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Thoughts if you may.. Molly Ashworth listed on 1911 census born in 1901 Wolverhampton but on the 1901 census for the same family I can only see Louise A Ashworth born in 1901. Would it be logical to think this was a nickname for her?
The number of children has been struck through a number of times on the 1911 one, but i believe it shows one child died so trying to eliminate any possibilities.
I've not heard of this as a shortened version for Louise but could be wrong?
Amy
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Molly is usually short for Mary or Margaret or may be a name in its own right. It could be an unrelated nickname though.
I'd be looking at deaths and births for after the 1901 census if I were you. :) Have you looked for Louise elsewhere in 1911, or for deaths for her prior to 1911?
Added: It looks like 9 years married, 4 children born alive, three still alive and one has died. Two children with the family in 1911 - who is missing?
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Agree with Ruskie,
Molly usually Mary.
Annie
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I can't see a Louise Ashworth born c1901 on the GRO index. No Molly either .... :-\
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Did John Ashworth marry Ethel Ann Tyler in 1901 in Macclesfield? :-\
If so I can't see any Ashworth births with MMN Tyler in the GRO indexes ...
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There is this birth on FreeBMD:
Louisa Adelaide Ashworth MarQ 1901 Wolverhampton 6b 577
GRO index gives mother's name as Tattersall.
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Thanks Nanny Jan. I was just about to say that the name is Louisa. I found her as a one month old boarder with a Turner family in the 1901 census.
Amy, you said this was the same family in 1901 - it isn't as far as I can see. What makes you believe that it is? :-\
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Thanks Nanny Jan. I was just about to say that the name is Louisa. I found her as a one month old boarder with a Turner family in the 1901 census.
I can see Louisa Adelaide aged 2 months with her father John aged 30 a widower, and siblings Doris and John Harrold in Wolverhampton in 1901.
Also in the household is a visitor, Ethel Ann Tyler
I'd say this is the same family as in 1911 :-\
RG 13 / 2676 / 141 / 12
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Thanks Nanny Jan. I was just about to say that the name is Louisa. I found her as a one month old boarder with a Turner family in the 1901 census.
I can see Louisa Adelaide aged 2 months with her father John aged 30 a widower, and siblings Doris and John Harrold in Wolverhampton in 1901.
Also in the household is a visitor, Ethel Ann Tyler
I'd say this is the same family as in 1911 :-\
RG 13 / 2676 / 141 / 12
That certainly looks better than the one month old boarder. :)
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Marriages Dec quarter 1891
Nantwich 8s 600
There is a John Ashworth and a Louisa Adelaide Tattersall on the same page
Possible death:
Mar 1901
Ashworth Louisa A
age 35
Wolverhampton 6b 380
Looking at the quarter it may be that her death was childbirth related - daughter Louisa Adelaide named after her mother.
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In 1911 Doris is with her Uncle Walter Tattersall and her grandmother Louisa Tattersall.
I can't see Louisa in 1911, nor can I see a death for her, which may indicate that Molly = Louisa. :-\ Someone else might be able to spot something I have missed.
If 'Molly' happens to be 'Mary' there are a lot of births of Mary Ashworths and Mary Tylers in the indexes. :-\
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Thanks all so far, yes Jen B this is the family I am looking at. Ethel was a visitor in 1901 and married to John by 1911. I could only find three children prior to Ethel so obviously their mother must have passed away but if we read it right and there were four children, maybe Ethel had a child that died?
Ruskie thank you! Doris had become a small mystery and without knowing her mother's maiden name I had become a little stuck.
I wondered if because of the year of birth Molly would be Louise/Louisa just found it an unusual shortened name! Yes I think you're right, the mother maybe died by something childbirth related, the timing seems correct
Now to figure out the missing child!
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Louisa the child, Louisa the mother, Louisa the grandmother.
My mother was Marion named after her mother BUT was never called Marion because that was her mother, she was always Molly. Only on official documents was she Marion. She was called Molly to stop any confusion, is this your answer?
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I'm also pretty sure 'Molly' in 1911 is actually Louisa. It must have just been a family 'pet name, but not one we'd expect.
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The missing child could be from John's marriage with Louisa or Ethel. It looks like John may have included all of his children rather than children from his current marriage, when he filled in the census form.
I had a quick look on the GRO indexes and there are a couple of births of Ashworths with MMN Tattersall after 1891, though not in Wolverhampton.