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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: clg19821104 on Friday 30 June 17 20:17 BST (UK)
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I am new to this site so if I posted this in the wrong area please forgive me.
I have been researching my 5th Great Grandfather Daniel Kirgan (1760 -1842). I am a direct decendent from him. 25 years ago or so my family did all the could to find out who his parents were but they couldn't find anything other than he was born in 1760 Antrim Ireland and died in Ohio. All these years later I can't find anything more than what was already researched. Accroding the the family genealogy that was put in our Kirgan family Book, they couldn't find anything in the ireland census records on him. It's as if he just came out of no where to the USA.
Thanks for any help you may be able to provide.
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Welcome to Rootschat but I'm a bit puzzled by this bit of your post "Accroding the the family genealogy that was put in our Kirgan family Book, they couldn't find anything in the ireland census records on him."
The first complete census for all Ireland is 1901 (only fragments of earlier ones for a few areas survive) and the dates are too early for most church records, etc. so it's not at all surprising that you haven't found any Irish records.
For any hope of finding Irish records you need to know the family's religion and a more exact location than 'Antrim' so that you can see if there are any possible church records or other surviving records.
Have a look at these two topics-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=498742.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=442233.0
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The attachment that im adding is the Forward to the Family History Book that was done in 1993.
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This is all that is known about my 5th Great Grandfather Daniel Kirgan coming from Ireland. Everything else in the family book is about his life in the USA.
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Kirgan mention on hearth money roll 1669
can be Kirgan or Kerrigan, Cargan, McKirgan
http://www.billmacafee.com
then come down the page on right and click on Databases complied form 17th Century census subtitutes, then click (PDF) on 1630 Muster rolls Baronies of Cary, Dunlunce and Antrim,
you really need a town land name.
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Not how accurate this is but i've seen Ballymoney, Antrim, Northern Ireland listed by others on ancestry and other places.
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Not how accurate this is but i've seen Ballymoney, Antrim, Northern Ireland listed by others on ancestry and other places.
1760 is long before the start of birth registration in Ireland (1864). For a birth in 1760 you would need to rely on church baptism records. You haven’t said what Daniel’s denomination was, but the only church in Ballymoney with records for the 1760s is Ballymoney 1st Presbyterian whose baptism records start in 1750. (Their marriage records only start 1817). However those early records are incomplete and fire damaged. Unless he happened to attend that church, and is in the records that survived, there’s probably no record of his birth in Ireland at all. And since he evidently moved to the US when he was around 17, there’s unlikely to be any other record of him or his family in Ireland either.
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Not how accurate this is but i've seen Ballymoney, Antrim, Northern Ireland listed by others on ancestry and other places.
Sources?
I would be inclined to take everything written in your Kirgan 'family book' with great scepticism unless you have actually checked all the 'facts' in it after seeing County Antrim described as 'Ireland's northernmost county.' ::)
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Where are some good places to search for Ireland families and information dating back to the 1700s and beyond?
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You generally need a location in order to see what resources survive/are available. Not all information is online but Bill Macafee has put together many resources from Ballymoney and surrounding area to give you an idea of what might be found (see link in reply #4). However, your problem will be in making a link from your known ancestor to a family in Ireland.
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exploring further some early locations, My favourite database on Bill Macafee’s website is the
1660s Hearth Money Rolls whose database column title headings are :-
Record No.-No. in Barony List-County-Barony-Parish-Townland (Modern Spelling)-Townland as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls-Forename as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls-Surname as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls-Surname [Standardised]
17731-1343-Antrim-Massereene Upper-Aghagallon-Ballymacilrany-BallymcElcaney-Brian-O Keregan-Kerrigan
7999-534-Antrim-Cary-Armoy-Knockans-Knouckneston-John-O'Kergan-Kerrigan
8072-607-Antrim-Cary-Ballintoy-Kilmahamogue-Kilmatomack-Daniell-O'Kergan-Kerrigan
8576-1111-Antrim-Dunluce Upper-Ballymoney-Ballybrakes-4 parts of Ballybrack-Philomy-O'Kergan-Kerrigan
8069-604-Antrim-Cary-Grange of Drumtullagh-Islandboy-Islandkerd-Pat-O'Kirgan-Kerrigan
8070-605-Antrim-Cary-Grange of Drumtullagh-Islandboy-Islandkerd-Brian-O'Kirgan-Kerrigan
16894-506-Antrim-Massereene Lower-Killead-Gortnagallon-Gortnagalland-Dermot-O Kergin-Kerrigan
1821-673-Donegal-Inishowen East-Clonca-Culoort-Cullurt-Neale-o'Kerregan-Kerrigan
533-533-Donegal-Raphoe-Convoy-Aughagault-Agagalty-Roory-o'Kerigan-Kerrigan
1732-584-Donegal-Inishowen East-Culdaff-Balleeghan-Balliaghan-Melaghlin-o'Kerigan-Kerrigan
790-790-Donegal-Raphoe-Donaghmore-Castlefinn-Castlefin-Connor-o'Kerigan-Kerrigan
820-820-Donegal-Raphoe-Donaghmore-Castlefinn-Castlefin-Tegg duff-o'Kerigan-Kerrigan
2997-969-L'Derry-Keenaght-Dungiven-Gortgarn-Gortgarn-Donoghy-o'Kirrigan-Kerrigan
5259-442-Tyrone-Dungannon Lower-Killeeshil-Fasglashagh-Fasglashagh-Brian-O'Kerigan-Kerrigan
reducing that down to simpler groups and only in Co Antrim 6 civil parishes
Parish Townland modern spelling
Aghagallon Ballymacilrany Brian O Keregan
Armoy Knockans John O'Kergan
Ballintoy Kilmahamogue Daniell O'Kergan
Ballymoney Ballybrakes Philomy O'Kergan
Grange of Drumtullagh Islandboy Pat O'Kirgan
Grange of Drumtullagh Islandboy Brian O'Kirgan
Killead Gortnagallon Dermot O Kergin
jump to 1823 1837 Tithes Applotment Books
Kergan, John-Townland : Unchenagh Year: 1834-Finvoy-Antrim
Kergan, Michl.-Townland : Unchenagh Year: 1834-Finvoy-Antrim
Kergan, Richd.-Townland : Unchenagh Year: 1834-Finvoy-Antrim
Kerigan, Bernd.-Townland: Coolbane Year: 1832-Loughguile -Antrim
Kerigon, John, Sr.-Townland: Friary Year: 1832-Loughguile -Antrim
Kirgan, John-Townland : Artnacrea Year: 1825-Dunaghy-Antrim
Kirgan, Peter-Townland : Gortgole Year: 1825-Portglenone-Antrim
jump to
Griffiths valuation roughly 30 years later 1860ish see
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
I think the name is made to conform to certain spellings I hunted quickly but only found
Kerrigan-Michael-Unshinagh-Finvoy-Antrim
Kerrigan-Neal-Unshinagh-Finvoy-Antrim
Kerrigan-Elizabeth-Tullymore-Skerry-Antrim
Kerrigan-John, Sr.-Unshinagh-Finvoy-Antrim
Kerrigan-John, Jr.-Unshinagh-Finvoy-Antrim
Kerrigan-John-Lislagan Upper-Ballymoney-Antrim
Kerrigan-Adam-Bushmills Road,Portrush-Ballywillin-Antrim
There are NO matches starting with the search string.
Rest of the matches:
Mc Kerrigan-John-Curramoney or Billy-Billy-Antrim
Mc Kerrigan-Alexander-Bushmills Road,Portrush-Ballywillin-Antrim
1901 census locations for Kerrigan
Castle Street-Ballymoney-Antrim
Millquarter-Ballymoney-Antrim
Carncullagh, Middle-Dervock-Antrim
notes Dervock in not a parish but townland in Derrykeigghan civil parish
[hang on a second, Keigghan suggests Derrykeighan, Derrykeeghan, Derryleggan, Derrygeeraghan, Derrylehan that is getting close to Derrykerrigan in sound, wtchyrthink]
Knockaholet-Killagan-Antrim
good luck onwards
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I was up late last night and reading message boards and finding others who have searched this same line. Most of them said their reasearch lead them to the Ballymoney area of Antrim Northern Ireland. I am studying these hearth rolls but figuring out how to connect these families is not easy to say the least.
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You ancestor may or may not have come from Ballymoney area but finding online trees/posts isn't really proof of anything. Unfortunately these days errors are copied from one tree to another like some sort of giant virus.
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I get that but it's all i really have to work with right now. I have looked at the census record that Bill Macafee put up, but I can't see how much help that can give me right now since im still in the mid - late 1700s when great grandfather Daniel Kirgan was born.
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you might be on the brickwall stage that eventually all family history encounters. in my case I kept a note of all earlier likely relatives and eventually paused, still interested but that is why I remain trying to help others.
Yes I hope you are not being given red herrings by me. at the time I looked up those references for you I reminded myself on what the name sounds like.. My ear produced Carragin. I forgot about it but perhaps it’s the now the time to mention it eg
back to more tithes
Carrigain, Hugh-Townland: Antrim Gardens (Scotch Dr. North) Year: 1833-Antrim-Antrim
Carrigan, Hugh-Townland: Trummety Hugh Carrigan -Templemore {1823-38}-Derry
Carrigan, Neal-Townland: Feenagh Year: 1827-Cumber Lower-Derry
Carrigan, Owen-T: Corneany Y: 1825-Desertcreat-Tyrone
Carrigan, Patt.-T: Corneany Y: 1825-Desertcreat-Tyrone
look up https://www.johngrenham.com for more ideas perhaps
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No your not giving me any Red Herrings. I just can't find as much as a brother or cousin to My Great Grandfather Daniel Kirgan. I have looked at the cenus records avaliable but they are very hard for my bad eye sight to read and it gets frustrating. I figured if I could some how find a cousin of his that would crack the brick wall. I have had several brick walls that i've had to crack but this one just stops dead in its tracks with no other information to go on.