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General => Armed Forces => World War Two => Topic started by: Treetotal on Thursday 29 June 17 13:32 BST (UK)
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Can anyone please tell me if the HMS Victory was a training ship please. Attached is a crew photo taken in 1941. My Father's papers show that he was listed from 3rd January- 15th February 1941. He is the man far right on the back row looking rather dopey ::) ;D ;D
Thanks for your help.
Carol
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Quite a few Shore Establishments were named as HMS Victory.
There were 8 of them in WW1!
The main barracks were in Queen Street, Portsmouth and named HMS Victory.
Naval Regulations insist that every sailor is allocated to a "ship".
It's now called HMS Nelson, and is Portsmouth Naval Barracks. The Barracks opened in 1903, when the Flag CinC Portsmouth moved from HMS Excellent to HMS Victory(ship) then to shore. The Barracks were then called HMS Victory but was renamed HMS Nelson(1.8.1974).
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Thanks so much KG...I couldn't really make much sense of what I read online about it so that clarifies it for me ;D
I have 14 of these photos, some are groups and about three are individual shots, any idea how I can find out who was there at the given dates as I'm sure there are families who would like copies.
Carol
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I have a picture of my father returning from Australia on HMS Victory but not sure when this was.
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I have a picture of my father returning from Australia on HMS Victory but not sure when this was.
You can purchase a copy of your fathers service records from the MOD, that should tell you when he went to Australia. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=651361.0
They will cost £30 though. If your mother is still with us you can apply on her behalf and they will be free.
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Thank you. I am pretty sure it was after 1944-1945. He came home early due to his father being very ill. I was told that HMS Victory returned to England with Australian war brides at that time. Could this be correct ?
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Hi,
Can't be HMS VICTORY as there was no sea-going ship commissioned with that name in service at that time. HMS VICTORY was the Royal Navy Barracks at Portsmouth.
Regards
Hugh
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The photo with the name Victory could be a view of the port side of an American Victory ship many of which were called "xxxxxxxxxxxx Victory" I Googled Dominican Victory and think the lines and spring pipes look about right.
Pete
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Yes you are probably right - I remember him saying he spent quite a bit of time with the Americans whilst in Oz. Although he was classed as a Stoker he was also classed as a Fireman at the mobile station HMS Naberley, Oz.
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Hi there,
I think one of these soldiers may be my grandfather, his records indicate he was on the HMAS Victory in 1941, and bears a striking resemblance to one of the men in this picture.
I was wondering if you had a list of names?
Thank you in advance for any help!
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Hi Simone and welcome to Rootschat...sorry I don't have a list of names...which one do you think is your Grandfather?
Carol
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I do have other photos of the crew taken at the same time and he may be on one them too.
Carol
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I think he might be the gentleman in the back row without the white on his collar, but again I'm not 100% sure.
Thank you for your help Carol, I really appreciate it.
Simone
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Okay...I will have a look to see if he is on any of the other photos and get back to you later today as I am away from my computer at the moment.
Carol
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Here is another with the same man.
Carol
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and the other one. Hope they are of your Grandfather...show them to relatives and if you think they are of him I can arrange to let you have bigger files which will help with identification.
Carol
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I have a picture of my father returning from Australia on HMS Victory but not sure when this was.
It would be later than 27/Sept/1944. HMS NABBERLEY at Ludham/Bankstown near Sydney NSW was not formed until then. Perhaps a Google search using the correct spelling would shed more light.
I would agree that the vessel in the photograph was likely a US built Victory ship but which one? A lot of these vessel were built post war. For a list of British Merchant vessels with names ending with the word Victory try a search here.
http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/vesselsalpha
Some can be discounted as being too small or built in the late 1940's. If you can narrow them down to possibles then you can get hold of the ships movement card (movements up until 1946) available online from The National Archive. Series BT389.
If these cards do not have the information you are looking for the the ships logbook also available from TNA will have details of the ships movements.
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Hi Simone...did you not get a notification for these posts?
Carol
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Carol, 're the photograph of your dad...HMS Victory crew photo, 1941, can I have your permission to send the photo to my Aunty in Australia, as my grandfather Jim Gorst's war record indicates that he was drafted to Victory in 1939. Even though, I don't recognise him on the photo, my Aunty would be very interested in seeing this photograph. Many thanks in advance. Regards Wendy
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Hi Wendy and welcome to Rootschat...you are more than welcome. That's what Family History is all about...sharing ;D
Carol
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Hi, i believe my grandfather Harold Corbett may be the gentleman in the bottom sitting row third from the right (On the full picture) but i can't be sure, if it is that is fantastic because i have been trying to find anything on him other than his birth, death and marriage.
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Hi Nicky....Glad you found this post...is this the guy you mean?
Wrong man
Carol
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Hi Carol, it won't let me attach the photo i'm afraid but the one with all the crew and two guys lying in front, i believe my grandfather is on the row kneeling at the front third from right. Sorry i've just realised there are two of them
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Here is another with the same man.
Carol
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Is this him Nicky?
Carol
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Hi Carold, In the bottom right of this pic, yes, i think so. I have other photos of him in uniform and i've been flipping between this and those and there's a high chance it's him.
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Oh that's great, I have a larger version of this one which I can email to you if you want to send me your email address via PM.
I have about 8 other photos so I will look through them and see if he is on any of the others.
Carol
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That is brilliant, thank you, i will PM you now. I have been searching for anything on my grandfather for years but other than the photos and basic information we already have I've been at a loss.
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Done...My Father is the one laid out on the left...ever the joker in the pack ::) ;D ;D
Carol
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Thank you, haha it is an amazing photo and a great memory for you to have :D
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Hi did you say you had some other photos of the ship's company from other years.my Dad was on HMS Victory from the 14th July 1942 to 31st July 1942.
If you or any one else have any info I would be grateful as I'm just starting on my resurch journey
Many thanks Tracy
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Thanks so much KG...I couldn't really make much sense of what I read online about it so that clarifies it for me ;D
I have 14 of these photos, some are groups and about three are individual shots, any idea how I can find out who was there at the given dates as I'm sure there are families who would like copies.
Carol
Hi my Dad was on Hms Victory from the 14 to 31st of July 1942. Was wondering if you had anything from that time
Many thanks Tracy
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Hi Tracy, Sorry I can't help you, the ones I have are all from 1941 :-\
Carol
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Hi Tracy, Sorry I can't help you, the ones I have are all from 1941 :-\
Carol
[/quot e] thanx anyway
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My grandfather was stationed at the training camp "HMS Victory from October 1940-December 1940. I would love to find any photos that may have been taken at the camp during that period. Very interesting to see the ones of the group of sailors posted from 1941! Would these be official photos, and if so, would anyone know where I could find them? Many thanks! :)
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Hi Elicia and welcome to RootsChat, the photos that I posted were personal ones belonging to my Father. Not sure where you would find photos covering the dates that you mentioned.
Carol
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Hello Carol,
Thanks so much for your quick reply. Your photos give me hope that there are more out there from other years--who knows? I will keep searching!
Elicia
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Hi, recently received the initial section of my Dads service record and it shows he was at HMS Victory 2 in August '41 and again in September '41. I have this photo of him (top left) but not sure when it was taken, likely later on in the war.
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Hi Scot and welcome to RootsChat....my Father was there earlier in the year. Thanks for sharing your photo, others who have relatives on this training ship may just recognise their relative.
Carol
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Hi Scot and welcome to RootsChat....my Father was there earlier in the year. Thanks for sharing your photo, others who have relatives on this training ship may just recognise their relative.
Carol
Like I said, not sure when that was taken but worth getting it out there just in case someone recognises a Father or Grandfather !
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Hi Carol,
Just came across your thread and found it interesting. Have you established now whether HMS Victory was a training ship?
I came across this link on those known to have sailed on HMS Victory, during WWII : https://wartimememoriesproject.com/ww2/ships/ship.php?pid=2585 , it might be helpful to you and others seeking answers.
My interest in this is that a couple of my uncles from India were in the British Navy during WWII. Last month I was going through an old diary of another uncle, who had noted that in October 1942 his younger brother travelled to England on a ship called 'Victory'. Another entry says that he received his first letter in December 1942 and mentions his brother's address: HMS Victory via BPO London, England. Would that address be for the ship, or HMS Victory station in Portsmouth? My father only mentioned that his brother was in the Navy and served as a stoker.
As I have just started searching about this, I don't know the differences between the Royal Navy and the Merchant Navy and whether the British/Indian Navy was separate during WWII. So, I am not sure where I can find some information on Indians that served with the British Navy.
Wass
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Hi Wass and welcome to Rootschat, my father was on the training ship at Portsmouth so I can't answer your questions but I'm sure there are people on here who may be able to help you.
Good Luck!
Carol
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Just found this thread.
My late Father spent some of WW1 at HMS Victory, - it's on his RNR Service Record.
I think that Hugh has already pointed out that it was a shore based Establishment?
Romilly.
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HMS VICTORY was the RN barracks at Portsmouth. It was not a sea-going ship.
Regards
Hugh
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Thanks for confirming that Hugh.
Best Wishes, Romilly.
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Can anyone please tell me if the HMS Victory was a training ship please. Attached is a crew photo taken in 1940. My Father's papers show that he was listed from (Amended) 3rd January -15th February 1940. or He is the man far right on the back row looking rather dopey ::) ;D ;D
Thanks for your help.
Carol
Added: My Brother has finally let me see the Service Record and the year was actually 1940 and not 1941 he was also there from 6th November 1941 to 27th April 1942
Sorry for the confusing but the dates quoted were from the written notes that I was given.
Carol
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Hi everyone I'm completely new to this but I'm looking for any information on Gordon Archdale Jones who was on Victory 1 during World War 2. He was aboard March 1932 and October 1940. Any pics or info gratefully received. I have just been given his record of all the ships he served during both wars and wish to find out more
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Hi Wendy and welcome to Rootschat...you are more than welcome. That's what Family History is all about...sharing ;D
Carol
Hi do you have any photo or information of Gordon archdale Jones who was on Victory march 1932 and October 1940? I've just found out info on my paternal grandfather and his navy records lists the ships he was on including victory. If there exists a photo of him I would be thrilled to see it
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During WW2, HMS Victory wasn't a ship, but a shore establishment - aka a Stone Frigate.
Due to RN Regulations, all shore bases are given an HMS designation ;D
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Hi Wendy and welcome to Rootschat...you are more than welcome. That's what Family History is all about...sharing ;D
Carol
Hi do you have any photo or information of Gordon archdale Jones who was on Victory march 1932 and October 1940? I've just found out info on my paternal grandfather and his navy records lists the ships he was on including victory. If there exists a photo of him I would be thrilled to see it
Hi Vixen and welcome to Rootschat, Sorry for the late reply but I have been away. None of the people in the photos I have are named unfortunately.
You might be interested in this site:
https://wartimememoriesproject.com/ww2/ships/ship.php?pid=2585
Carol
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My father's service record has Victory listed as his second last posting, from April to June 1946. Am I right in assuming that this was a shore establishment, not a ship? If so, where was it located? He had come from a shore establishment (St Angelo) in Malta. Thanks
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Hi Gillian and welcome to Rootschat, Yes, it was a training ship at the time, the photos that I posted were taken at the one in Portsmouth, I think there were other bases too.
Carol
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Hi Carol I’m wondering if an image I have of my great grandfather is in any of pictures or you could check your images for me? Many thanks
Ellie
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I've just come across this thread while looking for some info and wondered if anyone on here might be able to help.
I'm A Commonwealth War Graves Commision (CWGC) Eyes On Hands On Volunteer. One of the graves I am tasked to look after is that of an Able Seaman John Beresford Wileman who died at HMS Victory on 22/06/1947.
I have found from another site that he died from some sort of illness but wondered if anyone had more information or even a photograph as there seem to be quite a few photographs on the thread.
Thanks in Advance
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My father did his basic training at HMS Victory between January 4, 1940 and February 13, 1940, at which time he was assigned to the Armored Merchant Cruiser HMS Maloja. In you picture, Hayward Young (my father) is the one in the center with the big smile on his face (3rd from left in second row). Interestingly, I have the same picture. I would very much like to see your other pictures. For more, visit; https://gallivanting.ca/stories-my-father-told/
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Hi Gallivanting, sorry for the late reply, good to hear from a relative who served on the same ship and training ship as my Father.
His name was John William Anthony and he was born in St. John's Nfld. There are 36 photos photos taken which I believe were taken around the same time:
Here is a post including two vessels that were among the photos:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=774244.0
I have the crew photos that are on your great website ( Thanks for the link) my father is the one laid down on the left, and top right on the back row of your first photo. I don't have copies of all the photos as they belong to my Brother who is a bit precious over them. He lives some distance from where I live but will be visiting him soon where I can take another look at them and maybe copy some more.
The attached photo had "Bermuda" written on the back.
Carol
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Another one from the same batch. The second one was identified as being taken in Greenock.
Carol
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More for you.
Carol
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If any of these images are any good to you, then feel free to use them. I can clean any of them up if you like, as I restore photos on the Photo Restoration Board.
Carol
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If you want to reply Gallivanting, just go to the last message and then click on reply button at the bottom ;)
Carol
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Thank you for sharing your story and photos.
I have already updated gallivanting.ca
I believe that your photo "WWII War Ship.jpg" is a picture of the sinking of the "La Coruña". The scuttling of the "La Coruña" occurred on March 13, 1940. All 68 German crew members were rescued by the crew of the AMC HMS Maloja. For more visit; https://gallivanting.ca/stories-my-father-told/
Thanks again,
Wayne
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As an aside, my grandfather on my father's side served in RN from 1915 to 1946 as a seaman and later officers steward. He was stationed at HMS Victory (Shore Establishment, Portsmouth) for a while as PO Steward, upon retirement he was Chief Wardroom Steward as a Petty Officer Steward. He also served on various HM ships, cruisers and destroyers during his 30 years, one of which I believe was HMS Indefatigable WW2 Aircraft Carrier.
Sorry if I am off key here.
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Thank you for sharing your story and photos.
I have already updated gallivanting.ca
I believe that your photo "WWII War Ship.jpg" is a picture of the sinking of the "La Coruña". The scuttling of the "La Coruña" occurred on March 13, 1940. All 68 German crew members were rescued by the crew of the AMC HMS Maloja. For more visit; https://gallivanting.ca/stories-my-father-told/
Thanks again,
Wayne
Thanks for the update Wayne, great to have the vessel identified, some very useful info and interesting photos too. I think you intended to mention my Father as "Chap" rather than "Clap" :-X ;D
Do you have the navy recruitment poster as I wouldn't mind a copy of the whole thing.
Carol
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Thanks for the correction on your website Wayne :D
Carol