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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: RayMilBax on Tuesday 04 July 17 21:40 BST (UK)
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Hi
I wonder if anyone could help me with locating a John and Caroline Powell in the Aston/Birmingham area in 1901 and 1911 censuses.
I have information that confirms John was definitely alive after 1911 as one of his daughters (Louisa) got married in 1916 and he is not listed as deceased. Likewise one of his other daughters (Margaret) who married in 1904 he is not listed as deceased. On these 2 marriages and another son's marriage (John) in 1909 he is working as a Caster as his occupation.
In 1891 the family are living at 7 Emily Street in Aston, Birmingham and it shows Caroline on here also and another child called Frank only a few months old. Again he is a Caster as his occupation.
Strangely the only marriage I can find of a John Powell marrying a Caroline took place in 1876 and the age of him on this doesn't match or job although similar trade (Cabinet Maker). I have also found these 2 also on the 1891 census which also rules them out as the family is different from mine in 1891.
Plenty of answers required if anyone can assist and when they did marry if my marriage find appears to be correct that its not this one in 1876.
I did also find an army record enlistment for the 3rd Battalion Warwickshire Regiment from 1883 but although this one could match as it states Brass Caster as his occupation it states that he is single but John Powell (Junior) was born around 1881.
HELP! :D
Thanks
Phil
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Unfortunately we are not allowed to conduct 1911 look ups.
On the 1891 there is a Frank Powell, This would appear to be his birth -
Frank Powell
q2 1890, Aston
Vol 6d Page 236
Mother's maiden name - Foxall
JJ
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Thanks JJ
Completely slipped my mind about checking GRO - nice one :-)
Managed to confirm that the girls Margaret and Louisa match but not John Powell c1881
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This looks like John and Caroline on the 1881 - at Rea St Birmingham, boarding with Thomas William HILL and family.
John POWEL 21 Birmingham (Brass Caster)
Caroline 19 Birmingham
RG11/2985/14
There is a Thomas POWELL and Jane FOXALL on the same page married at West Bromwich Dec qtr 1884 (6b/1227). - very curious ???
Edited to add: I think actually the other chap on the page married Jane FOXALL (Edwin EARDLEY) as I can see them together in the 1891 census at West Bromwich, so not yours.
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There is also a John William POWELL birth registered Aston Sept qtr 1881 with no mother's maiden name recorded - a possibility if they weren't yet married?
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This looks like John Jr's birth:
POWELL, FRANCIS JOHN MMN: FOXALL - 1882 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM 6d/98
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Is this them in 1901 at Fox St Birmingham? (all born in Birmingham)
John Powell 28 (brass worker)
Caroline Powell 27
Margret Powell 2
Louisa Powell 1
Frank Powell (nephew) 6
John Powell (father) 50
Schedule 169 Page 32
Added: I'm only looking at a transcription, so not sure what the original looks like for the ages of the girls.
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This looks like John Jr's birth:
POWELL, FRANCIS JOHN MMN: FOXALL - 1882 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM 6d/98
Good find Jomot - I often forget to look with a 2nd name ;)
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Is this them in 1901 at Fox St Birmingham? (all born in Birmingham)
John Powell 28 (brass worker)
Caroline Powell 27
Margret Powell 2
Louisa Powell 1
Frank Powell (nephew) 6
John Powell (father) 50
Schedule 169 Page 32
Added: I'm only looking at a transcription, so not sure what the original looks like for the ages of the girls.
I'd looked at that one too but the ages are way out (transcript agrees with the image). Could just be an error by the enumerator I guess :-\
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Had a quick look and the only Margaret and Louisa POWELL's born around the right time in the Birmingham area to match the 1901 census have different mother's maiden names (Margaret b 1898 mmn COLEY and Louisa b 1901 mmn BURTON).
I suspect this could be the right family, but ages are very odd. ??? Still looking for a marriage ...
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Still looking for a marriage, however I think this may be Caroline - birth registered Oct qtr 1862 Birmingham, mmn SHAW. Baptism 9 Nov 1862 at ST CHad, Birmingham Father: Gulielmi FOXALL (William), Mother: Elizabeth Shaw FOXALL.
I think she is a pauper on the 1871 at Wolverhampton (GBC/1871/2941/0313)
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Thanks for your help Maddys52 and Jomot
I seem to have unearthed more questions than answers! Any additional help or matching up would be really appreciated. Hope to hear any further finds and finally some answers! :-)
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Hi
I have information that confirms John was definitely alive after 1911 as one of his daughters (Louisa) got married in 1916 and he is not listed as deceased. Likewise one of his other daughters (Margaret) who married in 1904 he is not listed as deceased. On these 2 marriages and another son's marriage (John) in 1909 he is working as a Caster as his occupation.
Just to say that there was no requirement to state whether the father was living or dead, so the lack of the word 'deceased' doesn't necessarily mean he was still alive - not that we can find him either way!
I don't suppose there were any helpful witness names on any of these marriages?
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Yes I know what you mean and that had crossed my mind. But all 3 of the children's marriages between 1904 and 1916 have him alive shall we say.
Also no witnesses of any note to assist either :'(
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Hi Phil, just wondering if you found any other info on John and Caroline? We too are stuck at the same spot. Cannot find the marriage or the family on the census years you mentioned. John would have been my great great grandad. Appreciate any info you could possibly share with us. We’ve been stuck at this point for years!
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Adding to Maddys52 post
1871 census Wolverhamton Staffs Work House
Elizabeth Foxall 30 mar --my notes (nee Shaw) born Birmingham
Harriet 12 (reg as Foxley 1859) Birmingham
Caroline 8 (1862) Birmingham
Louisa 6 (1864) Aston
Alfred 1 (1869 at Wolverhamton)
They also had
Joseph 1860 reg Rotherham Yorkshire
William Frederick 1867 reg Birmingham
1861 census Rotherham
William Foxall 24 Brass Caster born Birmingham
Elizabeth 20
Harriet 1
Joe 4 months born Yorkshire
James Foxall 18 - no relationship given
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James is William's younger brother.
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Hi Phil, are you related to this family or just doing research. Do you have an ancestry account?