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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Philezra on Thursday 08 June 17 23:05 BST (UK)
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Hi. I have had a search online to no avail.
She married Samuel Barrow in Deane parish on 28 Sept 1825.
Samuel remarried in the first third of 1841.
If anyone can trace a death for her, I would be very grateful.
Phil
Thank you
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When was their last child born which would help to narrow the search?
When was Mary born?
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Do you have an age/ birth date for Mary? The only ones I can easily see on Lancs P.C,. usually a helpful tool, are a Mary Barrow (44) buried Wigan, not that far away, 1 Nov 1833; and one aged 48 at burial on 26th March 1836, who died at Lancaster Lunatic Asylum.
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Death
Mary Barrow
April qtr 1839
Lancaster
21 363
GRO check gives age as 63
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That sounds helpful, Comberton.
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Hi - Samuel was born in 1803 so I imagine she was of similar age.
Interestingly, he had 3 children with his second wife but (possibly) none with Mary which might suggest she died within a year or two of their marriage???
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Post says she married Samuel Barrow in 1825. If that is her death she would have been around 49.
Samuel married Sarah Gaskell in 1841 and if I have the right 1851 entry - he was born 1804. There is a 12yr old Samuel Barrow shown on that entry which if he was Mary's son would mean she only died between 1838-end of 1840
EDIT - Ignore - he is a nephew
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If it helps
Mary’s surname when she married was Roberts
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I omitted that she was Mary Roberts, sorry.
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Got all excited when I found the death of a Mary Barrow aged 35, buried at St Mary's Church, Deane in Bolton - but realised it was 26th Jan 1843, and her husband's name was George. Sorry. But at least you may eliminate that woman.
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Joseph Barrow
Christening 19 Feb 1837
Bolton-le-Moors, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Samuel Barrow
Mother's Name: Mary Barrow
Burial: 26 Feb 1838 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Joseph Barrow - Son of Samuel Barrow
Age: 14 months
Abode: Great Bolton
Buried by: A Hadfield Offg Minister
Ellen Barrow
Christening 30 Dec 1838
St. Peters, Bolton-le-Moors, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Samuel Barrow
Mother's Name: Mary Barrow
Burial: 3 Aug 1839 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Ellen Barrow - Daughter of Samuel Barrow
Age: 8 months
Abode: Great Bolton
Buried by: P R Robin Curate
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Now I didn't know about these two....!!!!
Thank you very much indeed.
I reiterate that Mary (Roberts) must have died young as there are no other children shown on the 1841 or 1851 censuses - I assume relatives wouldn't have looked after them....
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SORRY, they WERE Mary's children.....!
So we may know a tighter timeline for her death?
Were there children previously??
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There is a Mary Barrow 6/1839, Bury 21, 243 death.....could be this one.
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Joseph Barrow
Christening 19 Feb 1837
Bolton-le-Moors, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Samuel Barrow
Mother's Name: Mary Barrow
Burial: 26 Feb 1838 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Joseph Barrow - Son of Samuel Barrow
Age: 14 months
Abode: Great Bolton
Buried by: A Hadfield Offg Minister
Ellen Barrow
Christening 30 Dec 1838
St. Peters, Bolton-le-Moors, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Samuel Barrow
Mother's Name: Mary Barrow
Burial: 3 Aug 1839 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Ellen Barrow - Daughter of Samuel Barrow
Age: 8 months
Abode: Great Bolton
Buried by: P R Robin Curate
on the baptism of these two father Samuel was a boiler maker so not yours as If I have the right one your Samuel was a Tailor
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Thank you. I did wonder as there are no signs of other children and Ellen isn't in the family.
Mary must have died shortly after marriage??
Are their Bolton burials missing from the online records?
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I assume in his will he would have named his eldest chlidren as the executors. The executors were isaac & Sarah
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I'd also found and assumed the "Samuel Barrow - tailor" was the correct one - think I'd got there from the marriage record.
There were many non-conformist chapels in the Bolton area at the time, and unfortunately not many have records available easily online - I know, because I've been hunting in vain for some of my lot. It could be worth trying to find her that way?
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I have been looking at burials for Bolton St Peter in Bolton library.
Found James, 1 year old son of Samuel 25 June 1826;
Joseph, 1, son of Samuel 6 May 1828.
Also found, online, Ann, daughter of Samuel Barow (one 'r') 1 year old 13 Feb 1831 in Rochdale.
Samuel remarried in Rochdale......
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I have been looking at burials for Bolton St Peter in Bolton library.
Found James, 1 year old son of Samuel 25 June 1826;
Joseph, 1, son of Samuel 6 May 1828.
Also found, online, Ann, daughter of Samuel Barow (one 'r') 1 year old 13 Feb 1831 in Rochdale.
Samuel remarried in Rochdale......
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At
BARROW Samuel GASKELL Sarah Bolton Register Office or Registrar Attended Bolton
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from a tree on ancestry
Marriage to Sarah Gaskell
March 1841 • Independent Chapel Dean Lancashire
widower - tailor witnesses John Gaskell and Hugh Boyle of Stand Lane Pilkington near Trinity Church Great Bolton
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My mistake - thank you for that.
Not sure if the puzzle of Mary's death will be solved. Mind you I got up to 1833 in the burials today - 8 years to go....
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is it possible she would have been buried at the same place as Samuel
Name Samuel Barrow
Birth Date abt 1804
Death Age 65
Death Date 2 Feb 1869
Death Place Bury, Lancashire, England
Burial Date 5 Feb 1869
Burial Place Bury, Lancashire, England
Church Independent Congregational Church, Bury New Road
(from an ancestry tree)
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I didn't think of that. So the burials for Bury would need to be checked.
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or maybe the Independent Chapel in Deane
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In the 1841 census, there is a Samuel Barrow, 35 living in Aston-under-Lyne with Mary 30 plus two children Elizabeth Ann, 12 and Hannah, 9.
1. Samuel remarried so can this possibly be the missing Mary??
2. What happened to the children????
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you said your Samuel married Sarah Gaskell in 1841 (March qtr). The 1841 census was not taken until June so by then he was married to Sarah
This census more likely - living in Prestwich
Name Age
Saml Barrow 37 - draper (as your Samuel previously a tailor)
Sarah Barrow 34
There are several Samuel Barrows of a similar age in Bolton so the occupation is important. The Samuel in the census you quote above is an innkeeper
edit District Prestwich - actual place Pilkington
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Yes I think you have there - thank you for this.
I was assuming the census were always taken in the April.
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Hello,
I am a bit puzzled here. Are you looking for a different Samuel and Mary to your other thread where Samuel was a boiler maker?
Heywood
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Yes. Two different Samuels.
I am trying to ascertain the death of his wife Mary (nee Roberts, married 1825) - he married Sarah Gaskell in 1841.
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The other was married to a Mary as well but she was a Mary Russell (Mary Russell was born Mary Barrow). So two generations difference.
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for reference the other threads
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=684676
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=773746
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in view of where Samuel was living in 1841 could this be Mary's death (sorry I put Prestwich but it was actually Pilkington)
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1839
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At
BARROW Mary 34 Pilkington Bury
freebmd gives Jun qtr
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Yes. Two different Samuels.
I am trying to ascertain the death of his wife Mary (nee Roberts, married 1825) - he married Sarah Gaskell in 1841.
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The other was married to a Mary as well but she was a Mary Russell (Mary Russell was born Mary Barrow). So two generations difference.
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Yes. Two different Samuels.
I am trying to ascertain the death of his wife Mary (nee Roberts, married 1825) - he married Sarah Gaskell in 1841.
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The other was married to a Mary as well but she was a Mary Russell (Mary Russell was born Mary Barrow). So two generations difference.
Thank you.
Wasn't it John Barrow though who married Mary Russell whose mother was Alice Barrow?
I know you wrote that William Russell married Alice Barrow and then their daughter, Mary married John Barrow whose father was Samuel born c 1804, a Boiler Maker.
I was puzzled as there are references to Samuel, a tailor, and Samuel, a boiler maker, earlier in the thread.
Apologies for interfering. ;)
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just to put the 2 together in 1841
Name Age
Samuel Barrow 35 - boilermaker in Ashton u Lyne
Mary Barrow 30
Elizabeth Ann 12
Hannah 9
Name Age
Saml Barrow 37 - draper in Pilkington
1851
Name Age
Samuel Barrow 47 - tailor in Radcliffe
Sarah Barrow 45
Isaac Barrow 8 mmn Gaskell
Sarah Barrow 6
Anna Barrow 4
Samuel Barrow 12
Mary Ainsworth 19
Sarah Barrow 34
Name Age
Samuel Barrow 40 - boilermaker living in Horwich
Mary Barrow 39
Isaac Barrow 10 mmn Williams
Samuel Barrow 3 mmn Williams
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Both of you are marvellous. Interfering??? Can't thank you enough....a million wouldn't be enough!
I will order the death certificate for Mary to hopefully prove one way or another.
I'm sure there will be further queries as I am dealing with the direct Barrow line which seems to be quite prevalent in Bolton in 18th and 19th centuries.
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Do we gave TWO Samuel Barrows - Boilermakers?
There is post from 24 June on the other thread that has Samuel 37 and Mary 35, John 5, Isaac 4 months...
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You are right. That is actually the one which matches the 1851 I posted in that sample. It shows how difficult it is to identify the right one!
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So the Samuel with Mary, Elizabeth and Hannah may be unconnected.....
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I am still puzzled ???
In this thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=773746.0
We have Samuel Barrow married to Mary Williams in Liverpool. They are the parents of John born Birkenhead who married Mary Russell.
They are in Bury in 1841 538/28/15. - all in that thread.
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From what I can glean, we have THREE Samuel Barrow in 1841 census;
Samuel 37 (Boilermaker) and Mary, John and Isaac
Samuel (Draper) 37
Samuel 35 and Mary, Elizabeth and Hannah.
I'm trying to rule out the latter.
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The first one is the one from the previous thread - the child John married Mary Russell.
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Yes. I'm happy with that.
It just seems odd that there are 2 Samuels who are Boilermakers and of very similar but age.....or perhaps it isn't.
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just to put the 2 together in 1841
Name Age
Samuel Barrow 35 - boilermaker in Ashton u Lyne
Mary Barrow 30
Elizabeth Ann 12
Hannah 9
Name Age
Saml Barrow 37 - draper in Pilkington
1851
Name Age
Samuel Barrow 47 - tailor in Radcliffe
Sarah Barrow 45
Isaac Barrow 8 mmn Gaskell
Sarah Barrow 6
Anna Barrow 4
Samuel Barrow 12
Mary Ainsworth 19
Sarah Barrow 34
Name Age
Samuel Barrow 40 - boilermaker living in Horwich
Mary Barrow 39
Isaac Barrow 10 mmn Williams
Samuel Barrow 3 mmn Williams
1841
Samuel Barrow Ashton under Lyne is an Inn Keeper :-\
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One last thing.
I cannot see Sarah 34 listed on the census of Samuel, Tailor 1851.
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Philezra,
Are you happy with the findings? Are all these Samuel Barrows your ancestors?
Heywood
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One last thing.
I cannot see Sarah 34 listed on the census of Samuel, Tailor 1851.
See post #34 by lancsann and quoted by me in #43 but she is 45 yrs
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I am more than happy. You spend so much time and patience, it's incredible.
The reason I asked about Sarah 34 is because there are two notated in lancsann post recently. One being 45, as you say and another which I am thinking is an error (34).
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I think that post is 1841 and then she is 45 in 1851.
Hope everything is now sorted and you can put them all in their little boxes ;)
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Yes. Phenomenal help from you.
Onto the next one....!!!
Thank you again. :D
Phil
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just to put the 2 together in 1841
Name Age
Samuel Barrow 35 - boilermaker in Ashton u Lyne
Mary Barrow 30
Elizabeth Ann 12
Hannah 9
Name Age
Saml Barrow 37 - draper in Pilkington
1851
Name Age
Samuel Barrow 47 - tailor in Radcliffe
Sarah Barrow 45
Isaac Barrow 8 mmn Gaskell
Sarah Barrow 6
Anna Barrow 4
Samuel Barrow 12
Mary Ainsworth 19
Sarah Barrow 34
Name Age
Samuel Barrow 40 - boilermaker living in Horwich
Mary Barrow 39
Isaac Barrow 10 mmn Williams
Samuel Barrow 3 mmn Williams
1841
Samuel Barrow Ashton under Lyne is an Inn Keeper :-\
You are right. Getting myself confused now!
also I missed of the 2nd Samuel 1841 should have been
Name Age
Saml Barrow 37
Sarah Barrow 34
and this one was the boilermaker in 1841
Name Age
Samuel Barrow 37
Mary Barrow 35
John Barrow 5 10 Mo
Isaac Barrow 4 Mo
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:) a very big thanks to you for all your help.
I hope my next query (whatever that may be) won't frighten you both off!!
Phil
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no won't be frightened off. I love a challenge and my own research has mainly reached a sticking point