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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: emmsthheight on Monday 05 June 17 15:24 BST (UK)
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Hi
While I was in Cumbria my gggrandfather Charles Stickley from Dorset turned up discharged from the army at Carlisle Castle.
Since I've left I've found a marriage with Rootschats help in Carlisle and have church and civil certificaes
Since then I have Mary Stickley aged 18 wife of Charles died Carlisle 1856, also Ellen Stickley aged 12 died Carlisle 1856
Can't find a first marriage to Mary for him. I'm wondering if this or Ellen were his sister.
I'm wondering if any kind soul would look for either church burial. probably RC or cemetery records? Just in year.
Maryd 16th Jan and Ellen9tyh April.
A big ask but I'm a vit far away now and cant find it on the net.
Best wishes
Emms :)
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Ellen may have been born Q3 1843 in Blandford district, mother nee HAWS. (Parents may be Thomas and Mary, married 1840)
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Thank you Goeff
She was in service and most Stickleys are from that area I know this family but not Charles's.
Thinking whether there is another one Charles was born Longcritchel near there but there are loads of others there and many spellings and variations
Best wishes
Emms
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Hi
Had a look today for you just a quick search. The Mary that died in Jan1856 is buried in Carlisle cemetery. She lived in John Street, Botchergate, carlisle. She was buried on 19th Jan. The entry says she was 18 and was a wife ( but not who her husband was) but I've attached the name part of the entry for you to see as there seems a little confusion about her name.( quality not very good as record was faded.)
Ellen was not buried at Carlisle cemetery (ran out of time to look through all the other church records but will look again)
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Wow That's really kind and a real turn up! It looks as if the certificate was right and she was a wife not sister.. My gggrandfather was known as Charles Stickley or Stickley Ingram (Ingham) His later wife was buried in one name with her death registered in the other but this looks as if the other name may be her maiden name. I can't find and English marriage but they used a lot of variations. I wonder if I'll look in Scotland though.
Thank you for the offer to look elsewhere. It's a big job thoughg even at this date so don't feel pressurised. I'm pretty sure Charles second wife it's him and I reckon it is, was RC but possibly not the first and probably not him.
Thank you again.
Best wishes
Emms :)
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Henery? Flenery? Fleming?? Even Menery??
::)
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Henery? Flenery? Fleming?? Even Menery??
::)
Initially I thought it was flenery or flannery but I can see Fleming as well. She was buried in unconsecrated ground. I did have a quick look at one Catholic church that had burials for that year but there was nothing for Ellen. The main church in town St Mary's didn't have records for that year, must be missing or destroyed! There's really only a couple of other churches for burial in town assuming Ellen was buried here. I'm assuming that Ellen lived at the same address?
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Hi
Thank you very much!
Sorry No
Ellen wasn't at the same address She was in service in Abbey street so may or may not be related Shae died of diphtheria aged 11 I think after only four days.
Unconsecrated may have meant non conformist There are RC but also Presbyterian and Methodist links. We may be out of luck. Thank you so much for trying. I can't believe I found these under a year after leaving Carlisle!!
Thank you again.
Emms
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PS
Looking again at the other death Charles is down as present at Mary's death aged 18 at 56 John street a labourer at Holme Head Works. If it's our Charles and I think he must be he was discharged with ill health from Carlisle Castle a few years before having joined up in a Dorset regiment but not having been in service abroad I have his service record and also record in service later in the police in Lancashire.
Best wishes
Emms
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Had another quick look for Ellen's burial record but couldn't find anything. Checked CE churches closest to Abbey Street and also Our Lady and St Josephs ( catholic). There doesn't appear to be any records for St Mary's for that period which is unfortunate.
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Hi
Thank you very much. That's really appreciated.
The Stickleys originated from Dorset. My gggrandfather was demobbed on ill health grounds at Carlisle Castle and married Margarret Mulvihill / Mullvey etc in Carlisle RC a few years later.
They were mostly under the Parish Church with the odd Non Conformist. The branch who were married to my family became RC at some point
Now it looks as if he was married before to a very young bride.
Best wishes
Emms
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Hi agaon
Ive been looking at your kind copy of part of the entry I.ve realised I'm not quite sire what it means. Was the secons name given under the Christian name with Stickley in a second column?
It looked like a surname But maybe I should be looking at Christian names or parents names used as a second name
Thanks
Emms :)
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Hi Emms
I've attempted to clean the pic up a bit. ( sorry took it on my phone). It's in the second column, which gives the full name and the following column gives the person's status. First column is just the number of the entry. It definitely says ? or Stickley, so isn't a forename.
I've included the entry above and below for you to compare.
Julie
Ps could it Fleming?
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Hi Julie :) ;D >:( ;D ;D
I'm really sorry. I've not been on recently as we've had a lot going on. I was convinced I'd replied to your post. I really appreciate your help. Thank you for all the photos
It looks as if this is definitely an earlier wife.
I've never found the marriage but I must have another look with other spellings and in Scotland's people. This has been a mystery so long!
Thank you again!
Merry Christmas
Emms