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Title: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: Philezra on Monday 03 July 17 08:25 BST (UK)
Hi.

Ben Gomersal married Nancy Barrow 28 Sept 1878 on Prestwich.

He is Benj in 1881 census with one child Violetta

1891 census, ELLEN is widow with Violeta (4...) and Charles 2

No sign of a Ben Gomersal in deaths anywhere.

Plenty of scope for spelling errors/alternatives....

Any help much appreciated.

Phil

Thank you
Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 03 July 17 08:29 BST (UK)
What about this death?

June qtr 1890
Halifax Registration District     vol 9a, page 277

Gomersall, Benjamin      age 46
Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: crisane on Monday 03 July 17 09:15 BST (UK)
I don't think Nancy in 1881 is the same woman as Ellen in 1891
Births June 1/4 1886   
Violetta Gomersall Oldham vol 8d  page 698 mother's maiden name Anderson
marriage
Charley Gomersall to Ellen Anderson dec 1/4 1884 Prestwich vol 8d page 540.

Death Charles Gomersall age 27 March 1/4 1888 registration district Oldham vol 8d page 521
Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: Philezra on Monday 03 July 17 09:25 BST (UK)
Thank you for both of these.

I cannot find a death for Nancy, nor a re-marriage....
Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: heywood on Monday 03 July 17 09:40 BST (UK)
This seems to be the child Violetta in 1881 census

Lancashire BMD Violetea Gomersall, m m n Jackson.
Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: crisane on Monday 03 July 17 09:41 BST (UK)
Could they have emigrated
1900 US census
Fall River Ward 9, Bristol, Massachusetts
Immigration year 1882    
Ben Golmersall    42 manager Stone foundry born England
Nancy Golmersall 42
Valetta Golmersall 19 Music teacher born England
Frank Golmersall 17 apprentice moulder born Rhode island
William Golmersall 15 England
George F Golmersall 7 Rhode Island
Ben W Golmersall 5 Michigan
Charles A Golmersall    2 Michigan

Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: crisane on Monday 03 July 17 09:44 BST (UK)
Possible birth registration for the William born c1895 England in the 1900 US census previous post
   
William Gomersall Dec 1/4 1884 Oldham vol 8d page 628 Mother's maiden name Barrow    
Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: crisane on Monday 03 July 17 09:49 BST (UK)
There is a marriage - original image on familysearch May 1922
Ohio, County Marriages, 1774-1993 for Ben W Gomersall to Esther M Brand
 father Ben Gamersall mother Nancy Barrow.

Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: Philezra on Monday 03 July 17 09:55 BST (UK)
Brilliant stuff. Not sure if I have access to US census.

Interesting that William born in England 1895!

Waa completely caught out thinking Nancy was a widow in 1881.....

Thank you all - great find!!!

Phil
Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: crisane on Monday 03 July 17 09:56 BST (UK)
1910 US census
Delence St Toledo Ward 12, Lucas, Ohio
Ben Gomersall 51 Own income born England
Nancy Gomersall 52 born England
William Gomersall 25 core maker foundry born Rhode island
George Gomersall 17 Rhode Island
Ben W Gomersall 14 Michigan
Charles Gomersall 12 Michigan
Herbert Gomersall 4 Ohio
Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: heywood on Monday 03 July 17 09:56 BST (UK)
This seems to be the child Violetta in 1881 census

Lancashire BMD Violetea Gomersall, m m n Jackson.

GRO has the mother as Barrow though.
Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: crisane on Monday 03 July 17 10:02 BST (UK)
U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995
Year 1922
1019 Delence
Nancy Gomersall - (wid Benj)
Benj W Sten Chambers Valve Company
Frank Superintdant Railway materials Co
William - coremaker

I can't see them in the 1920 census as yet
Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: heywood on Monday 03 July 17 10:07 BST (UK)
Good finds crisane  :)
Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: crisane on Monday 03 July 17 10:16 BST (UK)
Thanks heywood
This looks like their return journey to US after the birth of William in England
Departed Liverpool
arrived New York 6 March 1886
Ben Gomersall 27
Nancy 27
Violeta 11
Frank 5
William 1

Rhode Island, State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1802-1945
Ben Gomersall
Record Type Petition 1888
Birth Date 1858
Birth Place Lancashire England
Arrival Date - 28 Feb 1882
At New York

Find A grave
Ben Gomersall
Birth Date 1858
Died 1912
Cemetery -Toledo Memorial Park
Burial or Cremation Place:    Sylvania, Lucas County, Ohio

Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: crisane on Monday 03 July 17 10:23 BST (UK)
1920 US census
Delence Street Toledo Ward 15, Lucas, Ohio
Nasey Gomersall 61 Naturalized England
William Gomersall 35 son England
Ben Gomersall    24 son Michigan
Herbert Gomersall 14 son Ohio
Charles Gomersall 22 son Michigan
Bessie Gomersall 23 daughter -in-law Rhode island
Edith Gomersall    2 months granddaughter Rhode Island

1930
Foraker Ave Toledo, Lucas, Ohio
Frank Gomersall 46 Rhode island Vice president Hardware Plumbing Supply Company
Katherine M Gomersall 46 Ohio
Esther M Gomersall 22 Ohio
Violetta K Gomersall 19 Ohio
Ben Gomersall 17 Ohio
Nancy Gomersall 72 Mother England

Nancy Gomersall
Death 8 July 1930
At Lucas, Ohio, USA
Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: Philezra on Monday 03 July 17 10:26 BST (UK)
Absolutely amazing stuff!!!!

May have to "upgrade" I think  :)

Seriously, it's wonderful what you have provided for me.

Thank you all so much.

Phil
Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: Christine53 on Monday 03 July 17 10:28 BST (UK)
Ohio death record for Ben Gomersall :

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X8DY-5FD

There are many US records available free on familysearch.
Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: shellyesq on Monday 03 July 17 18:17 BST (UK)
You can find the US federal census records for free on familysearch.org. 

Lots of vital records for this family there as well.  Various children's records here - http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kcc/  Wife Nancy's death here - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X6Z3-ZZP 

The Toledo library's obituary index has many of the family members listed - http://obits.toledolibrary.org/obits/  Some of the Toledo newspapers are online at Google News Archives - https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=8_tS2Vw13FcC
Title: Re: Missing death - Ben Gomersal
Post by: Philezra on Monday 03 July 17 18:32 BST (UK)
Simply incredible. I just did not realise what was available, especially the free US census info from familysearch.

Thank you for all the links - it's of an enormous help.

Best wishes

Phil