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William married Catherine Nimmo in Syd in 1882.( no record on marriage cert of parents & just states Ireland as birthplace). He was listed as a Cab proprietor on a child's birth cert,later as Publican of Yorkshire Stingo Hotel. Died 2nd March 1921 Sydney. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Where did you get his approximate birth year of 1855 from?
Are there any parent's names or place of birth in Ireland given on his d/c?
There are a couple of William Walsh convicts into NSW but dates don't tally. Have you checked arrivals into other States as well as NSW?
Do you know much about Catherine?
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Death notice for William WALSH in 1921, in his 67th year
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15933107
and funeral notices
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15933075
There are quite a few mentions of William in relation to licencing on Trove. Also possible that he ran the Miners Arms Hotel in Haymarket around 1887
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article115450118
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If (yet to be proved!) it is the same William WALSH running the Miners Arms, this indicates he was first in New Zealand.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article111315234
Edited to add: Possibly not, I don't think this birth of a son in August 1882 fits with your family?
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article70990011
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He was born around 1855 as trove article gives his death as in his 67 th year. I have no clue as to his arrival or parents names. There are half a dozen death certs for 1921 but unsure which is his as haven't located a death index I only have a date. The one that appears to be him doesn't have parents names ,it just says Sydney instead.
I have full records of Catherine but not her death cert either . Catherine Lang Nimmo b.scotland 1857
Arrived Tasmania 1860 married 1882 dies 1931.
They are both buried at Waverley cemetery Sydney.
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Thanks Maddy I have a record of the miners arms & a licence in 1889 I just can't seem to find an arrival or any record of him pre his marriage to Catherine.
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Hi Maddys I just saw your mention on New Zealand which could be a great new lead
Thankyou
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Hi Maddys I just saw your mention on New Zealand which could be a great new lead
Thankyou
Actually, just ignore it! I think William WALSH who ran the Miners Arms was from New Zealand and married Ann Agnes MURPHY there in 1873. The child mentioned in birth notice in Sydney in 1882 is their's and later mention on Trove of Mrs Walsh's (of the Miners ARms) father as Peter MURPHY. So I'm sorry, not your William WALSH. :-[
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I had a govt licence record for the miners arms but William & wife Catherine both definitely ran the
Yorkshire Stingo in castlreagh st
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There are half a dozen death certs for 1921 but unsure which is his as haven't located a death index I only have a date. The one that appears to be him doesn't have parents names ,it just says Sydney instead.
The NSW BDM Index has 4 entries for a William WALSH death in 1912. The one with no parents mentioned says "55 years Sydney" which usually indicates aged 55, died at Sydney - so unlikely to be yours. One is at Broken Hill and the other at Gundagai, so also not yours. The remaining death at Redfern (which seems quite likely given the Hotel was at the Haymarket) has parents Matthew and Margaret (3721/1912). I think if you can, you should order a copy of this death cert (transcriptions are just as good and cheaper).
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Thanks maddys but the death year on his tombstone & trove death notices was 1921 not 1912 or did u just do a typo? But I will order the blank that says 66 years as the age seems to fit
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Sorry, I don't know what I was thinking! Yes you're right, must have typed in the wrong year, my apologies. :-[
I see now the correct entry, yes 288/1921. Probably worth ordering, though as you say it looks from the index that the informant didn't know many details.
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Many thanks though,he's a tricky one to track
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NSW BDM marriage
336 / 1882 NIMMO Kate m. WALSH William @ Sydney
What you have is possibly the civil registration of the marriage. It would be incompletely transcribed from the church original. If you can locate the church original it would have the details that were not transcribed to the civil register eg parents' names etc.
Can you please list all the information on the certificate that you have.
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15 th feb 1882
William Walsh bachelor
Kate Nimmo spinster
Married :168 crown st Sydney according to the rites of the Presbyterian church
Usual place of residence 168 Crown st
Occupation of groom coachman
Before minister Robert Hill
Witnesses Maude mills,JohnDareleigh no 336/1882
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An informative thread started by JM who is a wonderful source of information for all things New South Wales. She is on holidays at the moment. :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=546609.0
The task of reconciling the Church Records for marriages between 1856 and 1895 was never finalised. Some of the Registry's marriage records from these years still have missing information....."
Perhaps the thread may receive more attention on the Australian Board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,165.0.html
I think this info is also relevant
It was not until 1896 that it became compulsory for the age, birthplace and parentage of marriage parties to be provided for civil registration. The Registry attempted to capture the missing data from church records in the early 1900s, annotating Registry records appropriately, but many such records still have these columns blank. Church records, on the other hand, often record them. Baptisms and burial records do not provide the same scope for extra information, but researchers should always locate any relevant church registers event to ensure information recorded at the time has not been omitted from or incorrectly transcribed to the civil records.
I have a resource which may have the location of archived Sydney Presbyterian parish records.
Cando
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"..He was listed as a Cab proprietor on a child's birth cert"
Can you please list all the information on this birth certificate. Is it this certificate that gives a birthplace for William?
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A William Walsh born about 1855 arrived in Sydney on 27 Aug 1877 on the Samuel Plimsoll ship. I dont have a full sub to Anc Australia to look further. May be a long shot but date wise is possible.
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Myra Katherine Walsh born 25th nov 1893 .
Father William Walsh,Cab proprietor aged about 38 from Ireland.
5 siblings 2 deceased.
Mother Catherine Laing Nimmo born Glasgow aged 36.
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Thankyou Cando
I guess as it was a marriage at home I will need to track the parish of the clergy who performed the
Ceremony?
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There was one sibling Margaret Mary Walsh born in Hobart 24 th Nov 1888
Father William Walsh listed as Cab proprietor.
Her mother Catherine Nimmo was from Hobart.All other siblings were born in Sydney.
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Hi All, found this,,
Marriages.
On February 15, at Sydney , by the Rev. Dr. Steele, William Walsh, to Catherine eldest daughter of William Nimmo, Sandy Bay Tasmania.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9006434?searchTerm=walsh%20-%20nimmo&searchLimits=l-decade=188|||l-year=1882
Her parent's deaths
NIMMO -On September 24 1902, at Duke street, Sandy Bay, William the dearly beloved husband of Mary Nimmo, aged 67
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9588712?searchTerm=william%20nimmo&searchLimits=l-state=Tasmania
NIMMO.—On August 25, 1911, at No. 3 Fitzroy- place, Hobart, Mary, relict of the late William Nimmo (Sandy Bay), aged 73 years. Private interment, Queenborough Cemetery,
regards Val
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From your reply #18, can you please give all the details......should have place of birth, name of informant.
age about 36? Is this exactly as written?
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Hi Wivenhoe
Place of birth is 3 Arthur street Surry hills,informant mother Catherine Laing Walsh
Fathers name,occupation,age,birthplace
William Walsh
Cab proprietor
About 38 years
Ireland
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Thank you for the information on the birth record. It is useful to know that William's birthplace is not given by himself. Another person is identifying his birthplace.
If William is the informant on a birth certificate, he would be identifying his own birthplace. It does not make it incorrect, but worth noting....and when Catherine does not seem to be sure of his age.
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Thanks Wivenhoe,
That's a handy tip to remember. Margaret's birth has Catherine as informant again maybe I need to check the other siblings birth certs & hope William is an informant on one.
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15 th feb 1882
William Walsh bachelor
Kate Nimmo spinster
Married :168 crown st Sydney according to the rites of the Presbyterian church
Usual place of residence 168 Crown st
Occupation of groom coachman
Before minister Robert Hill
Witnesses Maude mills,JohnDareleigh no 336/1882
A William Walsh born about 1855 arrived in Sydney on 27 Aug 1877 on the Samuel Plimsoll ship.
This William was aged 22, a Groom from Cork in Ireland. Father Thomas WALSH, Cork.
Note that the passengers on this voyage only have the county of origin listed so for this William it is likely to be County Cork, not Cork city.
Debra :)
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There are half a dozen death certs for 1921 but unsure which is his as haven't located a death index I only have a date.
Just choose 'no' for date of event range, and then put the death date into the search box.
https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/deaths
Debra :)
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Hello Debra,
That lead is amazing as I recently found that that the 2 deceased males born 1833 were I believe twin boys Thomas & William.
Thankyou soooo much :) :) :) :) :) :)
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And thankyou for the tip on the death cert the one that appeared is the one I thankfully ordered
Cheers
Kat
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Her death registration has her parents as John and Mary:
6159/1931 Catherine Walsh parents John and Mary SUTHERLAND.
Jamjar
Hi All, found this,,
Marriages.
On February 15, at Sydney , by the Rev. Dr. Steele, William Walsh, to Catherine eldest daughter of William Nimmo, Sandy Bay Tasmania.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9006434?searchTerm=walsh%20-%20nimmo&searchLimits=l-decade=188|||l-year=1882
Her parent's deaths
NIMMO -On September 24 1902, at Duke street, Sandy Bay, William the dearly beloved husband of Mary Nimmo, aged 67
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9588712?searchTerm=william%20nimmo&searchLimits=l-state=Tasmania
NIMMO.—On August 25, 1911, at No. 3 Fitzroy- place, Hobart, Mary, relict of the late William Nimmo (Sandy Bay), aged 73 years. Private interment, Queenborough Cemetery,
regards Val
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Interesting they married Presbyterian, yet are buried Catholic
Waverely - Catholic Section 11 Select Row 34 Grave 786
William Walsh 2 March 1921 age 66
Catherine Laing Walsh 10 June 1931 age 74
Inscriptions: Father; Wife of above (inscription on footstone - Dad & Mum.
Jamjar
15 th feb 1882
William Walsh bachelor
Kate Nimmo spinster
Married :168 crown st Sydney according to the rites of the Presbyterian church
Usual place of residence 168 Crown st
Occupation of groom coachman
Before minister Robert Hill
Witnesses Maude mills,JohnDareleigh no 336/1882
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Thomas and William S are on NSWBDM as births 1883 and 1884.
I don't know if you have death information for son Reginald, but as I am currently looking at the Waverley disc I type up his details.
Reginald Phillip Walsh 18 Nov 1924 39
Reginald W Walsh 17 Dec 1946 32 - Husb of Mary Walsh, Son of above
Mary Ann Jane Walsh 14 May 1966 52 - Wife of Reginald William Walsh
Lillian Granville Walsh 20 Feb 1969 89 - Wife of Reginald Phillip
Catholic Section 14 Special East Row 2 Grave 1464, 1465
Jamjar
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Daughter Mary and husband Henry Edward Podger are at Woronora Cemetery:
Mary Podger
12/05/1978
Ashes
Wall Of Memories - Panel 21 - Jj - 1452
Henry Edward Podger
28/06/1963
Ashes Wall Of Memories - Panel 21 - Jj - 1451
Daughter Myra is at Eastern Suburbs Cemetery, buried with a Catherine Agnes:
Myra Catherine Barrett
27/01/1941
Burial
RCCC - Roman Catholic FM CC, Position 502
Catherine Agnes Barrett
29/01/1946
Burial
RCCC - Roman Catholic FM CC, Position 502
Jamjar
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Thanks Jamjar
I received the death cert & is def my William . Dundees lead for arrival of William 1877 on the Samuel Plimsoll ship aged 22,seems to fit perfectly.Died age 66, about 45 years in NSW from County Cork Ireland,groom.
There were 8 children,the first 2 deceased sons William & Thomas 1883were not mentioned.
Catherine Nimmos family were Presbyterian which explains the civil wedding ceremony & their children were raised Catholic.
Now to finding Williams parents in County Cork Thomas & ?
Many thanks for everyone's help.greatly appreciated.
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Their son William is alive at the time of his father's death. I believe it is Thomas and Johns S who died in infancy.
Jamjar
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Son William's death:
17846/1944 William Stewart Walsh parents William and Catherine Laing LIVERPOOL
Funeral notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17917267
At Macquarie Park Cemetery: William Stewart Walsh 11/08/1944 CATHOLIC MONUMENTAL, M4, Grave 0043
Jamjar
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That's intriguing I don't know of a John S ? Do you have a record?.the 2 deceased males were listed on their sisters birth cert
In 1893. I found 2 deceased boys to William & Kate ,Thomas & William in 1883 & there was another William Stewart born the following year1884-1944
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Birth Index number 13565 for William Walsh 1883
Now I'm intrigued :)
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This William was actually born in Braidwood so Thankyou now I need to figure out the 2nd deceased male before Myra birth in 1893. Thomas is definitely one of them the other am 😐
Many thanks
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On myras birth cert it has 2 males 1 female living,2 males deceased 1893
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Birth: 3195/1887 John S Walsh parents William and Kate SYDNEY
Death: 376/1888 John S Walsh parents William and Kate SYDNEY
J.
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I can't thankyou enough.
You are a whiz :) :) :)
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Daughter Alice death: 1220/1930 Alice Howarth parents William and Catherine L CANTERBURY
Marriage: 9219/1922 Leslie H Howarth and Alice Walsh SYDNEY
Funeral notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16627896
At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:
Alice Howarth
24/02/1930
Burial
RCC - Roman Catholic FM C, Position 88
Leslie Harrex Howarth
16/04/1974
Burial
RCC - Roman Catholic FM C, Position 89
Leslie William Howarth
24/09/1941
Burial
RCC - Roman Catholic FM C, Position 88
Alma Veronica Howarth
12/01/1978
Burial
RCC - Roman Catholic FM C, Position 89
Jamjar
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Daughter Margaret Mary Bones, death:
20429/1966 Margaret Mary Bones parents William and Catherine RYDE
BONES Margaret Mary Death notice 5-6-1966 Death Sydney Morning Herald 8-6-1966
I can't find where she is buried.
Jamjar
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Thanks Jamjar
I received the death cert & is def my William . Dundees lead for arrival of William 1877 on the Samuel Plimsoll ship aged 22,seems to fit perfectly.Died age 66, about 45 years in NSW from County Cork Ireland,groom.
There were 8 children,the first 2 deceased sons William & Thomas 1883were not mentioned.
Catherine Nimmos family were Presbyterian which explains the civil wedding ceremony & their children were raised Catholic.
Now to finding Williams parents in County Cork Thomas & ?
Many thanks for everyone's help.greatly appreciated.
When trying to locate Williams origins possibly Co Cork Irl keep in mind his childrens names. There was a naming pattern in Ireland which sometimes people adhered to when naming their children.Had a quick look at Baptisms (no Civil until 1864) came across a William Walsh baptised in 1855 in Killeagh Co Cork with parents Thomas Walsh & Margaret Gruddy
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I was the first to suggest the 1877 lead on the Samuel Plimsoll ship but Dundee had the full details as I did not have a full Aussie Anc sub. Looks very likely though to be the same man.
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From reply#34, death certificate, William WALSH, can you please list all the information on this document.
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A William Walsh born about 1855 arrived in Sydney on 27 Aug 1877 on the Samuel Plimsoll ship. I dont have a full sub to Anc Australia to look further. May be a long shot but date wise is possible.
May I gently mention that it is not necessary to have any subscription to Ancestry, or to Ancestry Australia to access the Samuel Plimsoll passenger list, or the passenger list of many of the ships that brought Immigrants to New South Wales back in the 1800s. Ancestry and other commercial family history websites have partnership arrangements with the NSW State Archives and so those with subscriptions to Ancestry and similar websites effectively pay to view images. On the other hand, NSW State Archives have their own website, and they provide digitised images of the passenger lists at their own website. At present, no fees are needed to access the NSW State Archives online digitised images of these passenger lists.
:) Here is the direct link if you know the name of the ship https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/assisted-immigrants-digital-shipping-lists#the-list-of-ships
:) Here is the direct link to the guide https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/immigration-shipping-guide
:) Here is the direct link to the keyword search option
http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/keyname.aspx
:) Here is a direct link to mariners and ships in Australian waters
http://marinersandships.com.au/
:) Here is the main link to NSW State Archives
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/
And here is the RChat link to NSW Resources :D :D :D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.0
JM