Leamington Priors All Saints. James was christened 08 Dec 1799 in Aston le Walls, Northamptonshire. Hannah was christened 20 October 1799 in Butlers Marston, Warwickshire.
I have some information suggesting that prior to this communion James married Ann Plomer on 16 February 1823 in Aston le Walls, Northamptonshire. I have a copy of a parish register stating they were married by banns. James was from Appletree and Ann was from Aston.
I also believe they had one son, whom they named Richard. I believe this Richard is listed as a brother and nephew to James who is living with my GGGG Grandfather Thomas Thacker in the 1851 census. He's 26, putting his birth date around 1825. He is in the other census's as well. It appears my GGGG Grandfather raised him.
I haven't been able to find a death date for Ann Plomer Thacker though. This is one of the things I'd like looked up.
According to my records, Hannah Stickley had a child she name Sarah christened on 19 April 1825 in Butlers Marston, Warwickshire. Sarah was buried 19 Dec 1825 in Butlers Marston. I only have transcriptions and have not seen these parish records. I'm wondering if looking this up will verify that Sarah was an illegitimate child of Hannah's.
My records also show that James and Hannah had 8 children together. The eldest, my GG Grandfather Richard, born 22 May 1827 Leamington, Warwickshire and christened on 20 January 1828 in Aston le Walls, Northamptonshire;
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are we following different Richards??
Baptism
Page 15 entry 115
Aston le Wall
20 Jan 1848
Richard Thacker son of James & Hannah
address Appletree
father's occ labourer
Richard is age 14 with family in 1841(previously posted)
but it seems Richard is not the one with Thomas in 1851??
Marriage from image
Leamington Priors
30 Aug 1838
Richard Thacker fa Bachelor labourer of Tachbrook St father James Thacker occ lab
Sarah Steel spinster Leamington father William Steel labourer
witnesses Elizabeth Thacker (Richard's sister??) and Henry Ru??s
Richard signs others made their mark
1851
Richard Thacker Head M 23 lab leamington
Sally (Sarah in next census) wife 21 Weston
Ellen daughter 2 leamington
Emma daughter 9mths leamington
Ann Nicholls visitor W 56 laundress Leamington
Mary Titmus visitor U 20 servant
HO107 2072 214 35
Suz
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First of all - Thomas c. 1840 Hartshorne Derbys is not of your family -but is the son of a different James & Hannah
1861
Church St Hartshorne Derbys
James Thacker Head M 60 ag lab
Hannah wife 60
Thomas son 21 Clay Miner
all b hartshorne Derbys
RG9 2268 45 4
Suz
I am referring to what is recorded in familysearch. Thank you for finding the correct family for Thomas. I was quite certain the christening record attached to him was incorrect. I will make the necessary corrections.
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there is this baptism from image
Leamington Priors All Saints
10 Dec 1843 Thomas Thacker son of James & Ann
address Leamington
father's occ Labourer
maybe he was baptised as a child?
1861
Springfield St Leamington
James Thacker Head M 61 lab Appletree Northants
Hannah wife 61 Culworth Northants
Mary daughter 18 Leamington
William son Married Leamington
Ellen daughter in law M 23 Northants
Emily Jane daughter (should be granddaughter) 3 leamington
Clara daughter 7mths leamington
RG9 2220 56 11
where did yo find a ref to Nancy??
Suz
Yes, it is quite likely James was christened as a child, however, Mary Ann was christened in July 1843. Wouldn't they have christened James at the same time? Is it possible they didn't realize he wasn't christened then, and when they became aware of it, they did it. Or prehaps Mary Ann was ill and they had to christen her right away. However, Richard, Eleanor, William and Mary Ann's christening records all list Hannah as the mother. These are the only christen records I have an source for. Would it be common for James's mother to be listed differently? We know Thomas died prior to 1851, maybe you can find a burial record.
Oh! I just noticed something. Hannah Stickley was buried on 12 December 1843. Perhaps James is another child, named after his deceased brother, or perhaps the priest christened him when he was called. Hannah probably died the same day James was christened.
Yes, you are correct, in the 1861 census, both Emily and Clara are grand children.
Nancy is listed in familysearch. I too, am wondering where she came from. There is absolutely no evidence supporting her existence. I was hoping you'd find something. I don't want to remove her until I am certain she doesn't belong.
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are we following different Richards??
I suspect James Thacker had two sons named Richard. One was the son of Ann Plomer, born about 1825; the other the son of Hannah Stickley born 1827. Ann's child appears in the 1841 census with his grandfather and uncle. I supsect his grandparents raised him.
Thomas Thacker M 25-29 Northamptonshire
Rachel Thacker F 30-34 Northamptonshire
James Thacker M 9 Northamptonshire
Thomas Thacker M 65-69 Northamptonshire
Richard Thacker M 18-22 Northamptonshire
William ???Er M 9 Northamptonshire
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so the eldest Richard is
1851
Thomas Thacker widower 78 Invalid Pauper
Thomas Thacker Head 39 M ag lb
Rachel wife 41
Richard Thacker U 26 ag lab brother in law crossed through and nephew entered
all b Appletree
HO107 1734 145 14
I am wondering if this Richard was maybe the illegit son of Hannah Thacker (daughter of Thomas and sister of Thomas who married Rachel)
I have not yet been able to find a baptism but on select marriages Richard Thacker m Elizabeth Truman8 Sept 1858 Brimington Derbys - no father is entered on this record
It may be worth purchasing the marriage cert to see if there is a father entered
Suz
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Partial Transcription: Marriage solemized at the parish church in the parish of Asten le Walls in the County of Norhamptonshire 18 April 1852 Richard Thacker, 28, bachelor, Labourer, residence Appletree, father James Thacker (no occupation listed) and Eliza Dewe, 21, spinster (no occupation given) residence Aston le Walls, father Thomas Dewe, Labourer
Witnesses William Dewe and Hannah Dewe
No burial record for Eliza Dewe Thacker, and no known children.
Then Elizabeth Barker, previous marriage to Thomas Trueman (the marriage you referred to.)
1861 England Census
about Richard Thacker Name: Richard Thacker
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Thacker
Gender: Male
Where born: Appletree, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Brimington
Town: Brimington
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Household schedule number: 75
Piece: 2531
Folio: 34
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Thacker 37
Elizabeth Thacker 33
Ann M Thacker 3
Elizabeth Thacker 2
Rachel E Thacker 2 Months
Ann Mary is actually a Trueman.
No burial record for Elizabeth Barker Trueman Thacker
Children:
Elizabeth Thacker c 24 JUL 1859 Brimington,Derby
Rachel Emma Thacker c 24 FEB 1861 Brimington,Derby
Sarah Ann Thacker c 08 MAY 1863 Brimington,Derby
Emma Jane Thacker c 11 MAR 1866 Brimington,Derby
Sarah Annie Thacker c 11 MAR 1866 Brimington,Derby
Name Richard Thacker
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Brimington, Brimington, Derbyshire, England
Enumeration District 27Richard Thacker Head M 47 Appletree, Northamptonshire
Rebecca Thacker Wife F 53 Wootford, Northamptonshire
Elizabeth Thacker Daughter F 11 Brimington, Derbyshire
Ann Mary W Freeman Stepdaughter F 13 Brimington, Derbyshire
I don't have a clue what happened to Elizabeth and the girls. I can't help but wonder if an illness or something took them all in March of 1866, with Sarah Annie being christened a second time for some reason. I also have no idea when Richard married Rebecca.
Uncle Thomas is living with Richard and Rebecca in 1881 and Richard is living with his daughter Elizabeth's family in 1891.
I believe both Richards are James's sons.
Thanks again for your help!
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I thought I posted this last night, but I don't see it, so I'll post again. Please forgive me if it's a duplicate post! Perhaps it'll be easier if we break this into bite size pieces. I'd like to begin with Hannah Stickley. Hannah Stickley c 20 October 1799 in Butlers Marston, Warwickshire. I believe her parents are Richard Stickley and Hannah Chester. They were married 15 November 1790 in Kineton, Warwickshire. Hannah siblings I have christening records for are Josiah c 18 January 1795 in Butler's Marston; Richard c 11 July 1802 in Butlers Marston; John c 24 February 1805 in Pillerton Priors and Hersey, Warwickshire; and Thomas c 21 June 1807 in Pillerton Priors and Hersey. Another child Ann is attached to the family in familytree, but herchristening record records her mother as Elizabeth: Ann c 7 Aug 1796 in Butlers Marston.
It would be nice to find out more about Ann and see if we can find her family.
I'm also interested in Sarah Stickley c 9 April 1825 in Butlers Marston and buried 19 Dec 1825 in Butlers Marston. I'd like to find out if she's the illegitimate daughter of Hannah, or if she belongs to a different family also.
I am also wondering if there were additional children.
Thanks again for all you do! This is a great service and I appreciate the time and effort of your volunteers and staff. (if you have any) :D
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Hi
I accidentally came across your message this afternoon - i have only just joined RootsChat. Thomas
(Strickley) was my great-great-great grandfather - my father's great-great maternal grandfather. He lived in Kenilworth, Warwickshire from the end of the 1820's after marrying Fanny? who came from Birmingham. They were a very poor family. I think it may be difficult for me to find out more about Fanny as, at present as I'm having to limit my expenditure (so no Ancestry.com!). He and Fanny had, at least, 8 children. My great -great grandmother was their eldest daughter, Ann, who married James Hope, a woodsman on the Stoneleigh Abbey estate. Thomas Strickley died in Kenilworth in 1877. One of his sons, Richard, having lived 'at the back of Ickneild Street East', Birmingham became? blind and in the 1891 census isis registered as a pauper in the Hatton, Warwick workhouse, where I believe he subsequently died.
The surname is interesting because I knew (I am 77) a family in Kenilworth called Stickley, who my mother confirmed came from Kineton and so I assume that the two families had the same root - Kineton, Butlers Marston and Pillerton Hersey, being so close together (Pillerton Hersey Church is very beautiful, sadly I have always found Butlers Marston church locked whenever I have visited it).
My mother also told me that the Stickley family had gypsy blood and, fascinatingly, my father's family said there was gypsy blood in the Strickley line. Certainly my aunt once told me that Ann, who practiced as a local midwife was once called out one night by travelling gypsies to attend to a young gypsy wife who was giving birth in her caravan. On their return to Kenilworth the following year they took Ann a shawl as a thank you present.
I'm fascinated to see that Thomas's mother was Hannah Chester, can we assume that her father's
bloodline came from Cheshire, I wonder? I most of all enjoy finding which parts of England my family strands link back to.
Thank you for your information. I hope that something here will be of interest to you.
Kindest
Avril
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Is this Thomas and Fanny in 1841 census:
Living in Kenilworth at Castle End:
Thos Strickly 30
Fanny Strickly 30
Ann Strickly 10
Wm Strickly 8
Thos Strickly 6
Ricd Strickly 3
Hanh Strickley 1 all born locally.
If so, this is probably Hannah's birth from GRO, which gives fanny's maiden name:
Hannah Strickley mmn Richardson June quarter 1840 in Warwick Union