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Title: Bog Soldier WW2
Post by: healyjfch on Sunday 18 June 17 16:02 BST (UK)

Were Bog Soldiers military or civil ? Were bog soldiers part of a regiment ?
He came from Co Galway to Co Tipperary and worked in the bog cutting turf.
During WW2 fuel was in short supply.




Title: Re: Bog Soldier WW2
Post by: jim1 on Sunday 18 June 17 16:15 BST (UK)
There was no such Military title as Bog Soldier.
It's possible this is the Irish equivalent to a Bevan Boy.
These were young men of military age who were prevented from joining because they were needed to work the mines.
Title: Re: Bog Soldier WW2
Post by: eadaoin on Sunday 18 June 17 16:26 BST (UK)
could it be a typo/transcription error for "Boy" soldier?

My mother's family had a Boy soldier - he was at a school for sons of soldiers, and he joined the army aged 14 in about 1916. I understand they weren't sent to the front until 16.

though, from what you say about turf-cutting, BOG sounds more likely . .
Title: Re: Bog Soldier WW2
Post by: jim1 on Sunday 18 June 17 16:55 BST (UK)
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I understand they weren't sent to the front until 16
Overseas service started at age 19 in WW1.
WW2 had Cadets but they were not part of the Regular Army.
Title: Re: Bog Soldier WW2
Post by: tonepad on Sunday 18 June 17 17:04 BST (UK)
The song Peat Bog Soldiers recorded by The Dubliners and others is German in origin (Die Moorsoldaten) and is linked to prisoners in Nazi moorland labour camps in Lower Saxony:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peat_Bog_Soldiers
Title: Re: Bog Soldier WW2
Post by: eadaoin on Sunday 18 June 17 17:12 BST (UK)
The song Peat Bog Soldiers recorded by The Dubliners and others is German in origin (Die Moorsoldaten) and is linked to prisoners in Nazi moorland labour camps in Lower Saxony:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peat_Bog_Soldiers

I loved that song - had it on a very old E.P. Ian Campbell Group
with "We will Overcome" and "Viva la Quince Brigada" and others

(a relic of the folk enthusiasm of the 1960s)
Title: Re: Bog Soldier WW2
Post by: healyjfch on Monday 19 June 17 08:11 BST (UK)
He was born in 1920. Too old for Boy soldier. I'm now thinking that Bog soldier was a local name for men employed during the war to work at turf cutting.
Title: Re: Bog Soldier WW2
Post by: Chilternbirder on Monday 19 June 17 10:54 BST (UK)
Was the term learned from family oral history or do you have a document.?
Title: Re: Bog Soldier WW2
Post by: conahy calling on Monday 19 June 17 12:02 BST (UK)
http://www.heartland.ie/articles/early-days-kildare-scheme-and-turf-camps Broken link.
Try-
https://www.bordnamonalivinghistory.ie/article-detail/early-days-the-kildare-scheme-and-the-turf-camps/

This link may be of interest although it refers to Co Kildare.
Title: Re: Bog Soldier WW2
Post by: Blue70 on Friday 23 June 17 13:50 BST (UK)
Southern Ireland was neutral in WW2 this period was known as "The Emergency":-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland))



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Title: Re: Bog Soldier WW2
Post by: Guyana on Thursday 29 June 17 23:37 BST (UK)
He was born in 1920. Too old for Boy soldier. I'm now thinking that Bog soldier was a local name for men employed during the war to work at turf cutting.
Not too old, There were still Boy Service units in the British Army into the 1950s. I recall visiting one, at Beachley, near Chepstow, in 1953.