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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: James Hawkey on Sunday 25 June 17 22:51 BST (UK)
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Hi I was wondering if anyone can help. I have been tracing my Cornish family tree and on one tree line in Penzance Thomas Bailey from Lambeth Middlesex (Occupation Sailor) Marries Harriett Nicholls Newlyn. I have extensively traced the Cornish lines but have no Idea about Lambeth in Middlesex? According to the internet Lambeth is Surrey?
Thomas Bailey DOB Abt 1852. Married 1872 Penzance. I have no idea where he was pre marriage and do not know which Thomas Bailey he likely will be in early census records in Middlesex. Anyone able to help?
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Hi
Welcome to RootsChat :)
London is a big place ;D
But there is a baptism in Lambeth in 1850
Thomas Bailey bapt. 1 Sep 1850 St Mary, Lambeth. Mother: Susannah Bailey.
Abode: Workhouse.
Do you have the wedding cert. it could help narrow it down ? - it would name his father
claire
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Hi I do not have the wedding certificate. The Opc website does not mention his parents names on marriage. I could always call the Truro record office as recently visited on holiday. May I ask where you found this information.
Thanks for the help
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Hi
The parish records for London and Surrey are on Anc*stry.
I'm just checking to see if she ( Susannah Bailey ) married. It is possible it is not the correct record - there are a few Thomas Bailey's born in the timeframe in the London area.
claire
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Thank you. I just realised it wasn't on the parish database I found that marriage. It was on ancestry. Thank you it's appreciated.
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You really need the marriage certificate to verify parents
this looks a possiblity- age fits and there is a "water" connection
1861
18 Surry? Place Rotherhithe Surrey
George Hy Hubert Head M 61 Waterman Rotherhithe Surrey
Sarah wife M 57 Rotherhithe
Henry son S 19 labourer in shipyard
John son 15 S Labourer in Shipyard
Sarah Bailey daughter widow 34 Rotherhithe
Thomas Bailey Grandson 8 scholar Lambeth Surrey
Henry Bailey grandson 8months Clerkenwell Surrey
RG9 390 38 11
there is a marriage reg FreeBMD
Jun qtr 1854
1d 749
on same page
Sarah Hubert
Thomas Bailey
but this would mean Thomas jnr was born pre marriage
Nothing is certain until marriage cert seen
Suz
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Now that looks good :)
But the marriage cert would be the best option here
Here are the details from the 1854 marriage
19 June 1854 St Giles Camberwell. Both of full age
Thomas Bailey, bach. engineer of Peckham Rd. Father : Peter Bailey - builder
Sarah Hubert, spins. of Peckham Rd. Father: George Henry Hubert - lighterman
both signed register
Witnesses: G H Hubert and H Searle
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Hi all, been looking at that family and then found it posted!!
In 1871 census
Sarah Hubert 66 Widow
John Hubert 25
Sarah Bailey 14 Grandaughter b Westminster
Residing at Surrey Place, Rotherhithe
Census Ref RG10/643/96/1
So where was this Sarah in 1861?
Keyboard86
EDIT birth places for Thomas from 1881 census:-
1881 City of London
1891 London, Middlesex NK
1901 Lambeth
1911 Lambeth
There was a birth of a Sarah Lydia Bailey Dec qtr 1855 Lambeth mmn HUBERT
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Thanks for all your help, I will look into the certificates and have added to my tree as a potential line.
Yes it appears the Thomas of Cornwall had a sister. I assume you mean where was Sarah in 1871.
Thanks
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I assume both, Sarah in 1871 census and the daughter/grandchild Sarah Lydia in 1861 census?
Keyboard86
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Ive found Sarah in the 1871 census she is a patient in Guys hospital
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Ive found Sarah in the 1871 census she is a patient in Guys hospital
Can you give details of this 1871 age of Sarah etc if possible the census ref beginning with RG10
More importantly Thomas in 1871, that marriage certificate for Thomas is at present your best bet to confirm the name of his father, and the occupation of his father though?
Keyboard86
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RG10/624 page 23 is what it says. Sarah Bailey, Age 42 occupation nurse. Patient. Born Rotherhithe. I am not sure about Thomas
Thanks
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OK now found a Sarah Bailey aged 42 Widow b Rotherhithe, but really cannot see the word Nurse on original,
Full census ref RG10/624/101/23
But I repeat, unless you purchase that marriage certificate for Thomas all of this searching has been possibly in vain?
Keyboard86
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It does say she's a nurse on Anc * original record :)
Relation to head: patient
Occupation: nurse
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It does say she's a nurse on Anc * original record :)
Relation to head: patient
Occupation: nurse
OK admit defeat, funny transcription to me, but will defer to the transcriber, but will stick with purchase of marriage certificate for Thomas a must!!
Keyboard86
Have you seen the names of the children in 1881/1911 bear no relationship to any in previous returns??
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Yes I am aware although there are no names from the mothers side either and am sure Harriet Nicholls tree is correct. I am aware I need to purchase the marriage cert for Thomas.
Thanks
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Yes I am aware although there are no names from the mothers side either and am sure Harriet Nicholls tree is correct. I am aware I need to purchase the marriage cert for Thomas.
Thanks
(A) who is Harriet Nicholls, and (B) if so correct, why does she not have parentage of Thomas?
Keyboard86
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Harriet Nicholls is who Thomas Bailey married in my original post. She is from Newlyn. Father Abraham fisherman.
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Harriet Nicholls is who Thomas Bailey married in my original post. She is from Newlyn. Father Abraham fisherman.
Can't stop blushing, get that marriage certificate will be so pleased if you progress this😊
Keyboard86
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Yes I will buy the certificate. Why are you blushing?
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Yes I will buy the certificate. Why are you blushing?
😂 Acute embarresment for not recollecting who Harriet Nicholls was
Keyboard86
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Hahaha I appreciate your help
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Don't worry about it James Hawkey - keyboard86 is having what us women would call a 'blonde moment' :)
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Don't worry about it James Hawkey - keyboard86 is having what us women would call a 'blonde moment' :)
I had the "blonde moment" I thought Harriet Nicholls was someone elses family tree😁
I do hope the marriage certificate is obtained though.
Keyboard86
PS just spotted no " comma" between James Hawkey and Keyboard86 so confused.com
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Ooops ! There is my blonde moment😎
Just for elimination purposes the Thomas Bailey baptised at St Mary Lambeth 1850 looks to have been buried January 1851 - same church.
Claire
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A comma now that's getting slightly pedantic. The Thomas you just mentioned is the one with suzanna as the mother?
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Hi
Burial on 6th Jan. 1851 St Mary Lambeth - Thomas Bailey inf(ant), under 1yr of Windmill St.
Doesn't say parentage, but seems very possible. I couldn't see him on the census with a Susanna Bailey either.
Claire