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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: hallmark on Wednesday 21 June 17 16:57 BST (UK)
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OK.. I know how to look up the LDS stuff, get Book No, Entry No, Page No but when I get there it is often not there.
I can work through the Entry Numbers but I get to Entry 3995, then 3997, what happened to 3996? or 3998 and 3999 in the example below?? The Memorial I'm looking for is seldom where one would think it is!!
Yes, I can go through all the 524 Scans to find the Memorial I'm looking for... just wondering if anyone else has similar problems.
I'm looking for Memorial, not a Will....
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Hi hallmark. These are a fantastic resource and we are so lucky familysearch has put them onto their website for FREE!!! I was stoke as I live in Australia and didn't have ready access to the memorials. However I have now used them quite a bit.
I found them to be a bit tricky at first, but from what I recall each film of the actual memorials can have more than one lot on it. You need to look on the film for 'title pages' that indicate what years memorials you are looking at. If the number you want appears to be missing then you must be looking at memorials for a different year that appear on the same film. I found zooming out so you can view many pages at one time can help you find the beginning of the memorial set. Hope this helps. If not, let me know, and I will go in and copy some links to show you what I am talking about. Katharine
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Yes some have 2 books or more, I can look at Grantor's Index etc and get the Book No etc.. go to the film but like in the example shown the Entry No's have gaps like 3997 then the next is 4000 and I wanted 3998.
The Film No is correct, Year correct..... yes I view the film by multi page slides to see how many book are on the Film, plus read the notes slide. I had 4 to look at, found 3 but not this one!
I just flip through the Film....
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If you wants to give me the details of one you can't find, I can have a look and see if I can work it out. :)
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Want not wants ;D
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Want not wants ;D
You're fine... was just wondering about the gaps! Besides I'm nosey and often come across "things of interest"... ;D
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It could be that the one you want is sitting at the back of the year as late additions. I had noticed the gaps in running numbers but assume there must be a reason for such gaps. :)
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it will be somewhere... i just go to multipage and zoom in until I have 2 slides, then browse through so entry number will be somewhere.
It the gaps I was wondering about too.
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Off topic I know - but I'm not familiar with LDS memorials. Can you please tell me what they are, who they are for & which period they are likely to cover?
Thanks, Josey
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They start in 1708. My understanding is that memorials are a record of a transaction. It could be a marriage, sale, lease or will that the memorial documents. They are not limited by religion. Definately a place to have a look if your ancestors had land, or maybe a business in Ireland.
Do a Google search for Ireland memorial deeds LDS. Find the link for familysearch. The information is in the notes section, and further down page is link to the microfilms themselves.
Hope you find something relevant like I did, Katharine
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They start in 1708, Deeds, Transfers of Property, Leases, Marriage Agreements.
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/185720?availability=Family%20History%20Library
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Thank you both. Will certainly take a look - I may be lucky; doubt if my Irish forebears owned property but the other deeds may apply. For property deeds it seems a little like the Scottish Register of Sasines. A Memorial means something else in Scotland; the ones I have come across are rather like Counsel's Opinion as in
A statement of the particulars of a case, submitted by one or other of the parties to the Lord Ordinary in the Court of Session as one of the preliminaries to the hearing.
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There are some Wils among this lot BUT there are 100's of Will Ledgers filmed by LDS which are not online!
If I remember correctly between these Memorials/Deeds and Wills there are 5556 films!!
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Two comments.
First, I think the title of this thread is misleading, and should be changed. There are no "LDS" memorials. The memorials are those of the Registry of Deeds.
Second, the OP must or should have the full reference for the memorial, which includes not just the volume number, and memorial no., but also the page number. I usually search via the page number, and only then look for the individual memorial.
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Two comments.
First, I think the title of this thread is misleading, and should be changed. There are no "LDS" memorials. The memorials are those of the Registry of Deeds.
Second, the OP must or should have the full reference for the memorial, which includes not just the volume number, and memorial no., but also the page number. I usually search via the page number, and only then look for the individual memorial.
Like I said "I know how to look up the LDS stuff, get Book No, Entry No, Page No....."
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Like I said "I know how to look up the LDS stuff, get Book No, Entry No, Page No....."
Well, your more detailed description puts all the emphasis on the Entry number?
In any case, I found that the indices are often hard to read for various reasons, and sometimes the indexers got it wrong. Between these two factors, it can be difficult to find a memorial of interest, as one or other of page and entry number could be wrong. But I don't think I ever encountered a situation where both were wrong, so by hunting around I could usually find the entry of interest.
It is even possible the Volume no. could be wrong - I used to check that by looking to see if the memorials were registered in the year covered by the volume no. given in the index.
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Yes because I got the Book No, Entry No and Page number... the entry number was I wanted between the 3997 and 4000 and as you should be able to see NOT there!!
Hence query!!
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Maybe this will help you see the numbers are not continuous...?
Maybe not!!
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I did not doubt you that the entries are non-sequential.. Where we differ is that you clearly think that the entries should be sequentially numbered. I don't think that was necessarily so. There are volumes where everything is pretty sequential, but if memory serves me correctly, I also noticed volumes where the entries were not so. I took that to mean that there was more than one engrosser at work at one time, so that consecutive entry numbers could end up in different volumes.
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I am getting confused now. I thought that the op had the refrences, but when looking for the memorial they wanted, it wasn't there but had nearby numbers as shown in photo.
If that is the case it would be helpful for the op to post their full references for the missing memorial.
That way others could look and see if they come to same conclusion!