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Does anyone have access to the My Heritage website please? I am looking for further information on the below:-
Martin Friedrich Eichmann, 1861 - 1893
Martin Friedrich Eichmann was born on month day 1861, at birth place.
Martin married Anna Maria Eichmann (born Parchert).
Anna was born in 1868, in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.
They had one daughter: Helena Auguste Schodel (born Eichmann).
Martin passed away on month day 1893, at age 31 at death place.
I am not having any success in locating a death record for him on the Queensland Historical index. I am hoping that if someone can see the My Heritage details I can find out where he was born and died.
Thank you very much to anyone who can help.
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Hi Girl Guide,
Don't know the place of death as yet but he died on 16th Feb 1893, Qld Registration 1893/C2637.
F: Christian Eichmann and M: Minnie Brown.
Gerry
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There was a birth registration in Queensland in 1864 for a Frederick Eichmann which may have been him or a brother.
Frederick Eichmann
16th June 1864
Registration: 1864/C840
F: Frederick Eichmann
M: Wilhelmina Braun
Wilhelmina Braun was probably anglicised to Minnie Brown on Martin's death registration.
Gerry
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You just beat me to it Gerry. I agree that it is most likely him.
Two other births:
1872 C1688 Anna Marie Elizabeth Eichmann Christian Wilhelmine Braun
1874 C1925 Helene Auguste Marie Eichmann Christian Wilhelmine Braun
Jamjar
There was a birth registration in Queensland in 1864 for a Frederick Eichmann which may have been him or a brother.
Frederick Eichmann
16th June 1864
Registration: 1864/C840
F: Frederick Eichmann
M: Wilhelmina Braun
Wilhelmina Braun was probably anglicised to Minnie Brown on Martin's death registration.
Gerry
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Oops, maybe not:
Death:
1865 C335 Frederick Eichmann Christian Eichmann Wilhelmina Brown
Son Carl is buried at Gympie Cemetery: 1911 C1538 Carl Christian Frederick Eichmann Christian Eichmann Minnie Brown
http://research.gympiecemeterytrust.com.au:8008/mapguide/Gympie/Public/index.php
Jamjar
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Thank you so much everyone for your replies. All information will be duly noted and filed away.
I did obtain Martin's marriage certificate and it indicates that he came from what looks like Gunterberg, Preusen, Germany. He married in 1888 so I would assume that he came to Australia before that date.
Can anyone tell me where to look to see when he entered Australia?
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Entry into Queensland.
Vessel "La Rochelle"
1863
Christian Eichmann, 31, Gunterberg, Preussen, Landmann.
Wilhelmine Eichmann, 32, Gunterberg, Preussen.
Christian Eichmann, 8, Gunterberg, Preussen.
August Eichmann, 5, Guntergerg, Preussen.
Martin Eichmann, 2, Gunterberg, Preussen.
Gerry
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Gees Gerry, you did it again. ;D
Jamjar
Entry into Queensland.
Vessel "La Rochelle"
1863
Christian Eichmann, 31, Gunterberg, Preussen, Landmann.
Wilhelmine Eichmann, 32, Gunterberg, Preussen.
Christian Eichmann, 8, Gunterberg, Preussen.
August Eichmann, 5, Guntergerg, Preussen.
Martin Eichmann, 2, Gunterberg, Preussen.
Gerry
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Ooo lovely Gerry, thanks so much. Looks like I read the birthplace correctly then. The record you have found very conveniently gives his parents names, so an added bonus.
Only got to find the relevant records for Gunterberg!
If anyone comes up with anything else for the Eichmann family I shall be happy to receive the information. You can never have too much info.
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1874 Bailliere Qld Post Office Directory
Eichmann Christian, farmer, Pimpama Island, Pimpama.
Gerry
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Obit for Father, Christian, 2nd column, bottom of 'Personal':
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article20275870
Buried at Beenleigh with wife and other family members:
http://www.logan.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/91908/Beenleigh-Cemetery-Burial-Index.pdf
Jamjar
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If you go onto the FamilySearch site you will find a marriage in 1855 between Christian Eichmann and Wilhelmine Justine Friederike Braun.
The hand written records are in German but hold a lot of information.
Search under Christain Eichman with spouse Braun, in Germany and it should come up s the first record.
https://familysearch.org/search
If you have trouble get back.
Gerry
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Thanks once again Gerry.
I may decide to start a topic on the Germany board to see if anyone can help with the Eichmanns from there.
I'll see what I can find myself first.
Edit - Oo thanks again Gerry - maybe I'll wait a bit before starting another topic! You seem to be coming up with lots of info for me. Much appreciated.
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Jamjar
Many thanks for the links - when I've stopped typing I'll have a look. Really pleased to have all this information.
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Monumental Inscription Beenleigh Cemetery
Section U, No 58
Christian EICHMANN, born 13 Feb 1832, died, 11 Jan 1919. And his beloved wife, Wilhelmine EICHMANN, born 25 Oct 1830, died 2 Dec 1916. Gone but not forgotten.
Gerry
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Is this Martin's wife's second marriage and death, with a different middle name?
1899 C1483 Anna Eichmann Wilhelm Gross
1934 B26229 Anna Auguste Gross Michael Frederick Parchert Albertina Sprung
Jamjar
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Mention of Anna Marie Gross death, last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article35628422
Headstone photo: http://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=5918344#images
J.
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They had 3 children, not one:
1889 C6802 Rudolph Martin Eichmann Martin Friedrich Anna Maria Parchert
1891 C7683 Helena Augusta Eichmann Martin Anna Maria Parchert
1893 C7121 Hulda Martha Eichmann Eichmann Martin Friedrich Annie Mary (sic) Parchert
1900 C7321 Wilhelm Carl Gross Wilhelm August Anna Mary Parker
1903 C6172 Herbert Edward Gross Wilhelm August Anna Marie Parker
Marriage: 1922 C1043 Rudolph Martin Eichmann Edna Florence May Louis
Death: 1949 B24044 Rudolph Martin Eichmann Martin Friedrich Anna Maria Parchert
Funeral notice, Rudolf: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article212745543
Balmoral Cemetery, Location 4-279: Rudolf Martin EICHMANN, age 60 years
Date of Service: 27-09-1949
Service Type: Burial
Buried with him: Edna Florence May Eichmann, age 95, service date: 5-11-1997
Marriage: 1912 B12277 Helene Auguste Eichman Friedrich Willhelm Schodel
Death: 1973 B44616 Helena Augusta Schodel Martin Eichmann Anna Maria Parchert
1953 B46119 Friedrich Wilhelm Schodel Carl Friedriech August Marie Louise Wagner
Funeral note for Friedrich: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article217169184
Marriage: 1919 B22778 Hulda Martha Eichmann Samuel Herbert Wood
Death: 1965 B77647 Hulda Martha Wood Martin Friedrich Eichmann Annie Mary Parchert
Marriage: 1927 B1433 Wilhelm Carl Gross Emilie Elsie properly Amelia Elsie Brauer
Death: 1959 B34571 Wilhelm Carl Gross Wilhelm August Anna Mary Parchart ** late Eichmann
1979 B93144 Amelia Elsie Gross Christian Wilhelm Friedrich Brauer Wilhelmine Ernestine Kriedemann
Hemmant Cemetery, Brisbane: Lawn 1/324
Wilhelm Carl Gross 59 Years 17-10-1959
Amelia Elsie Gross 73 Years 17-01-1979
Marriage: 1928 B3636 Herbert Edward Gross Else Elenore Stollznow
Death: 1975 B63060 Herbert Edward Gross Wilhelm August Gross Anna Marie Parker
1979 B95543 Else Elenore Gross Johannes Martin Stollznow Martha Anna Ida Tesch
J.
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Ooo you have come up with lots of lovely information Jamjar. I really appreciate all this. I'll do something about copying it later. Just about to have lunch here in the UK.
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Ooo you have come up with lots of lovely information Jamjar. I really appreciate all this. I'll do something about copying it later. Just about to have lunch here in the UK.
Don't rush, I'm still adding to it. 😉
J.
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Oh are you? Wow! I'll wait until you have finished then.
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That's me done. I can't find other burial sites. Although I think Samuel Woods is at Mt Thompson, Brisbane, but can't see Hulda.
I did so want to find Martin. :(
Time for bed, I think. Do enjoy you day.
Jamjar
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Nighty night then Jamjar, many thanks for looking for me.
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The 1895 Queensland State Electoral Roll shows a number of Eichmann voters in the Electoral District of Logan.
Eichmann August, freehold, Pimpama Island.
Eichmann August. T. W, residence Albert River.
Eichmann Christian, freehold, Albert River.
Eichmann Gustav, residence, Albert River.
1868 (Meyer) Queensland Post Office Directory
Eichmann C, farmer Bethesda.
(Bethesda was a German Mission established on the Albert River by Pastor Johann Gottfried Haussmann in 1866)
Gerry
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Thanks very much for that Gerry. I wonder how many of them are related to the Eichmanns that I am following.
I don't really know how common the Eichmann name is in Australia.
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Martin's birth on Family Search: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQ54-BRY
Has the original German register page, scroll down to No. 63
Jamjar
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Hi Jamjar
Thank you for the link to a Martin's christening. However I'm not sure who this one is. The Martin that I am researching was born about 1861, this one is 1831.
Martin's father Christian would have been born around 1831/32.
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Hi Jamjar
Thank you for the link to a Martin's christening. However I'm not sure who this one is. The Martin that I am researching was born about 1861, this one is 1831.
Martin's father Christian would have been born around 1831/32.
Silly me, I didn't take note of the dates. ::) Maybe there will turn out to be a connection. ;)
I phoned the Gold Coast Council this morn, re burial for Martin at Pimpama. Turns out that although they have records for Pimpama Cemetery, they do not have them for Pimpama Island Cemetery. It is privately owned.
The chap gave me the name and phone number of the caretaker. I phoned, no answer and left a message with my number. Have not had a returned call.
Jamjar
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Ok Jamjar, you'll have to wait and see if you get any response from Pimpama Island Cemetery.
I take it there was no newspaper announcement of any kind regarding Martin then.
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Hi,
The funeral notice for Annie Norris Eichmann appeared in the Courier Mail Saturday 3rd October 1953, page 16.
The notice mentions names of persons who may be still living so I wont post it here.
Annie was buried at the Nundah Historic Cemetery in Brisbane.
Gerry
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Intestate Notice for Carl Christian Frederick Eichmann, 1911.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/189176973?searchTerm=
Gerry
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Thank you very much for that info Gerry. It will be added to the rest of the info gathered so far.
Really appreciate this help.
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From FamilySearch, Germany, Prussia, Brandenburg and Posen Church Book Duplicates 1794-1894.
Martin Friedrich EICKMANN.
Birth, 6th March 1861.
Greiffenberg, Greiffenberg, Angermünde, Brandenburg, Germany
Father, Christian EICKMANN
Mother Wilhelmine BRAUN.
The actual document can be viewed and has more information than the transcription on FamilySearch film 1334994, digital folder, 004110880, image 148, Deutschland, Preußen, Brandenburg und Posen, Kirchenbuchduplikate 1794-1874.
Note the spelling of EICKMANN.
If you go onto the FamilySearch site and search in Germany for Martin Friedrich EICKMANN his birth should come up on the first page at number 5 (it does for me) and you can see the transcription and the original document in German.
Gerry
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From the same source.
August Friedrich Wilhelm EICKMANN
Born, 13th August 1858.
Gerry
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Lovely, thanks for the info Gerry, should have thought about mis-spellling of the surname.
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May want to consider contacting the Logan River and District Family History Society Inc they may be able to help with info on Martin.
They appear to hold a lot of resources relating to the area and in the Library Catalogue under family histories I can see that they have a folder on Christian Eichmann in their collection so they have some information on the Eichmann family.
http://www.loganriverfamilyhistorysociety.com.au/
Gerry
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Oh thanks Gerry, I'll add it to my 'to do' list.
I'm really pleased with the information that you and the others have supplied me with. Much appreciated by me.
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Few snippets on Carl AKA Charles Eichmann/Eichman
In the local Gympie Newspaper on 10th September 1892 published a list of names of persons enrolled but had not qualified to be on the 1893 Electoral Roll for Gympie because they were dead, moved or disqualified.
Charles EICHMAN, residence, West Monkland Lease, left.
in 1909 having sold the farm at Dawn Pocket near Gympie Carl Eichmann went on to auction off the cattle, horses, implements and sundries.
CLEARING OUT SALE
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/190069583?searchTerm=
1894, Carl getting approval from the Warden's Court in Gympie for a GHL No 1688 (Goldfields Homestead Lease) of 40 acres. These types of leases had many conditions attached to them relating to improving the land, fencing, residence etc and depending how far the lease was from the Gympie GPO determined the sizes of the lease.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/171751250?searchTerm=
Marriage for Carl and Annie Norris Ford in 1887 at Gympie.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/201024245?searchTerm=
1914
Mrs Eichmann clearing out sale at "Morningside" Curra.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/189448105?searchTerm=
Death of Mrs Ford, Annie's mother in 1913.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/190695837?searchTerm=
Gerry
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Thanks very much Gerry for all those snippets. I'll look at them tomorrow as it is getting late here.
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Just morning here in Cairns Far North Queensland, winter now but temp was 20 degrees C at 6 AM which is ok.
Looks like Carl/Charles Eichmann left Pimpama went to Gympie for the gold, then got into farming.
If you need any more info on Carl maybe try.
http://www.gympiefhs.egympie.com.au/
Gerry
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Just got off the phone with the lovey chap, from the Pimpama Island Cemetery (not an island at all). It's in the vicinity of Jacob's Well/Yatala, between Brisbane and the Gold Coast.
He is 4th generation, of German heritage - in his seventies - running the cemetery. Although it is on Crown Land, his family have always held the Trust for it. It is therefore run as a private business. He does it all himself, including grave digging and the only income is derived from the burials, i.e. No deaths, no income. Burials are cheap, compared to other cemeteries and anyone can be buried there. He calls the cemetery, his backyard.
He says that there is one M. Eichmann in the records, but no other details. He knows where the actual plot is.
So, although not absolute confirmation, it is possible that it's him. Only a death cert would possibly confirm this.
Jamjar
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Thanks for that information about the cemetery. In his seventies and still working there, good for him. Obviously enjoys the work.
Do Australian death certificates say where someone is buried then?
I'm not going to fuss about it for the moment - it can go on the back burner for now.
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Yes, the certificates give burial place, but not sure if ALL do.
Jamjar
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I have a 1902 Queensland Death Certificate for my GGF and there are sections for
When and where buried. Undertaker, by whom certified.
Name and Religion of Minister, or names of Witnesses of burial.
I would expect it the same for 1893.
Gerry
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Thank you both for that information. As I said earlier, no rush to get the death cert.
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Gerry
Why can't I find the below on the Queensland historical deaths index?
Don't know the place of death as yet but he died on 16th Feb 1893, Qld Registration 1893/C2637.
Every time I put the name in and the year I get this:-
Please check your information.
There are no records that match your query terms.
So what am I doing wrong?
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Ok, try this.
Get the Qld BDM site up, historical deaths.
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=deaths
Under search deaths
Enter Martin only in the first names and leave the last name blank then enter the exact death date of 16/02/1893 and hit enter. (Any other date will come up red and fail)
The Indexed Registration should come up as 1893 C/2637 (C being a country registration)
I got the original death date from a subscription genealogical site.
Gerry
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Hi Gerry
It still doesn't work, still says there are no records to match my query terms.
Is there any other way that I may be able to obtain the cert bearing in mind that I am in the UK?
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I'm a tad confused. You don't need the date to get the cert.
1893 C2637 Martin Friedrich Eichmann Christian Eichmann Minnie Brown
In search on the QLDBDM just enter Martin Eichmann with date range 1893-1893
It comes up and you can hit the ORDER button to purchase online image, which you then download. Cost AU$20.70
Jamjar
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Hooray! It's worked this time. Thank you very much Jamjar.
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Tip ;D
From a posting on your thread actually copy and paste the surname and given name into the right boxes.
Embarrassingly I have more than once been frustrated by situations like yours (Won't come up for me"!) and it was a spelling error in the name which I just could not see :P
Sue
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Great that you finally have the record.
The Parchert family arrived on the "BEAUSITE" on 5th September 1863 from Hamburg.
Frederich Parchert, 32.
Albertina, Parchert, 30,
Carl Parchert, infant.
There were 508 German immigrants on board.
The "La Rochelle" had arrived in the August with the Eichmann family.
Gerry
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Thanks very much for that tip Sparrett.
Jamjar now have the cert - Martin was buried on 17 February 1893 at Pimpama Island Cemetery and it looks like the undertaker was an Emil Lohrisch.
Cause of death appears to be phthisis or TB, just 32 years old. Two children mentioned who are Rudolph Martin and Helene Augusta.
Just wish UK certs would be as informative as your Australian ones are.
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The 1892 Post Office Directory has E. Lohrisch, carpenter at Beenleigh.
It wasn't unusual for carpenters to take on undertaker duties as well
Gerry
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1893 C7121 Hulda Martha Eichmann Eichmann Martin Friedrich Annie Mary (sic) Parchert
J.
Two children mentioned who are Rudolph Martin and Helene Augusta.
Hulda was "on the way"
Born in the first half of September 1893.
Sue
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Thanks very much for that tip Sparrett.
Jamjar now have the cert - Martin was buried on 17 February 1893 at Pimpama Island Cemetery and it looks like the undertaker was an Emil Lohrisch.
Cause of death appears to be phthisis or TB, just 32 years old. Two children mentioned who are Rudolph Martin and Helene Augusta.
Just wish UK certs would be as informative as your Australian ones are.
Excellent, yes I too wish Brit Certs were as detailed as ours.
Jamjar
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The Eichmann family came out to Queensland under the 1861 Land Order Scheme. The Government didn't pay for the voyage either the immigrants themselves paid or a guarantor paid on arrival and after the Government had been paid for the fare the immigrants would receive Land Orders to the value of 18 pound per adult and one Land Order for every two children between the ages of 4 and 14.
Land Orders allowed for the purchase of Crown Lands at sales oir auctions.
If a Land Order holder remained in the Colony for 2 years they received another Land Order to the value of 12 pounds.
Land Orders were not granted until the fare had been paid and often the guarantor or agent ended up with the Land Orders because the immigrant couldn't pay for the fare but in the case of the Eichmann family the Queensland State Archives have on microfilm reel Z1570 image 247 Land Orders 3269 and 3270 under their name..
Gerry
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That is interesting information Gerry thanks for that.
Apologies for the delay in responding, been a little busy. Celebrated my birthday yesterday (30th).
Do you or anyone else know if it is possible to view/obtain a will for someone who died in 1949? This would be Rudolph Martin Eichmann died 24 September 1949 and is buried in Bulimba/Balmoral Cemetery.
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Can anyone tell me if it is possible to view/obtain a will for Rudolph Martin Eichmann who died 24 September 1949 and is buried in Bulimba/Balmoral Cemetery?
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Oops did this wrong. Modify button has disappeared on reply #57.
You only get 24 hours to modify and then the post is locked.
Jamjar
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Oh, I didn't know that Jamjar. I shall try to remember that then.
Have you any ideas for me about a will for Rudolph Eichmann?
(I've got to go to the doctors soon so it may be a while before I can respond to the above query)
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No, sorry, I don't. :(
Jamjar
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Okay, thanks for that Jamjar. May be something that is not possible to do.