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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: bugbear on Wednesday 05 July 17 16:02 BST (UK)
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In my tree I have a marriage between Ann Porter and Robert Womack; they had several children.
Robert then died, and Ann remarried, to one Thomas Newson.
I have found Thomas Newson's will, written in 26 Apr 1802, proved in 27 nov 1802 in the Norfolk Sources.
In it, he lists:
* Samuel Newson of Roydon, Farmer (no relationship stated)
* Two children, Thomas and William of his late brother William.
* Four Children (James, Mary, Thomas and "blank") of his brother James, a Weaver of North Lopham.
Clearly, with such a richly documented tree, I should have enough of a pattern to readily
find and recognise other documents. :)
Nope. ???
I have found Samuel Newson of Roydon; he shows nicely in a search of FreeReg;
He marries Mary Milton, 1789, has some children (Milton, Robert, Susan, Benjamin, Mary, Emma), and dies in 1806, aged 44 (so DOB around 1762).
I have not found any birth records for the 3 siblings Thomas, William and James, I have not found marriage records for William and James, and I have found none of William's and James' 6 children.
I haven't even found a burial for Thomas.
Can anyone do better?
BugBear
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I think I've found the deceased William, father of William and Thomas.
He was married in Melton Constable (!!!!) to a Susanna Newell, 1796, and they
moved back to Roydon, Diss.
Children:
William bap sep1797, bur dec1797
Thomas bap1798
William bap1800
Mary Anne bap1801 (not mentioned in will, poor lass).
William, the father, died 1802, buried in Roydon, aged 31 (->DOB 1771)
BugBear
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Courtesy of the BritishNewspaperArchive, I've found this truly fascinating piece of information:
The Ipswich Journal - Saturday 10 April 1802
"And also his son" No details at all. ???
BugBear
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Have you seen this? It *might* hold some clues.
Abstract of Administration of Samuel Newson, Farmer of Roydon, Norfolk
Reference: IR 26/392/351
Date: June 06 1806
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7238371
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I'm not sure that newspaper item is entirely correct.
Burials - Roydon
12 Apr 1802
William Newson, aged 31 years [est b1771]
Marianne Newson, aged 7 months
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Baptism - Diss
25 Nov 1770
William Newson
Father: Robert
Mother: -
Birth place: Palgrave
Denomination: Presbyterian
Edit: Added denomination
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I'm not sure that newspaper item is entirely correct.
Burials - Roydon
12 Apr 1802
William Newson, aged 31 years [est b1771]
Marianne Newson, aged 7 months
Ah - that's a perfect fit with Mary Anne (or Marianne) being omitted from the will.
BugBear
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Have you seen this? It *might* hold some clues.
Abstract of Administration of Samuel Newson, Farmer of Roydon, Norfolk
Reference: IR 26/392/351
Date: June 06 1806
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7238371
And it's in Norfolk Sources. I'll download it tomorrow.
BugBear
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This could just be a coincidence but worth following up...
Baptism - Diss
02 Nov 1766
Richard Newson
Father: Robert
Mother: -
Birth place: Palgrave
Denomination: Presbyterian
Baptisms - Roydon
08 Mar 1763
Thomas Newson
Father: Robert
Mother: Susan
12 Sep 1774
Elizabeth Newson
Father: Robert
Mother: Susan
31 Aug 1775
Elizabeth Newson
Father: Robert
Mother: Susan
Note: child was born 11th? August last
31 Jan 1773
James Newson
Father: Robert
Mother: Susanna
Note: 7 weeks old
22 Mar 1778
George Newson
Father: Robert
Mother: Susanna
There are a number of burials which look to be of this family in Roydon and Diss.
Also, who's this William? Could he be related?
Will of William Newson of Diss , Norfolk
Reference: PROB 11/1790/305
Date: 01 September 1831
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D245448
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Edit: Sorry, I just realised you'd already found these records.
Possible marriage for brother William and baptisms of his sons William and Thomas...
Marriage - Melton Constable
11 Oct 1796
William Newson, bach, Snetterton, Norfolk
Susanna Newell, spin, otp
wit: William Newell, Thomas Sary?, Anne Porter
by license
Baptisms - Roydon
03 Sep 1797
William Newson
Father: William
Mother: Susanna (late S Newell)
Note: his was buried 21 December 1797
07 Oct 1798
Thomas Newson
Father: William
Mother: Susanna
Notes: pr bap; received into church 16 June 1799
11 Apr 1800
William Newson
Father: William
Mother: Susanna (late Susannah Newell)
09 Aug 1801
Mary Ann Newson
Father: William
Mother: Susanna
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I forgot to add, that there's an entry in 1806 in the Roydon baptisms re. the children of the late Samuel Newson and his wife Mary being received into the church. It notes they had been baptised by a presbyterian clergyman. It names another child not on your list, Samuel born 1794.
If you haven't seen this let me know as it has the birth dates for all of the children.
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There is a monumental inscription at North Lopham, In memory of Thomas Newson died 7 June 1802 in his 39th year.
Granite stone, and angel and vase motif.
Is he yours?
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If this is correct then born about 1763
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Have you considered the following John Newson and Rebecca, they seem to be C of E and at times Presbyterian.
Esther bap 26 August 1761 of Diss (P)
John bap 31 August 1762 of Diss (P)
James bap 25 February 1765 (C of E) Diss, died ?
Richard bap 2 November 1766 (P) of Roydon
Samuel bap 23 October 1769 (C of E) Diss
William bap 25 November 1770 (P) of Roydon
James bap 29 July 1772 (C of E) Diss
Samuel married Mary and had their children baptized Presbyterian and after he died she had then all re-baptized C of E in 1806.
Letters of Admin 6 June 1806 he left no will, Norfolk Sources.
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Edit: Sorry, I just realised you'd already found these records.
Possible marriage for brother William and baptisms of his sons William and Thomas...
Marriage - Melton Constable
11 Oct 1796
William Newson, bach, Snetterton, Norfolk
Susanna Newell, spin, otp
wit: William Newell, Thomas Sary?, Anne Porter
by license
Given my first post, isn't the witness "Anne Porter" interesting?
(and not shown in the FreeReg transcription; where did you get that?)
There's a pattern here, and I will find it, piece by piece!
BugBear
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There is a monumental inscription at North Lopham, In memory of Thomas Newson died 7 June 1802 in his 39th year.
Granite stone, and angel and vase motif.
Is he yours?
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If this is correct then born about 1763
Yes, he's the Thomas Newson who's will started the whole thread. His age (and hence DOB) is very useful to me.
I know that South Lopham is included in the WI grave transcription project, available on familysearch, but North Lopham is not.
Where did you find the inscription please? I have a lot of family-tree in North Lopham.
BugBear
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I apologize should have sourced my reference, it's on the transcription website (NORS) of the Norfolk Family History Society, you have to be a member to access more than the index.
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I apologize should have sourced my reference, it's on the transcription website (NORS) of the Norfolk Family History Society, you have to be a member to access more than the index.
If they have a decent transcription of the monuments of Saint Nicholas, North Lopham that alone would justify me joining.
BugBear
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Marriage - Melton Constable
11 Oct 1796
William Newson, bach, Snetterton, Norfolk
Susanna Newell, spin, otp
wit: William Newell, Thomas Sary?, Anne Porter
by license
Given my first post, isn't the witness "Anne Porter" interesting?
(and not shown in the FreeReg transcription; where did you get that?)
It's from the scanned image, which is available on F M P.
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Marriage - Melton Constable
11 Oct 1796
William Newson, bach, Snetterton, Norfolk
Susanna Newell, spin, otp
wit: William Newell, Thomas Sary?, Anne Porter
by license
Given my first post, isn't the witness "Anne Porter" interesting?
(and not shown in the FreeReg transcription; where did you get that?)
It's from the scanned image, which is available on F M P.
Ah, thank you. It's also on the familysearch PR site. I currently have an ancen*y sub, a BNA sub, but not FindMyPast.
BugBear
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I forgot to add, that there's an entry in 1806 in the Roydon baptisms re. the children of the late Samuel Newson and his wife Mary being received into the church. It notes they had been baptised by a presbyterian clergyman. It names another child not on your list, Samuel born 1794.
If you haven't seen this let me know as it has the birth dates for all of the children.
I've downloaded and trasncribed this, thank you.
I've also found (on An*stry) the original Palgrave Unitarian Meeting House Baptisms.
BugBear
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Anne Porter, who married 1. Robert Womack in 1776, 2. Thomas Newson in 1790 and 3. James Murton in 1805, was the sister of my Great x3 grandfather Samuel Porter. Samuel Porter married Mary Newson in 1779 in Roydon and Mary Newson was the sister of the Thomas Newson who married Anne Porter. Confusing enough? Both Mary (b.1757) and Thomas (b.1763) were the children of Robert Newson and Susan Heath of Roydon. I have the ancestry of these Newsons traced back to the early 1500s in Suffolk and the ancestry of the Porters to the 1600s in Heigham and Foxley. You can contact
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I emailed (I think...); no reply?
BugBear
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"bjeep" appears to have placed his research on Geneanet, again as "bjeep".
Here's (for a start point) is "my" Anne Porter:
https://gw.geneanet.org/bjeep5555?lang=en&pz=john&nz=porter&p=ann&n=porter