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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Dorset => Topic started by: KeithTruman on Thursday 08 June 17 11:20 BST (UK)
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Dear all,
You gave me great help a few days ago but now I really am stuck. I am trying to find 2 baptisms in Dorset:
1) Hamilton Fox - I can find him in the 1851 Census in Minterne Magna as a 9 year old, which has him living with his mother Elizabeth aged 33 from Salisbury, Wilts. Says he came from Minterne. Died in Melcolme Horsey 13 June 1857
2) William George Fox. Most Census I can find him in (he's a son of the Elizabeth Fox above) suggest he was born 1858 in Dorchester. In 1861, William by then is living in Lambeth with Elizabeth aged 2 -1861 Census which states he was born in "Erne" in Dorset. Where is his Birth Cert or baptism?
Any help would be much appreciated
Keith
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Could this be him - Hamilton George Fox baptised Yeovil 12 Jan 1842 parents George and Elizabeth.
Sounds right, I remember your other topic - father a basket maker
address Middlemarsh Minterne Magna
Was Elizabeth maiden name Fenton?
I think there was a problem finding the other one William George - hadn't George senior died by then?
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Baptism by WW Robinson
St John Yeovil Somerset
12 Jun 1842
Hamilton George Fox
son of George & Elizabeth
address Middlemarsh Minterne Magna Dorset
father's occ Basket maker
Death reg FreeBMD
Hamilton George Fox
Jun qtr 1858 Dorchester
Burial
Melcombe Horsey Dorset
13 Jun 1857
Hamilton George Fox
age 15
Suz
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I see that Hamilton George Fox, aged 10, was committed to Dorset County Gaol on 4 September 1852 for stealing potatoes. He was released on 2 October.
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Thank you all so much for info so far. Great stuff on Hamilton George Fox and yes, I did think his father was George, a basketmaker too. Its a surprise to see them in Yeovil.
What about William George Fox-anything?
You are all amazing!
Keith
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....one more thing. Yes, Elizabeth was Elizabeth Fenton
Keith
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I think we got stuck on William George - at least I did!
When was Elizabeth widowed? If it was before WG was conceived then he had a different daddy and we might not find who that was.
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I see that George Fox married Elizabeth Fenton at Minterne Magna on 18 Oct 1838 (FS).
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Thanks AVM, yes, I had found that.
I suspect but haven't confirmed it anywwhere but believe that George Ox, William George Fox's father, died 1859/1860
Keith
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Fox not Ox of course
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Thanks AVM, yes, I had found that.
I suspect but haven't confirmed it anywwhere but believe that George Ox, William George Fox's father, died 1859/1860
Keith
Are you sure it is as late as that? Jane (Dec qtr 1850) is the last Fox/Fenton birth registration, and although Elizabeth's marital status in 1851 isn't entirely clear it seems to me it may well be "Wid".
Possible death for George on that basis: Dec qtr 1850 Dorchester, aged 52.
Corresponding burial:
George Fox aged 54 [sic], of Middle-march, Minterne Magna, buried there on 28 Sep 1850.
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Hi avm
Yes, I too have seen the poss George Fox death in 4q 1850. However, I have the Marriage Cert for William G Fox and Jane Buckhurst in 1882 when William G in Bethnal Green said he was 23 years old. He said at that time that his father was George Fox? I agree that whilst 1861 Census states Elizabeth as a Widow, its not clear in the 1851 Census.
Also, where are George Fox and Elizabeth Fenton in 1841, having married in 1841?
Keith
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Agree the status for Elizabeth is unclear in 1851. If I had to guess I would say Married and the single letters on the page are W for widow but most unclear :-\
Does George the husband appear anywhere other than his marriage - are there any children that should be around in 1841 (marriage 1838 gives scope for one or two to have been born)
There is an Eliza Fox 25 on her own in Sherbourne Dorset 1841 Not from County but is that her.
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Hi again,
So, regarding which records does George Fox appear on:
George and Elizabeth seem to have had 4 children:
1 Hamilton Fox 1842, Yeovil, Dorset (died 13 June 1857 in Melcombe-Horsey)
2 Charlotte Fox 1845, Middlemarsh, Dorset
3 Jane Fox* 12th September 1850, Minterne Magna, Dorset
4 William G Fox 1859, Minterne, Dorset
You all have helped me to find the Hamilton Fox Baptism in Yeovil. George was described as a Basketmaker on Hamilton's baptism. The 1851 and 1861 Census tell us more about George's wife Elizabeth and their 4 children:
1851 Census: H0109; Piece: 1858; Folio: 693, Page: 18
Minterne Magna, Dorset
Elizabeth Fox, 33, Salisbury, Wiltshire
Hamilton Fox, 9, Minterne, Dorset
Charlotte Fox, 6, Minterne, Dorset
Jane Fox, 7 months, Minterne, Dorset
1861 Census: RG09; Piece: 354; Folio: 54, Page: 19
28 Union Street, Lambeth, London
Elizabeth Fox, 43, Needlewoman, Salisbury, Wiltshire
Charlotte Fox, 16, House Servant, Middlemarsh, Dorset
Jane Fox, 10, Middlemarsh, Dorset
Wm George Fox, 2, Erne, Dorset (believed to mean Minterne or Cerne Abbas)
Now, I have found Jane Fox's baptism in Minterne Magna in 1850 where George is described once again as a Basket Maker as he was on the Marriage Record in 1838 to Elizabeth Fenton. So, I haven't yet found the baptisms for Charlotte or William George Fox.
So, given William George Fox's baptism hasn't yet be found in 1858/9, what we do know when William George marries in 1882 is that he also states his father as George Fox (a Fancy Box maker).
Questions then:
1. Where are the baptims of Charlotte and William George
2. If we assume George Fox died circa late 1850s/1860 (in 1861, Elizabeth clearly says she was a widow) where is he in 1841, 1851 Census?
Thoughts?
Thank you all
Keith
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Thanks AVM, yes, I had found that.
I suspect but haven't confirmed it anywwhere but believe that George Ox, William George Fox's father, died 1859/1860
Keith
Are you sure it is as late as that? Jane (Dec qtr 1850) is the last Fox/Fenton birth registration, and although Elizabeth's marital status in 1851 isn't entirely clear it seems to me it may well be "Wid".
Possible death for George on that basis: Dec qtr 1850 Dorchester, aged 52.
Corresponding burial:
George Fox aged 54 [sic], of Middle-march, Minterne Magna, buried there on 28 Sep 1850.
On George Fox's marriage record in 1838 he says his father is Jacob. There is a baptism in Wootton Glanville which could be him - 27 Mar 1796 s/o Jacob and Elizabeth. This would match with age at death. Unfortunately marriage record only says he was of full age (i.e. 21 or over). Quite an age difference between him and Elizabeth
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Thanks Lizzie. I agree, the Wooton Glanville baptism in 1796 may very well be the George Fox I am seeking. Maybe George's marriage to Elizabeth Fenton was a 2nd marriage given the age difference?
Keith
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Am baffled as to where they were in 1841, maybe they were hiding under one of G's baskets!
It does look like the death in 1850 is his which means William George came from different stock and why his birth is so elusive, but I guess the only way to be sure is to see if the death gives occupation/details of spouse that match :-\
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Agreed. I need both the 1950 Death Cert for George and also William G Fox Death Certs and maybe there will be some help there
Thanks again
Keith
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Have you checked to see whether George and Elizabeth were with her family (Fentons) in 1841 and the surname mistranscribed. It looks as if her father Samuel died in 1840 and was buried in Minterne Magna, but I can't find her mother's death yet. She had a sister Emma (1824) and brother Herbert (1834) there may be others. Parent Samuel Fenton and Elizabeth Bennet Brown married in Dorchester in 1817, Elizabeth bapt in Salisbury, other siblings in Dorset. Emma was witness at Elizabeth and George's marriage and herself married in 1843 to John Thrush. The Thrushes later moved to London. Herbert Fenton appears on Dorset prison record in 1853. A newspaper report of the incident connects him to the Fox family.
I think Elizabeth's status in 1851 is widow. The image looks like a three letter word ending with "d"
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Samuel Fenton's will is on Ancestry. His wife (Elizabeth Bennet Fenton nee Brown) is mentioned, so she died after him