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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Resources => Topic started by: MonicaL on Tuesday 27 June 17 21:47 BST (UK)
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I have been doing some research which has included this cemetery. I contacted Wandsworth Borough Council's bereavement service at http://enablelc.org/bereavement/about/ and they have kindly sent me a plan of the cemetery and also a complete set of grave locations within the cemetery.
To find the grave number I needed, I visited the Wandsworth Heritage Service housed in Battersea Library www.wandsworth.gov.uk/homepage/215/local_history_and_heritage The archivist there was a great help and I was able to find the entry I needed in the film 'Battersea Cemetery Burials' which contained the burial registers.
Find a Grave also has a number of transcriptions from surviving stones www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=2249461
Specific grave numbers to help with location in the cemetery can be found in the burial registers.
Below is the main plan of the cemetery which shows the different sections/blocks. The following posts include the individual blocks with a map of the graves. The cemetery is noticeably full (truly full up!). Be aware that the numbering system for the graves is not in order sadly and can be particulary random. You will need to really study each section to try and find the grave number you need.
To be able to include some of the grave maps here on RC, the size of files is reduced for some of the images. If you have a problem reading the numbers (and who can blame you ::)), just send me a PM with an email I can use to send you a larger image that should help some (although it is still hard going...).
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Section A1
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Section A2 + D
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Section A3 + I1+F1 + F2 + F3
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Section B
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Section C + H
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Section E + C
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Section G1
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Section G2
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Section I1 + I2 + J
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Section I2 + L + N
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Section K
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Section M + I2 + I3
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Brilliant Monica, Thank you.
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Absolutely Brilliant. Now the long search for plot 3622!!!!
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Buriel records state section B. Plot number 3622 but I can't see it anywhere!!!!!! ???
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I will have a look later with you!
The lair I was looking for myself turned out to also be in Section B. I was helping out a Rchatter on a long old search. After many years, turned out the person we searched for was buried there. I have some photos of the surround of Section B here on RC. Let me find the original thread.
Monica
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Thank you
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Some photos here on this post www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=396752.315
More also on this page www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=396752.msg6274070#msg6274070
Monica
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In Section B, as you have seen, there are very few lairs with numbering in the 3000s.
I cannot see 3622....but there is a 3623?
This is in the third column on the left, starting with '8154', about 2/3 down.
Monica
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Plot 3623 is the next one down in the burial records and looks to be Mary-Anne and Georgina Evans. Theirs actually mentions row 3. My relatives plot is listed as 3622 but doesn't mention a row.
Burial record is attached
Section B would make sense as they use to live on Bollingbrooke Terrace which use to be opposite section B.
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Odd that it doesn't show :-\ Clearly states Section B.
Where did you source a copy of the register?
Monica
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I can't easily make out the section ref of surrounding graves on the page. G?
Monica
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From the Wandworth Enable website.
https://enablelc.org/bereavement/cemeteries/records
They even sent a separate email to confirm it was St. Mary's
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They offer an excellent service. Why not go back and tell them about the problem you having?
There might be other registers. Would be worth rechecking against the microfilm register held by the Battersea Family History Library too.
Can you post here the details for the Huxtable deaths (full names, ages, dates of death/burial) that you have buried in 3622 please. I can try to double check any other register later this week for you.
Monica
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Thank you Monica you are a star.
Edmund Huxtable B 30 Nov 1835 (Chittlehampton) D 27 Nov 1867 (Wandsworth) Age 32
Ann Huxtable B 1807 Chittlehampton D Jan 1872 (Richmond on Thames) Age 65
William Huxtable B 1800 (Chittlehampton) D July 1873 (Staines) B Aug 1873 Age 72
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I have been following your steps today.... :)
I popped in to the Battersea Family History library and you had called not long before. They even had the films still out. I spent a little while looking through to no avail. The Register of Graves, which you have, was on these reels and so nothing new there. I also looked at the Register of Burials and found Edmund's death there with matching details to the Graves Register. The only additonal piece of info was that the burial was in unconsecrated ground. This is not really relevant for what we are trying to do here.
I then called Engage Bereavement on your behalf...you had also spoken with them! As you know, the team there have spent over an hour looking, to no avail.
Not sure what other options are open to you now :-\
Monica
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Throw in out of interest
Superintendent's accounts of St. Mary's cemetery, 1869-1873
4.1.72
Annie Huxtable, B 3622 reopen
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C3MJ-FQ2N-5?i=407&cat=505468
4.8.73
Wm Huxtable
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C3MJ-FQ2F-9?i=470&cat=505468
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Good to see the additional details, jonw65.
It is all pretty consistent the info re Plot 3622/B and the Huxtable family burials.
The only problem is....we've lost the plot ::)
Monica
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Thank you both for your help and information. I have spent all week looking at the plan of the graveyard but to no avail. ??? Got quite hopeful at row 4 and five plots up which is on the crease. But the plan of section B on here confirms as 8622 not 3622.
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Really frustrating for you :-\
Monica
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Your posts have enabled me to trace the burial places of three of my relations. Thank you so much Monica.
Only thing is I'm stuck with making sense of the burial of my 3+great grandmother at Battersea Rise in 1879. I assume Uncon is 'unconsecrated'.
Secondly, her Plot No. in section A (or is it F, being the printed letter at the top of the page?) seems to be written in pencil. I think it says 1014 (see attached). But there are three sections A and I have scoured the plan images to no avail.
Might you have any insights or tips to help in my search?
Many thanks for any suggestions you can offer.
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Hi Josh
I am glad that the lair plans have helped you.
Where did you get the details on Elizabeth? Was it from here https://enable.imagestor.co.uk/search/#
If you did get it from them, if you I would give them a call call and ask for their advice as to what they think the burial register entry shows. Writing is so faint isn't it. Could be just down to a poor image.
Section A1 is in the oldest part of the cemetery. Very few stones remaining in that section. It is also quite a big section. If you have a look at the photo below, A1 in the overgrown section in the back of the photo, across the path. The front of the photo is section B and stops at the path.
Monica
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Thank you Monica, I did get the detail from Enable and shall follow up as you suggest.
Very grateful for all you've put on here.
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Let me know what they say, Josh pls. Curious where it is now ;)
Monica
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Hello again Monica,
Thank you for your suggestion, as they came back to me very quickly:
'I have checked the burial register and the information that is illegible has been written in green ink. The grave number is 8957, it is an earth grave and the row is 1014. A Uncon means it is an A class grave in un-consecrated grounds.'
I hope to now find it on the plans you so kindly posted.
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They have a good team there that do respond quickly to enquiries.
What Section of the cemetery was the lair in? Was it F as you thought it could be? Some of the images can be so hard to read even when you expand them. If you struggle, I wouldn't hesitate to request further help from the office there.
Monica
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I did ask, but as they did not clarify do I take the large printed 'F' at the top of the page to be her section? (see attached) Unfortunately the numbers on the Section F scan do not enlarge well, so I'll ask them again.
Thank you.
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Hi, I'm looking for the grave of Mary Ann Foden listed on the last line of this link. There are actually 4 relatives in that grave.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C3MJ-FQ2V-H?i=440&cat=505468
In the burial register only the internment number (8992) was mentioned but thanks to the superintendent's accounts I can see that the grave number is 6117 and section B
Unfortunately I can't find this grave on the layout maps. I'm also not entirely sure whether the letter under section actually is the block. Other graves don't seem to match up either.
Any idea where the grave may be? Any info would be much appreciated.
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Looking at some of the birth registers and superintendent's account details
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C3MJ-FQ2V-H?i=440&cat=505468
the "section" detail doesn't seem to correspond to the block.
The A, B, C seem to refer more frequently to the class of grave instead.
The rows are far more revealing:
Rows 1-10 are in Block B: graves 6114 (row 6) ,6115 (row 7),6116 (row 8)
Row 16 in Block: grave 6118 (
Row 64 in Block: grave 6120
The grave 6117 I am looking for is in row 94(?)
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That was supposed to read:
Rows 1-10 are in Block B: graves 6114 (row 6) ,6115 (row 7),6116 (row 8 )
Row 16 in Block E: grave 6118
Row 64 in Block H: grave 6120
It seems that the row numbers increase within each block from West to East (left to right) and then the numbering moves on to the next block. The "next block" may be the one just below or to the right. That's still to be determined.
If I look at JoshP's extract I think I can also see grave 8954 in Row 64. That also lands in Block H just above 6120.
(I can only assume that the mention of row 1014 is some typo. Maybe that's actually row 104 or 114?)
Row 94 may be in the large F block. Would it be possible to have an enlarged view of the image showing that block?
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Sorry, just seen your post :)
Unfortunately the original image I have, and posted here, of the sections is what I had sent over by the Cemetery Office. When things calm down for them, you could make enquiries directly and check to see whether they have an enhanced image of these sections on that image.
It is a difficult cemetery to work around trying to find lairs. Even if you identify the lair number on a plan, finding it on the ground is pretty difficult. Sections A/B/C were the early ones used I believe. There are very few markers/stones left in these sections (as you can see from the photo linked below). On the other hand, some of the more recent sections are heavily populated with gravestones.
This photo here www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4885968 is taken from Section B looking at Section A in the background.
Monica
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Thanks for all your research Monica. If you hadn't provided all this info, I'm not sure I would have even tried to look for my ancestors at grave 6117.
I am almost certain that each row corresponds to a block (and each block corresponds to a set of rows). This seems to be confirmed by all the graves I have been able to check.
The use of A/B/C is confusing as those letters are used for class of grave (C must have been some form of common/public grave while A and B were purchased graves).
I am surprised that the row/block mapping information hasn't been communicated by Enable. I have contacted them since purchasing the burial register page but it probably isn't reasonable to expect a reply until after the lockdown.
After looking for the graves of ancestors that I know are buried in Tower Hamlets Cemetery Park, St Dunstan's, St John of Wapping and having no luck, I am keeping my hopes up for these ones at Battersea Rise.
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Good luck with the search! Let us know if you find it please :)
Monica
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Thanks. I certainly will.
I think I can see grave 6117 in one of first rows of Block M but may be misreading.
Do you possibly have a larger/higher resolution photo of the F blocks? The numbering of the rows may be such that the F blocks are after the G2 block.
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Sadly not. What I posted is the original file spec that I received. I have seen clearer images available elsewhere. Likely the Cemetery Office has access to better plans than these which they can send out. Some of the images I have are easier to read than others for sure :-\
Monica
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Hi Monica, thanks for putting up all this information. I've got a couple of great great grandparents buried in the cemetery but have struggled to find their grave numbers on the images!
John Deacon was buried on Nov 22, 1874, in grave 6905 while his widow Tabitha was buried on May 6, 1875, in grave 7202.
The staff at Wandsworth bereavement service have been very helpful in giving me the grave numbers as the online search is down at the moment but I'm waiting to see if they can supply more details like the section they are in.
If there's any tips you can give me to find out more I'd be very grateful.
Tim
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Hi Tim
Welcome to RootsChat :)
The lair maps are not the best as they are pretty dense aren't they and can be hard to try and find a specific grave.
As you say, if you, I would wait for enable to confirm the section letter to let you focus in more detail to try and find the grave location within the right section.
Monica
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Hi Tim
Welcome to RootsChat :)
The lair maps are not the best as they are pretty dense aren't they and can be hard to try and find a specific grave.
As you say, if you, I would wait for enable to confirm the section letter to let you focus in more detail to try and find the grave location within the right section.
Monica
Unfortunately Monica their graves have been lost in a reorganisation as the helpful staff at the bereavement service explain below. I wonder if quite a few others have gone the same way. Tim
"I have searched our maps and can confirm the graves are located on the right hand side of section A1 at St Mary’s/Battersea Rise Cemetery. Unfortunately the graves are no longer accessible, the 2 graves in question are public graves and in the 1920’s the local authority had run out of burial space and made the decision to build up the land where the public graves were situated to create new graves."
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Sorry, Tim...missed your last post.
That is a pity :-\ However, even identifying the specific areas for the graves...it would be so hard to find the actual lairs. Section A is the oldest and next to no stones remain to help you get your bearings.
Each section is super packed as you have seen from the plans. The actual size of the cemetery is not so big.
Attached below is a photo I took a couple of years ago. The tall grasses are much taller today. The Council normally have Section A in and out of 'rewilding' so it is currently inaccessable.
I have also enclosed a link here to www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4885974 which has a series of photos. Section A is across the road (Battersea Rise) from St Mark's Church. So where you can see the church, Section A is nearby. The grass was trimmed when these photos were taken so easier to see the actual land area.
Monica
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Visited the cemetery two days ago and wish I'd found this forum before I did so. Wandsworth were helpful in providing the relevant page from the burial register even though their website wouldn't accept payments :). I am looking for grave 9992 where my great grandfather and his parents are buried. From the scans here it looks like there are two candidates in section M. Monica - is there a way to check the originals or to get a higher resolution scan? Thanks for making this information available.
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Hi Will
Welcome to RootsChat :)
It is eye numbing looking at the maps isn't it!
I think I can see 2 possibilities. Are these the one you mean? Probably the first one looks more like '9992'.
This section is more recent than those in the early alphabet sections. With some luck, there will be remaining stones with lair numbers to let you check in more detail. What was the surname(s) and years of death?
Are you local to be able to pop in and check? I am be able to go at some point this week if not.
You could also try to recontact the Office and ask for more assistance, highlighting the possible two entries you have found. They have access to more supporting info that might help further.
Monica
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Section M will be to the right of the Chapels.
www.cwgc.org/visit-us/find-cemeteries-memorials/cemetery-details/42001/battersea-rise-cemetery/
www.alamy.com/london-england-uk-april-23-2011-sun-shines-on-the-gothic-chapel-and-gravestones-of-st-marys-cemetery-in-battery-image356832362.html?imageid=204C909D-97AD-46C0-B6ED-E84F937EA7E5&p=300765&pn=1&searchId=0550d1a3eb59534226f063f6136edb97&searchtype=0
Monica
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Thanks Monica. Yes those are the two that looked like possibles to me. Having found these I didn't look in other sections. I'll follow up with the office to see what they have. There's a note in the register that the grave was purchased - and with a reference number to the 'purchased graves register'. Perhaps that register would have additional information.
No longer in the area, but will be back at some point. Thanks for the offer to take a look. I'll see what the office comes up with first. Surname is McFarlane, with burials in 1881, 1904 and 1908.
Scan of Google Earth overlay of the section M plan indicating locations of the two possibles we've identified.
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See also this from Google StreetView of a 360-degree image very close to the graves concerned. The section M grave in the immediate foreground (Pilditch) seems likely to be 8329 on the plan, which is useful for orientation. That would put the first of our possibles somewhere close to the evergreen tree to the left and behind.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/2cTTnLn4vNSyr8pr8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/2cTTnLn4vNSyr8pr8)