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Hi everyone.
I posted a photo over the weekend and everyone was so helpful. It was suggested I came here for some help in finding my great great great Grandma. I'm new to this and perhaps Im looking in all the wrong places, but it seems I've hit a brick wall.
Elizabeth Toohey was a British Subject born in America around 1841. I have records of her in the 1881 census. At this time she was living in Bollington, Cheshire.
She had at least 6 children that I know of, born in Bermuda, India, Ireland and England. Her husband Bernard Toohey (sometimes with the spelling Tuohy) was a sergeant with the 39th regiment and so was travelling all over.
Bernard Toohey born around 1836 in Galway, Ireland.
Elizabeth Toohey Born around 1841 - I dont know her maiden name. British subject in America.
I can't find a marriage certificate for them and I'm struggling to find a birth certificate for their son too - John Henry Toohey who was born in Bermuda in 1861. I have found some birth certificates of their other children born in India. I'm guessing the marriage was in Bermuda as Bernard was based there between 1859 and 1864.
Would it have been normal for wives to have traveled on ships with their husbands? It seems that was the case for Elizabeth as she had her children in the places where Bernard was based.
Elizabeth is such a mystery as I cant find any record of her death, birth or marriage. So I'd be so grateful for all your help. As I say I'm new to this so I'm probably not searching as good as I could be.
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To start you off as an NCO he was entitled to take his family. Other Ranks drew lots.
Have you looked in overseas births on FindMyPast.
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Hello
She sounds an interesting lady.
Which child was born in England and when? ** It's possible to search for his or her birth and find out the mothers maiden name.
** From the 1881 census Mary Jane is born Manchester 1866 so could be this birth
Mary Jane Toohey Mar 1866 Salford mothers maiden name Flannagan
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1881 census.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q272-CXF3
Mary jane aged 15.
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There is a baptism 1 Apr 1866
Maria Joanna Toohey filia Bernardi Toohey and Elizabethae (formerly Flanagan)
Born 25 Feb 1866
Barracks
Godparents
Joannes Jefcott
Ellena Bayley
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Do you know where or when her husband died?
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Thanks everyone for your help!
Milliepede, her husband died in 1879 in Bollington, cheshire.
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Thank you so Elizabeth could have remarried and be under a different name after 1881.
I believe son Bernard remained in Lancashire, do you know what happened to the other children?
Just to see if it leads us to Elizabeth later on.
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Her son, John Henry Toohey was living in Manchester from around 1900. The other children I am unsure of.
I actually think her remarrying is a big possibility.
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Possible death for Anna Maria in 1896 Lancashire
Death for Bernard in 1933 Lancashire
These two are on a family tree but no deaths given for Elizabeth or any of the others
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Daughter Elizabeth I believe married Charles H Barnes in 1899, here she is in 1901:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9JV-K27
And I think this is Elizabeth remarried in 1891 with her three India-born children indexed as "Tooley"
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7CRP-53Z
Her remarriage is also on freebmd as Tooley - married William Henry Darbyshire in 1885.
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This fits with the marriage / census found by Jorose, but the name of Elizabeth's father isn't Flanagan :-\
Marriage: 5 Jan 1885 St Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England
William Henry Darbyshire - 31, Labourer, Bachelor, 3 John Wood Street
Elizabeth Tooley - (X), 43, Widow, 3 John Wood Street
Groom's Father: James William Darbyshire, Clerk
Bride's Father: Francis Thomas, (deceased), Book Keeper
Witness: James Kearney; Sarah Kearney
Married by Banns by: R.A. Wood Curate
Register: Marriages 1882 - 1885, Page 220, Entry 439
Source: LDS Film 1786464
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Oh good find with the marriage but I wonder why the fathers name doesn't fit ???
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Thank you so much for your help, I really do appreciate you all spending your time on this!
Elizabeth seems such a mystery! Its such a break through these new details.
The details on the census really do match up with the ages and places of birth, but as you say the father is not Flanagan, I'll have a look at the details I have found already and try to figure this out. The marriage is such a good step forward too.
Thanks so much everyone!
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The 1891 has birthplace for Elizabeth "Fuebee Canada" but looking at it I would suggest "Quebec"
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Do you think William Henry Darbyshire born West Indies is married to someone else by 1911 or is that someone else with the same name.
Marriage Jun 1900 Chorlton to Susannah Taylor
If him it would narrow down a time for when Elizabeth died.
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I think William Henry Darbyshire is married to the Elizabeth we are looking for.
The children's ages match perfectly, as do the birth locations.
Only difference is, in the 1881 census Elizabeth was down as being born in America, not Canada.
The surnames are spelt slightly different, and it seems Fredrick has been mistaken for Frank. Its down as "Frank W" His name was "Fredrick William" so that suggests its the same person to me, just with the mistake in the name.
The daughter Elizabeth would later live in Gorton too, the same place Elizabeth (mother) was living with her new husband. It all seems promising that its the right family.
The baptism you found from 1866 fits perfectly too, I just cant understand why her maiden name is coming up different. Flanagan and Thomas.
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There is a death in Dec 1899 Chorlton for an Elizabeth Darbyshire age 59 which would leave husband free to remarry in 1900 (if indeed that is he, all speculation at this point)
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I see from Bernard Tuohy's service record that prior to serving in Bermuda he was in Canada, and I've found their marriage on 8 June 1858 in Quebec, Saint Patrick.
Unfortunately I lost my reading glasses last week so I'm struggling to read it but I think I can make out Bernard Toohey of the 39th Regiment son of John Toohey & Bridget Flanigan (?), and Elizabeth Flanagan a resident of Quebec and daughter of deceased Francis Flanagan and the late Bridget Methermoth (??). Married in the presence of Bartholomew Kerrigan and Jane Flanagan. All parties signed their names, although the Flanagan girls signed as Flanigan.
For anyone with better eyesight than me (or still in possession of their reading glasses!) its on Anc* in the Drouin Collection.
ADDED: its indexed as Bernard Toohy & Elisabeth Flanagan
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Also found a burial for Francis Flanagan in Notre-Dame, Quebec in 1847. Its written in French but his wife - Elizabeth's mother- appears to be Bridget McDermot.
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All I would add is that his surname is shown as Toohy and that his parents are 'of the County Galway' and that hers are 'of the County Roscommon'.
So at least you know which parts of Ireland both Bernard and Elizabeth families originated.
Annette
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Wow, I honestly can't thank you all enough! What a big help!!! This really is a massive breakthrough. I thought I'd never find anything on Elizabeth Toohey.
So much more information I have now thanks to everyone here.
So much to take in, and lots of new leads.
This means so much :)
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Hi, I have been compiling my family tree and saw your post on Roots Chat, my great Grandfather was John Toohey born in Bermuda 1861, and my great Grandmother was Marie Ann Jean born in Portsea, my Nan was also born in Portsea along with her twin Frances Florence. Bernard was my Nans younger brother.
Barbara from Manchester
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Hi Barbara,
Lovely to hear from you! I have just sent you a message.
Thanks so much for getting in touch.
Catherine.
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Hi Catherine, so lovely to hear from you! I have only been working on my ancestry for two weeks now and used the Chat site for the first time when I messaged you, I am really struggling with the site trying to send private messages so please forgive me being slow to respond to you.
I have got quite a bit of information on both families but nowhere as much as you.
I love the photo of Eileen Florence, she looks very dark, is it just the photo? my mother is so much like her! I have some old photos but only as far back as my Nan and her family, you can have copies but my daughter Chantelle will have to help me out to post them.
I am so happy I found you on Roots, I will keep in touch and if possible send you any information I get.
Barbara
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you must make a couple of posts before you can send someone a private message!!
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you must make a couple of posts before you can send someone a private message!!
Ah that explains it, thank you.
Hi Catherine, so lovely to hear from you! I have only been working on my ancestry for two weeks now and used the Chat site for the first time when I messaged you, I am really struggling with the site trying to send private messages so please forgive me being slow to respond to you.
I have got quite a bit of information on both families but nowhere as much as you.
I love the photo of Eileen Florence, she looks very dark, is it just the photo? my mother is so much like her! I have some old photos but only as far back as my Nan and her family, you can have copies but my daughter Chantelle will have to help me out to post them.
I am so happy I found you on Roots, I will keep in touch and if possible send you any information I get.
Barbara
Hi Barbara ,
I have sent you a message with my email address.
It's amazing that you have been in touch. This forum has been a big help to me :)
Catherine
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I've seen 'America' on census records that turned out to be parts of North of America or the West Indies other than the USA. Canada was sometimes referred to as British America.
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