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Some Special Interests => Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms => Topic started by: Hallibag on Wednesday 07 June 17 15:50 BST (UK)
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Found inside the lid of a beer stein owned by a cavalryman by the name of Pfund, from the Kindom of Wurttemberg, stationed in Ludwigsberg Castle in 1883:
(http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m556/David_Askett/wurt3.jpg)
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Well crossed keys denote St. Peter because he was given the keys to the kingdom of heaven.
The padlock/heart shape below I`m not sure about but the unusual crown reminds me of something.St. Peter was the first Pope.
.I think the Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne , sometime about the ninth century but some Rootschatter may be more accurate.
What is the object it is on, it looks like Pewter.?
Viktoria.
P.S.I did not read the post, now I have one thought I had seems a bit likely and that is The Kingdom of Bavaria. I gave away all my books on Ludwig and his castles but a little bell is ringing
=it is that crown-,the family were Wittelsbachs, a notoriously mentally unstable family.
Sisi, the Empress Elisabeth of Austria and mother of Crown Prince Rupert of Mayerling notoriety wqs Ludwig`s first cousin
How interesting-hope you solve the mystery. Viktoria.
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I wouldn't call this a coat-of-arms, but I know what you meant! ;D
I think a religious order of some sort?
Maybe Trappist beer?! ;D
Looks like an orb at the top.
Then a crown of some description (floral, maybe?).
Then a bunch of keys.
The 2 big crossed keys.
Finally a leather bucket? (not sure on this one! ;D)
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Thank you for your replies. It's a glass beer stein, with a pewter lid that has a ceramic insert. The painting is on the ceramic.
(http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m556/David_Askett/wurt5.jpg)(http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m556/David_Askett/wurt2.jpg)
The crest (or whatever you want to call it) doesn't appear to have anything to do with the cavalryman's regiment, or to Wurttemburg's royal family, or to Ludwigsburg - the city or the castle.
The crest on top is that of Wurttemburg - no mystery there!
I suppose the crown COULD be King of Wurttemberg's? The drawing does look a little like the real thing, though not much:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/be/d0/7d/bed07d9d350da1d6d9dbd2b86bf3a857.jpg)
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Is it just the factory mark?
Skoosh.
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Crossed keys are the symbol of Regensburg.
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THAT is SERIOUS BLING!!!!!
OOOOOH those emeralds.
Yes, Regensburg is in Wurttenburg, on the Danube.Not a million miles from Munich and Nuremburg but a separate kingdom from Bavaria.
St. Peter`s keys are the other way up , but it struck me his symbol was crossed keys.
What an interesting item to own. Thanks for sharing.
Viktoria.
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Steins can be difficult to trace as people, can have them
made as a individual piece.
Is there a stamp on the base of the stein.
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St Peter usually has a key crossed with a sword?
Also, in heraldry, keys are invariably handles down, business part uppermost.
Nearly all popes have had crossed keys in their c-o-a, but one is silver, and the other is gold.
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Try, http://www.steinmarks.co.uk
Skoosh
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Thank you for all the replies. There are no marks on the bottom of the stein at all. I suppose the crest could be a maker's mark, but seems a bit grand to me for this? Will check out steinmarks.co.uk. :)
Dave
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Yes I agree about one silver key and one gold and the handles down"teeth " up for the Papacy etc.
Perhaps because St. Peter cut off the Centurion`s ear his symbol is a key with a sword but do you know I have never seen that.It makes sense though.
Thanks . Viktoria.
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I think, like Skoosh,that it is probably the ceramic makers mark, The stein is glass and the pewter lid with it's ceramic insert could be an added item, not connected to the maker of the glass.
Some ceramic/porcelain manufacturers marks are fairly elaborate.
I wish you luck finding the correct one, here are a few examples;
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k8e/
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It's probably a personalised stein. What it was was detailing the 20th (Wurttemberg) Hussar Regiment of the German/Prussian Army, it says K, Wilh, probably King Wilhelm I of Prussia and Kaiser of Germany, 1 Esk ie 1st Squadron. Date is 1883.
Coat of Arms is not Wurttemberg. Bit more digging to do. Might even find an image of the uniform.
No, it's not Hussars, but Uhlans ie Lancers, goodness knows how. On the stein it looks like maroons!!! So, in 1883 20th (2nd Wurttemberg) Uhlans.
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This is the regiment this cavalrman was with:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_(2nd_W%C3%BCrttemberg)_Uhlans_%22King_William_I%22 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_(2nd_W%C3%BCrttemberg)_Uhlans_%22King_William_I%22)
Uniform would have been very similar to this one, I believe:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2d/ed/a6/2deda643bda01a9a976867811759ba79.jpg)
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Crossed keys are the symbol of Regensburg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4WI0gF-I7Q
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Sorry, Viktoria, but Regensburg is nowhere near Württemberg (which nobody here seems able to spell). It's in the Bezirk [county, more or less] of Oberpfalz and firmly in the middle of Bavaria, though admittedly it was formerly an imperial free city.
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Sorry Hugh, don`t know how to do an umlaut and, slip of the finger twixt m and n.
Why did I think it was----?I know it is near the Bavarian Wald and on the Danube so I can`t think why I would.
Thanks. Viktoria.
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Here's what I did:
I opened a blank file with Word, clicked on Insert - Symbol, and inserted lots of potentially useful accented letters, umlaut letters, and other symbols (including ° which unaccountably is not on an English keyboard). Saved it as a TXT file which I open each morning so that it goes in the system tray (I think that's what the bar at the bottom of the screen is called).
Now I can bring it up when needed, to copy & paste a given symbol into an eMail etc.
By the way, I've noticed how English-speaking people often confuse Berg and Burg, probably because they're pronouncing them both böög. They're both pronounced as spelled (a strange German habit!). Berg means mountain or hill; it's related to our word barrow in the sense of burial mound. Burg means citadel or fortress; its Old English equivalent gave us borough. Admittedly an ancient fortification was usually on a mound, so the word probably has the same origin.
Sorry not to be able to contribute anything on the Wapperl -- not even sure I'd call it a crest, so perhaps "heraldic device" is appropriate.
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Sorry, Viktoria, but Regensburg is nowhere near Württemberg (which nobody here seems able to spell). It's in the Bezirk [county, more or less] of Oberpfalz and firmly in the middle of Bavaria, though admittedly it was formerly an imperial free city.
Pardon me, I did.....tee hee, except u umlaut should be rendered as ue in English.