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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: br1937 on Sunday 25 June 17 21:53 BST (UK)
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Just curious if anyone out there is aware of the history with respect to when the Canadian government started using Social Insurance #'s or in general possibly when Social assistance of some sort (re: seniors) started to be a more common place occurrence.
Reason I ask is that I have had trouble in the past trying to find a relative that I know was alive in the 1950's (in Toronto) but Ontario death records do not come up with a positive result. Thus wondered if maybe there might be a way to search from a federal perspective but not sure how one might go about that type of search. Of course privacy laws and the sort will likely be a road block not to mention data from so long ago, assuming it might even still exist?
Any general comments would be appreciated.
Mike
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Hi,
If your relative died in the Toronto area - perhaps there is an obituary in a local newspaper. Have you checked the Toronto Star or Globe and Mail??
If not - you can post a name and I can have a look for you :)
RK
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Hi again,
Interesting question about the SIN... looks like the government started issuing them in 1964. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Insurance_Number
I don't believe you can use these numbers for genealogical purposes. We don't have anything like the US's Social Security Death Index.
RK
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Thanks for the feedback.
The name of the relative and partly the reason maybe I've had difficulty in previous searches with the Ontario death search is not sure of the exact name the death might be registered.
Any combination of:
Theresa Hennessy Brady Findlay
Born:
Theresa Hennessy (around 1890) in Quebec (Montreal I'm pretty sure)
Married in 1911 in Montreal and became Theresa Brady
** marriage did not last and moved to Toronto with her only child (son) around 1915
- she left a fair bit of family back in Montreal
** in or around 1937 she was living with a gentleman by the name of William Findlay who was quite a bit older (25 yrs older) and they may have been married or certainly were common law
** she was Catholic so not sure if every officially divorced from the 1911 marriage to Brady
** she lost born husband (or common law) William Findlay and then her son, James Leslie Brady, within a month of each other in 1945 (Aug & Sept respectively)
** other records show she was still alive around 1955
-otherwise not sure of when she died but believe would be before 1961 as my father married that year and she was not at the wedding
- assume after being in Toronto (King and Bathurst area) for so many years (ie. 40 yrs 1915-1955) that highly unlikely she would have returned to Quebec...not to mention she'd been on her own for around 10 years at that point...and a senior with likely limited resources
Mike
In any event
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Hi,
I had a look in the papers, but didn't find anything. Have you asked the Toronto Public Library to do a look up for her in the Directories? Perhaps you could find out the name she used...and also the year when she last appears in the directories?
I looked for her in the 1921 census. I hope I am not being completely off track here - but I found a Theresa O'Grady, with a Patrick O'Grady (aged 54). Theresa says she is born in Ontario and is 24. Place of birth, age etc are off BUT... there is a James Brady "son in law" (so son of Theresa) who is born 1912 and a boarder named Edward Finlay. They all live near King and Bathurst. Patrick, Theresa and James are RC.
Not seeing anything else in 1921 that fits ??? If I am absolutely wrong here...just disregard!!
The City Directories might help with your search.
RK
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So, death records in Ontario are only available up to the early 1940s -- after that, they remain private, so unlikely you are going to find a death record for her.
In 1935 Voters' List, there is a William Findlay, a paint mixer, living at 560 Wellington Street West, with a Mrs. Thomas Brodey, a widow, and a Leslie Brodie, salesman.
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1921 census for the O'Grady family I found has address as 5 Angus Place.
1921 Toronto Directory (online) has Patrick O'Grady at 5 Angus Place
1925 Toronto Directory (online) has William E Findlay at 5 Angus Place (the Edward from the census???)
https://archive.org/stream/torontocitydirectory1925#page/1138/mode/2up
RK
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So, death records in Ontario are only available up to the early 1940s -- after that, they remain private, so unlikely you are going to find a death record for her.
In 1935 Voters' List, there is a William Findlay, a paint mixer, living at 560 Wellington Street West, with a Mrs. Thomas Brodey, a widow, and a Leslie Brodie, salesman.
That looks really good Eileen!!
RK
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Found Leslie Brady's obituary in the Toronto Star. Oct 2, 1945, page 21.
He died in Hamilton, Ontario on Sept 29, 1945. Husband of Margaret Webber of 111 Sackville Street. Aged 34. Worked for the Dunlop Tire Co. Interment Mount Hope Cemetery (Toronto).
Perhaps you could contact Mount Hope cemetery to see if his mother is buried there too?
RK
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These are all good, Run Kitty ... seems she may have been with a couple of different men after she left her husband. Son James Leslie was baptized in Montreal in 1911, and his father didn't appear at the baptism.
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1911 Census has Theresa Hennessey still living at home. They were married on the 2nd of July and Leslie was born on the 3rd.
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Wow,
Some amazing new finds here...the 1921 Census with Patrick O'Grady being married to a Theresa and with a son-in law of James Brady...all too coincidental not to be them in my eyes
The corresponding info of Patrick O'Grady (family) being at 5 Angus Place (plus a Findlay) and then later William Findlay also being at this address is compelling.
Theresa Brady and James Leslie Brady (my grandfather) were 100% with William Findlay in 1936 at 560 Wellington Street (at Bathurst)....as per marriage certificate of James Brady. The tie in to the earlier address and Patrick O'Grady is new information.
Theresa Hennessy Brady - came to Toronto when her son was about 3-4 yrs old (so 1915 or so)...thus a lot of time between then and 1936 (ie. 1936 being when her details are known absolutely)
Finding she may have married a Patrick O'Grady prior to 1921 is connecting another dot hopefully...
Albeit just like with William Findlay...hopefully one day can confirm if one or both are actual marriages as opposed to common law situations...
And of course the ultimate...when did my great grandmother die and where is she buried???
Like I'm sure many of us learn the hard way...if I had only asked my father when he was alive!!
Thanks so much for the help so far..
Michael