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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: Kendra71 on Friday 23 June 17 07:36 BST (UK)
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Do you think these two pictures are young and old photos of the same person? The older woman is my great-grandmother Louisa Phyllis Humfrey (1877-1968). She spent two years in South Africa teaching in about 1898. The photo of the younger woman was taken in South Africa at about that time I think. What I don't know is whether it is a picture of her or maybe of a friend she made while there. This may be an impossible question to answer, but I thought I'd ask anyway!
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This doesn't prove anything.... but there is no denying the possibility.
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My first instinct is to say not the same person but there are a lot of years between the photos which makes it difficult. Lighter iris in the eyes on the older lady is all I can come up with.
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Thanks. I would like it if they were the same person but I'm inclined to agree that they're not. I'm going to look for other pictures and see if that helps.
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I don't think they're the same person either. :)
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I don't think that it's the same person. Can't really see the ears properly in the older photo to compare, but I don't think the chin is the same. Kit
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I don't think they are the same person..the nose is entirely different shape. You have a lovely collection of photos
Carol
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No - two very different shaped faces.
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Thanks. I see that really. It was just wishful thinking!
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Did you also see the responses to your other posts ::)
Carol
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Hi Carol, yes I have thanks. I'm very grateful for all the responses.
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I've also found a different confirmed picture of Louisa Phyllis Humfrey, the older lady in the two pictures. I'm quite sure the younger one isn't her.
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I might be the only one, but I think it is the same person.
They both seem to have the same mouth and nose and if you account for lack of teeth it would explain the less elongated face.
She has an unusual crease on the inner corner of her eye and it appears in the younger photo that it may be there are well (maybe it is just a mark on the photo).
However, I could be wrong ;)
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Have you tried to run a facial recognition program on them? That is pretty accurate. I can put a photo of me in now (over 70) and one when I was 16 and it knows it's me.
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If it's not too late to make comment, I'd say we are looking at the same person here, taking into account the changes Time inevitably makes to a person's skin, hair etc. It feels right, to me. Have you had any further thoughts on this? x
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I'm jumping in late here as well .... I think they are two different people. Two features that I notice in particular are: the nostrils are a different shape and so is the top lip, particularly comparing the photo of the younger girl and middle aged Louisa. :)
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Hi Ruskie, Dulciebun, thank you both for the late replies! I haven't moved much further forward but I think that they are different people, mainly because the confirmed photos from later years both show a shorter nose. It's a bit of a shame but never mind.
I was really surprised coming into all this that none of the old carte de visite photo companies' customer records have seemingly survived. I'd dearly love to be able to tap the number into a search field and get the ID back!
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I'm interested by this, because (although I can't possibly know), the 2 ladies 'feel' the same to me. People have commented on the nose, saying it's conclusively different... hmm. In the older lady, I can see a rather strange crease right across the top of the nose, almost as if there's been a bad injury there which has been fixed up, and the skin hasn't found a way to make it neat. Noses are made of cartilage, not bone, and their shape can change (or BE changed, or repaired) quite radically.
I'm an artist and I study and draw faces, they fascinate me.
The younger woman has her chin right down, to look at the camera, which will always make the nose appear longer.
Lips change over time, they lose their plumpness and become a straight line in old age, so there's little point in saying the lips aren't the same. When the lips get thinner, the distance between nose and top lip gets wider.
Do you know if your relative might have been injured, facially, at any point? Accidents happen, wars happen...
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I can see a rather strange crease right across the top of the nose, almost as if there's been a bad injury there which has been fixed up, and the skin hasn't found a way to make it neat.
The younger woman has her chin right down, to look at the camera, which will always make the nose appear longer.
Do you know if your relative might have been injured, facially, at any point? Accidents happen, wars happen...
It's a deep wrinkle across the bridge of the nose, not an injury - some people get wrinkles/frown lines in that area. Not unusual.
The younger woman has her chin right down, to look at the camera, which will always make the nose appear longer.
It is the width of the nose and the shape of the nostrils that differ.
Lips change over time, they lose their plumpness and become a straight line in old age, so there's little point in saying the lips aren't the same. When the lips get thinner, the distance between nose and top lip gets wider.
Yes, lips do thin over time, but the whole area from the top lip to the nose in the young girl is a different shape and more protruding than Louisa's lip area.
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Hi Ruskie! Thanks for your helpful input.
It's really useful to chat like this, isn't it, and I learn a lot too.
I'm 61 years old. I've just measured the width of my nose in a photo from my 20s, and I can see that my nose is now about 6 mm wider than it was in my youth. Interesting. My nostrils are wider and longer, too.
Physical features can thicken out, with age, with fat, or increased muscle. (e.g. my waist is very much bigger!!)
Certainly, I can see differences in the 2 photos posted up here. But somehow it still 'feels' like the same individual, you know, from a human point of view; it's like how you can still recognise your cousin when you haven't seen them for 40 years, and they've completely changed shape. A human connection, which no machine or computer could make.
I don't know the answer to this, but I think we should keep talking.
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An update to this thread. I have this photo of her a bit younger (taken from a Chester History page on Facebook) I also did an article for the Friends of the Meadows newsletter in 2018 - the 50th anniversary of her death (and 100 years since women got the vote)
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Same person, yes. I go by the eyes.
Same lady, young and old. x
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I'm looking at the ears. The lobes look different in the two younger pictures. The woman with the hat has a rounded lobe and the other young woman has a lobe with a different shape. The eyes and eyebrows don't look simliar to me, either. Frankly, I don't see much of any similarity between them. (I'm not including the older woman. Pictures 2 and 3 are clearly the same woman.)
That and £10 will get you a good cup of coffee in central London. ;D
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I vote the same person
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The latest photo posted is confirmation that you have photos of two different people.
I see virtually no similarities between the two.
I neglected to mention in earlier replies, that the eyes are glaringly different. Louisa’s eyes are pale and round in shape. The young girl’s eyes are almond shaped and possibly dark in colour (though that is inconclusive due to lack of detail in the old photo).
So you have three photos of Louisa at various ages, and one photo of someone else. :)
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I'm not sure how I missed this but I'll add my thoughts now.
I don't think the younger person is the same as the others because the eyes, nose and mouth and hair growth around the forehead/temple area are all different.
Gadget
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With the addition of the 3rd photo for comparison I no longer think the youngest picture is the oldest lady. ::)
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The facial shape is just too different for it to be the same person imo.
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and just to add my two penn'orth, the middle and right hand photos are of the same lady.
the left hand photo is of someone different. For me the shape of the earlobe is completely different (and quite distinctive) in the youngest woman.