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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Jo.Hanmer on Wednesday 28 June 17 18:07 BST (UK)
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I am working on my Hanmer relatives from West Derby, Liverpool. Has anyone come across a Robert Hanmer, b. 1720 (Guilsfield, Montgomeryshire ?) I think he Married Anne Eash from Halkin, in Mold 28/12 1754. I am interested in finding out any further information.
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Hi two records for his baptism in Guilsfield, one of Robert 15th July 1720 St Aelhaiarn abode Burgedin Father Robert, the other Robertus 10th July 1720 Father Robert
Keyboard86
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Thank you keyboard.
I have also seen on findmypast, the entry for Robert. Also a marriage to Anne Eash, Halkin, in 1754. But I am not 100% sure this is my Robert. And I have no leads as to who his parents were. Was hoping someone has researched this family line and can lead me in the right direction.
Jo
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A warm welcome to Rootschat.
Baptisms
Nov 9 1755, Robert s. of Robert Hanmer of Mold parish
Feb 26 1758, Robert s. of Robt & Anne Hanmer of Bistree
Jun 29 1760, Robt s. of Robt and Anne Hanmer of Bistree
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Thank you very much. And also for the welcome :)
So if I understand this right. If we are looking at the same parents, they had 3 sons that they named Robert ? Or that it is 2 different set of parents, and the ones in Bistree named 2 of their boys Robert ? I guess the first one could have died very young, and they then named the next one Robert as well. Or how reliable are the years in the records ? I'm still fumbling my way through here, but have noticed on census records, that it can vary a bit, what birth year they put down for the same people.
You find out something, and then there is a million new questions ! ;)
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Hi Jo.
I was looking into some Hanmers for a friend of mine and I was wondering if you may have come across any of these in your searches:
Massie Walley Hanmer b about 1797
Thomas Hanmer b about 1776 in Overton, Cheshire
Or any Hanmers in St Albans.
Thanks, Eric.
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Jo,
first, apologies for not responding earlier
second - apologies for posting the incorrect details for the 9 Nov 1755 baptism. It should have read -
Thomas (not Robert) Hanmer, bap 9 Nov 1755, parents Robert and Anne of Mold Parish
(Am checking for a burial of a Robert to account for the 2 Roberts born to Robert and Anne 1758 and 1760)
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Cannot spot a burial for a Robert Hanmer to account for a 2nd Robert being baptised to Robert and Anne Hanmer of Bistree. There is a burial for -
Robert Hanmer of Bistree, 30 May 1761
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Sorry, not that I can remember off hand. But I will note it down and get back to you if I do.
Jo
Hi Jo.
I was looking into some Hanmers for a friend of mine and I was wondering if you may have come across any of these in your searches:
Massie Walley Hanmer b about 1797
Thomas Hanmer b about 1776 in Overton, Cheshire
Or any Hanmers in St Albans.
Thanks, Eric.
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hanes teulu, thank you :) That Thomas is certainly explaining things ;)
I don't think the 1758 Robert died, I have him down as marrying Jane Davies in 1786, 28 years old. But then, that could have been the Robert from 1760 I guess. It does get confusing when we see several entries with the same name. As there is the same parentage, I guess it will be difficult to know for certain.
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There is no age recorded for the Robert burried in 1761 ?
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No age given.
Burials of children are often recognised by the format " xxxxxx (given name), son or daughter of xxxxx xxxxxx (usually father)". These parish entries reflect that approach. There are examples either side of the 1761 entry.
Hence the 1761 burial is almost certainly an adult.
An Anne Hanmer, of the Parish of Mold married a Robert Lloyd, of the Parish of Llanynus, on 2 Feb 1868. Both signed their names - witnesses Griff Willams and Richard Lloyd.
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Baptism (transcription/image FindMyPast)
Thomas, bap 9 Jun 1776, place Overton, parents Thomas and Ann
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Cannot see a Massie Walley Hanmer but there is (transcription only) -
Mally Hamer, bap 17 Dec 1797, Stainland, St. Andrew's Church, Yorkshire - father Joseph of Longwood, Huddersfield.
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There's a birth registration 1844 for a Massia Walley Hanmer, December Qtr, St. Albans - mother's maiden name Grimshaw
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I have the Hanmers in Luton.....Father, Massie Walley Hanmer, who I suspect was born about 1796/1800.
I suspect his parents are Thomas Hanmer & Margaret Walley who married in Manchester 1796. He being 'a gentleman of Bristol'.
I also suspect there is a connection to the Nantwich area. The one in Overton sort of fits the bill, especially with his parents being Thomas & Ann.
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I am pretty sure that Massey can't be my relative.
I have children after Robert Hanmer (1758 -1839?)) and Jane Davies:
Samuel 1787
Robert 1790
Benjamin 1793
Children after Robert Hanmer (1720 - 1761?) and Anne Eash:
Thomas 1755
Robert 1758
Robert 1760
Can you see if there were any more children from those parrents ?
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As for getting parents for Robert b 1720, I guess there is no online information available atm. So I would have to go see the actual church registers ? Would that be Guilsfield in this case ?
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Can you see if there were any more children from those parrents ?
Had I spotted other baptisms to "those parrents" they would have been included in the original post*. Do you think the 1761 burial might be relevant?
Guilsfield, Montgomeryshire Baptisms 1720
Robertus filius Roberti Hanmer de Burged (?) in baptistrato fuitt quinto decimo(?) die July
One transcription reads 15 July, dedication - St Aelhaiarn, father's residence Burgedin.
Another transcription reads 10 July (but it does look like "quinto" to me).
* - Of course, I am only checking one source.
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Yes, I guess you had ;)
I definitely think the 1761 is a very strong lead. There are no children listed after Robert after 1760, so I guess that supports that we have the right man. But then I'm strugling to find any listings further back than that. Just hoping, that the actual church records might have information on parrents. Thanks for all the look-ups :)
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Thanks anyway, Jo.
I think you'd remember a name like that.