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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: paul_mc on Tuesday 20 June 17 12:37 BST (UK)
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Looking for some assistance
Trying to track down Cullens of Armagh
Owen Cullen (1825 - 1905) and wife Margaret Quin (1831 - 1909)
Had several children
Anne b 1854
John Henry b 1856
Dennis b 1858
Peter b 1860
Elizabeth b 1865
Patrick b 1865
Eugene b 1867 - Married Alice Hamill and had 2 daughters Mary and Annie - Nothing else known about them except they were both school teachers and lived in Diviny,Breagh,Armagh. I believe the rest of the children either died or emigrated to USA as when Owen (the father) died everything was left to Eugene - which makes me think he was the only one left in Ireland - I might be wrong
Joseph b 1869
Annie b 1872
Peter b 1873
Owen b 1874
Michael b 1875
Francis b 1871 - I believe he went to live in New York, USA but have no evidence that this is actually true.
I've attached a photograph or Eugene and Alice
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Here's Dennis:
Name Dennis Q. Cullen
Event Date 16 Dec 1935
Event Place Galesburg, Knox, Illinois
Gender Male
Race white
Age 77
Birth Year (Estimated) 1858
Birth Date 09 Apr 1858
Birthplace Co. Armagh, Ireland
Father's Name Owen Cullen
Father's Birthplace Co. Armagh, Ireland
Mother's Name Margaret Quinn
Mother's Birthplace Co.Armagh, Ireland
Occupation Retired Merchant
Residence Place Galesburg, Knox, Illinois
Spouse's Name Mary Freeman
Burial Date 19 Dec 1935
Burial Place Galesburg, Knox, Ills.
Cemetery St. Joseph
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And Dennis' marriage:
Name Dennis Cullen
Spouse's Name Mary Freeman
Event Date 15 Jun 1896
Event Place Galesburg, Knox, Illinois
Father's Name Owen Cullen
Mother's Name Margaret Quinn
Spouse's Father's Name Thomas Freeman
Spouse's Mother's Name Bridget Morrsissey
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Francis' birth in 1871:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03277/2200619.pdf
Puts the family in Tullygarron.
Peter died in 1950 in Colorado:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:385M-HR8
The tree above has dates and places for several of the children.
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If you go to the following site, you can view Owen Cullen's Will:
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-will-calendars
Title : Date of Death : 27 November 1905
Surname : Cullen Date of Grant : 19 January 1906
Forename : Owen Reseal Date :
Registry : Armagh Effects : Effects £172
Open Image in a new window Image
Full Abstract :
Probate of the Will of Owen Cullen late of Tullygarron County Armagh Farmer who died 27 November 1905 granted at Armagh to Eugene Cullen National School Teacher.
Click on "image" and you can view the full handwritten will.
You can also view his Full Death Certificate on line at: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/
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Here's also a Grave Inscription,Could this be a relative ?
Surname(s) Graveyard Civil Parish Graveyard Location County
CULLEN St Patrick's Cathedral Armagh Armagh Armagh
Gravestone Inscription Here lieth the body of Owen Cullen who dd July ye 13th 1747 aged 75 y.
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Image..
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Eugene... http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Breagh/Diviny/301482/
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Marriage results for Eugene Cullen from 1886 to 1889
No results found. irishgenealogy
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Marriage
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A few corrections-
I believe the rest of the children either died or emigrated to USA as when Owen (the father) died everything was left to Eugene - which makes me think he was the only one left in Ireland - I might be wrong
Owen did NOT leave everything to his son Eugene- his will mentioned wife Margaret, sons Frank and Peter, daughter Annie McGilly, 'remaining sons.' Son Eugene applied for probate of the Will.
Probate of the Will of Owen Cullen late of Tullygarron County Armagh Farmer who died 27 November 1905 granted at Armagh to Eugene Cullen National School Teacher.
Click on "image" and you can view the full handwritten will.
What survives is a COPY of the Will written into the Will Book.
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Source https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10504/5825640.pdf
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Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 27 Oct 1896
Groom Name Eugene CULLEN
Bride Name Alice HAMILL
Church Loughgall Roman Catholic Church
Parish Loughgall
Civil District Armagh
County Armagh
Registration number Forename of child Surname of child Date of birth Sex of child
U/1897/177/1021/17/362 Mary Cullen 1st September 1897 Female Hamill Lurgan
U/1901/177/1021/18/330 Anna Cullen 30th July 1901 Female Hamill Lurgan
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Church Registers... http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0227
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Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 8 Oct 1882
Groom Name James MCGILLY
Bride Name Annie CULLEN
Church Tartaraghan Roman Catholic Church
Parish Tartaraghan
Civil District Lurgan
County Armagh
U/1883/12/1002/11/182 Francis McGilly 1st August 1883 Male Cullen Armagh
U/1885/12/1002/13/45 Mary McGilly 30th September 1885 Female Cullen Armagh
U/1887/12/1002/14/69 James McGilly 26th June 1887 Male Cullen Armagh
U/1889/12/1002/14/344 Bernard McGilly 4th June 1889 Male Cullen Armagh)
U/1891/12/1002/15/126 Eugene McGilly 12th May 1891 Male Cullen Armagh
U/1894/12/1002/15/472 Annie McGilly 18th December 1893 Female Cullen Armagh
U/1895/12/1002/16/200 Margaret McGilly 2nd September 1895 Female Cullen Armagh
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Francis
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Grange/Tullygarron/1012818/
death of Margaret 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05473/4531754.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Grange/Tullygarran/321315/
married Lizzie Mallon 1901
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10297/5748234.pdf
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Marriage of James McGilly & Anne Cullen-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10982/8014787.pdf
James McGilly died 1910 Teagny-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05422/4515315.pdf
Francis (1883 Teagny)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02727/2002867.pdf
Mary Elizabeth (1885 Eglish-died 1887?)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02628/1969370.pdf
James Patrick (1887 Eglish)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02552/1944013.pdf
Bernard (1889 Eglish)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02477/1919360.pdf
Eugene (1891 Eglish- father railway porter)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02392/1891921.pdf
Margaret Rose (1895 Eglish)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02197/1830329.pdf
Annie Maria (1898 Eglish)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02275/1854309.pdf
McGilly family in 1901- wife Anne is teacher
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Annaghmore/Clonmacash/1015370
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you did'nt list a second Joseph born 1877
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03001/2099673.pdf
he appears to be this man married to Mary Corr
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10333/5761882.pdf
son Eugene born Dec 1900
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01978/1762194.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Mountjoy/Derrytresk/1737061/
son Eugene with his Uncle Eugene 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Breagh/Diviny/1031039/
2nd marriage to Annie O'Hagan 1902
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10267/5736565.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Mountjoy/Derrytresk/865928/
edited to add
first wife Minnie died Childbirth 1900
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05748/4623261.pdf
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note above son Joseph Stanislaus
A Joseph Stanislaus Cullen of Carland,Dungannon,Tyrone a costing clarke died Nov 1947 at Shelbourne Hostel,Coventry,England. Administration (limited) 16th Feb 1948 Londonderry to Joseph Cullen retired school teacher.
from P R O N I wills calendar
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This tree says Eugene Cullen 1867 to 1954
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:385M-HR8
however A Eugene Cullen retired school teacher of Ridgway Park,Portadown died Nov 1948 Probate 1949 to Mary Loretta Marlay ,married woman
birth of Eugene's daughter Mary 1897
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02121/1806619.pdf
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The Elizabeth Cullen on that tree died 1918 appears to be the wife of Francis
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05174/4427587.pdf
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John Henry Cullen and Margaret McHenry marriage circa 1879
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/The_Fair_Head/Twenty_Acres/922191/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballycastle/Ann_Street/112546/
their son
John Henry born 1880
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02888/2058182.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Galbally/Galbally/1506375/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Lattin/Kilross/831038/
married Johanna Reilly in Mitchelstown 1916
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09789/5553783.pdf
possibly this lady
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Galbally/Lissard/635009/
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Everyone,
This is outstanding, thank you all so much. I'm just putting it all together on my tree, so I can make sense of it all, as this was one BIG family.
Thank you all once again - if anyone finds out anything else please ad it - Although so far you have manage to cover a lot of generations!
P
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interesting late birth registration made in 1944 by a Mary T Moran stating that she was a half sister to Maurice Owen Cullen born 9/5/1896 son of Denis Quinn Cullen and Mary Agnes Freeman,says that she was 12 yrs old when Maurice was born and is now 57yrs old in 1944
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS3H-3S4Q-L?i=1332&cc=2527591
possible marriage for him 1924 to Ruth Irene Warfield
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK92-1NDQ
Denis Quinn Cullen and family 1900
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSW5-SVV
i woud take it from the above census as Denis married Mary Freeman in 1896 that all the children older than Morris/Maurice are from a different marriage and the 14 yr old Mary is probably Mary T Moran or Mary F Moran
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The half sister is Mary Mower not Moran with a mother Susan
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=38591267
edited to add
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WQL-2ZH
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=95101900
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think the mothers name is Susan Kelly
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XJHX-RGJ
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=138623086
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=103878660
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Thanks again - This has been invaluable help !!
Sometimes I on't know how you guys figure all this stuff out!!
But thanks for taking an interest an helping
P
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I was hoping for some more help on the same subject
On my tree I only have Mary Quin and William Mulholland with one child.
Mary Ann Mulholland. (My great great grandmother)
As William and Mary were married in Loughgall, Armagh, Northern Ireland in 1853 and Mary Ann wasn't born until 1861 - This has got me thinking about the possibility of more children - I've check the Irish Census from early to mid 1800's but no mulhollands listed - there are a few in 1901 but too much of a time fame missing for me to connect any potential descendants.
Any thoughts
P
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I've check the Irish Census from early to mid 1800's but no mulhollands listed
The first complete census is 1901- only small fragments of earlier ones for a few areas survive- so not sure what you checked
You haven't mentioned religion but if they were Catholic then parish registers for the mid-1800s might be online or available elsewhere.
http://registers.nli.ie/
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I have been trying to reach the person who was seeking information on the above Cullen from Tullygarron.
Frank Cullen (Son) moved from Tullygarron to Ballinagallia in Armagh, married and had a Family. My Father Tommy acquired the Family Farm and had 5 children. I reside in Melbourne AUSTRALIA, all my Father's Brothers moved to the USA leaving him and a Sister Margaret in Ireland. My Uncle Owen helped establish the Clancy Cullen business in New York which is still trading. I hope this assists in some small way.
Message from new member Tom, who I am helping to reply to this topic
Regards
Sarah
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Thank you Sarah
Can you have Tom get in touch with me
Paul :)
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Hi Paul,
I have helped Tom activate his profile so he should reply back to the topic soon.
Regards
Sarah
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My Grandfather Frank was born in Tullygarron and moved to a farm in Ballinagallia Armagh. His Father was Owen from Tullygarron who may be the person whom you are seeking.
Please do not hesitate to contact should you wish to explore further.
Thank you
TOM CULLEN
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I'm new to genealogy and new to this forum, but joined based on a Google search that turned up Cullens of Armagh. My grandmother's father was Dennis Quinn Cullen and her mother was Susan Ann Kelly Cullen, Dennis' first wife. My grandmother's name was Mary Frances Cullen Mower. We really have no information on Susan Ann Kelly Cullen, except that we know she died in 1895, when our grandmother was young and we know Dennis was re-married to Mary Freeman. We know they had 2 children, only one of whom I knew. Her name was Anna Cullen Hagan. Based on my read of this string, it sounds like the best way to trace Susan Kelly's roots is to check Catholic parish registers. I followed the link below and was a little overwhelmed. How do you determine which parish to check? Or, do you just start with the county and go through the parishes one by one? Thanks for any help!
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Hello cmower
I probably have all the answers you are looking for already.
All of the people you mention above are already on my tree including Susan Ann Kelly Cullen
Paul
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That seems amazing. I haven't been able to find anything on her, but after doing some research today, started thinking that even though she seems to have been born in Ireland, maybe her family originated in Scotland. Of course, I'm just jumping to conclusions. It's too early in my search to know anything. Would you be willing to share any information on her and her past?
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of course I would. That's why we are all here.
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The father was Roger Cullen who married Catherine Clark in Armagh City, 4th April 1819. Their wedding was witnessed by Matthew Malloy and Peter Cullin. They went on to have Five children that I have found.
Margaret, 17th November 1819. (Catherine was therefore pregnant when she married Roger)
James, 22nd December 1822
Owen , 29th May 1825
Denis, 9th August 1828
Jane, 24th April 1832.
Roger died 14th March 1868 at Tullygarron, Armagh. He was a widower, and a Farmer. He died from cancer of the foot which he had for 13 years. Margaret Cullen was present at his death.
Jane Cullen married Peter Quin on the 17th January 1850 in Armagh. They had seven children. Their first child was born two months later. The fourth child was Mary Jane born 20th August 1859 who married John McElmeel in Armagh in 14 th February 1887. She is my great gran mother.
Is this the same family?
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Yes, this is definitely the same family. My records were given to me and I have yet to verify all this information, but I show the following:
Roger Cullen (spelled Rodger in my records) born abt 1799 married Catherine Clark born abt 1799. I'm also showing the same 5 children, all born in Armagh, but Armagh is not always listed exactly the same.
Margaret B 1819
James B 1822
Eugene Owen B May 29, 1825 D Nov 27, 1905
Denis B 1828
Jane B 1832
Eugene Owen (if I have the name correct) was my great grandfather.
My records are very sketchy, as the person who did all the research is my aunt on my mother's side. The Cullens were on my father's side, so there isn't as much information. In addition, my aunt is now 98, so all of her work was done by visiting libraries, cemeteries, churches, court houses, etc, either in the US or Ireland. Some of the records are still in hardcopy and in need of review. I'm hoping to get through it a little bit at a time. Let me know if there is anything I can provide. Thank you for the post!
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That’s great. I only found this family link a week ago. I know nothing about them. I know Jane and her family Line, since this is my ancestors. I can provide their details, and events.
I have the records from the baptism, marriage and death. Along with the witnesses. Although some of the hand writing was poor.
I know that Roger Cullin died in 1868 and was recorded as 80 years old. This puts his birth to around 1788. But it is probably later. No baptism record for him. From the Griffiths valuations in 1864, Roger was a tenant farmer of just over 7 acres at Tullygarron, Grange, Armagh. He rented this from a Miss Porter. His son Owen took it over.
To date I can only find one record for a Catherine Clark, a baptism record, 4th April 1819. Making her near 14 years old when she married Roger. Not unusual for pre-Famine marriage ages. Her father was John Clark and her mother Cate Turnon. This may not be the right Catherine.
You say that your aunt did the original researching. Obtaining records from US and Ireland. Are you based in Ireland or US?
I look forward to learning more about this branch of the family.
Thank you for your reply.