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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Philezra on Friday 23 June 17 21:35 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone. I have a conundrum unless I'm being daft.
Alice Barrow married William Russell 1814 in Bolton. I think they have Sarah bapt 1815 and John bapt 1817.
Census 1841 shows William 45, Alice 45, Joseph 15, James 13, William 10, Mary 7.
Census 1851 has all of them except William jnr.
Census 1861 has all except William or Mary. However, there is Mary Barrett, 4 Granddaughter.
Can I find the parents?? No. Logic would suggest that Mary has married "somebody" Barrett.....
Cannot find her/them.
Can anyone solve this? Could be mistranscribed but I cannot find a marriage for a Russell + Barrett anywhere.
Phil
Thank you
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Have you looked on freebmd for a birth for Mary and then used the GRO maiden name search to find her mothers maiden name? Not all relationship entries on census returns are correctly entered ;D
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Hello,
There is a marriage November 30th 1856 for Mary Russell, father William, to John Barrow.
Perhaps it is just an error.
Heywood
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GRO indexes show Mary Barrow with mmn Russell.
1861 shows Mary Barrow with two other young children 1861 2822/36/9
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I have found the same records as heywood and agree that the enumerator may have misheard the surname as Barrett instead of Barrow.
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So Mary marries a Barrow, just her father did!! Need to connect them....
No sign of John though.
Apparently his father was Samuel. Need them together in a census.
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No sign of John though.
Apparently his father was Samuel. Need them together in a census.
They are together in 1871 RG10 Piece 3933 Folio 43 Page 30
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So Mary marries a Barrow, just her father did!! Need to connect them....
No sign of John though.
Apparently his father was Samuel. Need them together in a census.
For your consideration
1841 538/28/15
Samuel Barrow 37 yrs Boiler Maker
Mary Barrow 35 yrs
John Barrow 5yrs 10 months (I think)
Isaac Barrow 4 months
John is shown as 'not born in county'.
This would seem to be Samuel B and Mary Williams - married in Liverpool. This fits with 1851 where they are in Horwich but no John :-\
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so Samuel married in Liverpool
then reappears in Bury where their son Isaac is baptised in June 1841
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so Samuel married in Liverpool
then reappears in Bury where their son Isaac is baptised in June 1841
That's right - Samuel states he is from Helliwell and Mary is from Liverpool. Then they presumably move to Horwich. Whether this is the correct family though needs further evidence.
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just to complete the family, there is another Mary baptised 1825 who presumably dies
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Lancann. Where did you find the 1825 baptism?
All of you - a very big thank you for all you help.
There is a John Barrow in 1901 at an institution in Farnworth as a pauper/inmate.....
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On ancestry. hopefully of the right William and Alice.
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I actually thought, afterwards, that you were referring to Mary Barrow, daughter of Samuel + Mary, born 1825.
From what I can glean, the rest of them, John ecxepted, couls have died between 1851 and 1861; Samuel snr 1853; Mary 1851; Samuel jnr 1860 and Isaac 1858.....
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1881 3832/79/6
Living in Sharples (Bolton)
John Barrow born Birkenhead, Cheshire with Mary, daughter Alice and three more children.
1891 3112/47/14
Still in Sharples
John - b Birkenhead now a widower with the three younger children - there ages are not correct though :-\
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Now that it looks as though John Barrow is born Birkenhead, I would think that he is the (unmarried though) John boarding in Wallsend in 1861.
1861 3835/36/33
Birkenhead is transcribed as Burlouhead on one site.
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Here is John's baptism in Birkenhead.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kaq/
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so Samuel married in Liverpool
then reappears in Bury where their son Isaac is baptised in June 1841
Baptism: 6 Jun 1841 St Mary the Virgin, Bury, Lancashire, England
Isaac Barrow - Son of Samuel Barrow & Mary
Born: 2 Feb 1841
Abode: Bury
Occupation: Boiler Maker
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john in 1871
Name Age
John Barrow 35 boiler maker
Mary Barrow 37
Mary Barrow 13
Alice Barrow 12
Samuel Barrow 10 possible death 1886
Emma Barrow 7
Susannah Barrow 3 - died 1872
James Barrow 1
living in Little Bolton - enumerator has them all down as being born in Little Bolton but all children have mmn as Russell
and the rest of John's family in 1861
Name Age
Hannah Knowles 25
Mary Openshaw 11
Mary Barrow 26 boarder Married
Alice Barrow 2
Samuel Barrow 3/12
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could this be James marriage?
Marriage: 27 Jun 1900 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
James Barrow - 30 years, Mangler, Bachelor, 10 Bowkers Row
Mary Ellen Smedley - 25 years, Spinster, 53 Deansgate
Groom's Father: John Barrow, Moulder
Bride's Father: William Smedley, Moulder
Witness: John Barrow; Charlotte A. Smedley
and Emma
Marriage: 11 Nov 1882 All Souls, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Robert Brooks - 23, Cotton Operative, Bachelor, Eagley Bank, Astley Bridge
Emma Barrow - 20, Spinster, 270 Blackburn Road, Bolton
Groom's Father: Thomas Brooks, Crofter
Bride's Father: John Barrow, Boiler Maker
Witness: John Brooks; Mary Ann Glossop
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Wonderful stuff from you all. I see that Emma was a boarder with the Brooks family......although husband to be wasn't there.
I wonder if the John that is witness to James' marriage is John senior?
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Earlier, I saw that Herbert Barrow is boarding with Robert Brooks in 1901 I think. I also think Robert is a widower by then.
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There is a John, son of John Barrow. He married Sarah Crook in 1901. Could be him as the witness. John snr may have died.
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Where did you find that marriage please. I can't seem to find it
Edit found marriage of Sarah to John BARRON. I think it was originally mistranscribed onto the register index. The certificate looks more like Barrow but it is in distinct. John age 26 Sarah age 25 father John boilermaker.
I did wonder about the James one I posted earlier as it is the only time I have noticed John as a moulder rather than boilermaker
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Interestingly John and Sarah had a son called Herbert Russell barrow