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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: HmmS336 on Sunday 09 July 17 18:46 BST (UK)
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Hi Folks
I have yet to find a bmd cert or Parish entry for a direct ancestor. He is Alexander Fraser born - according to a baptism record of child 1855, in 1825.
I cannot find the baptism, or his marriage - year and place both on the same record. All in Kiltarlity, Alexander married Rebecca Chisholm in Camault Muir in 1849 . Are there records missing?
His death, is between 1891 and 1901 but having spent a heap of credits looking for the obvious contenders I will wait until I am next at the archives for more obscure entries.
It is the Parish registrar that puzzles me? ??? ???
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Hi ,
Could this be the marriage ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT5Z-682
ev
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Inverness Courier - 13 Apr 1897
Died at 26 Shore Street, Inverness on the 11th inst, Rebecca Chisholm, widow of the late Alex Fraser, Contractor. Deeply regretted. Funeral today (Tuesday) at 1 o'clock P.M to Kirkhill burying ground. All friends invited.
Perhaps they shared a common grave. Another avenue to follow.
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Is he the Alexander Fraser at Castle Wynd, Inverness on the 1891 Census?
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Yes, that is Alexander in the Castle wind 1891 - then Rebecca is a widow at the next census.
All deaths for this name with a five year give/take in Inverness has not turned up the correct one.
I am not sure if that is the correct entry for the marriage - these are two different churches - they are both still there.
The baptism entry in 1855- I will try to attach the snip.
Now the death in 1897 is not the one I thought was correct - this would make her 16 when married ( young but not impossible) I went with the 1908 one? I will check the 1901 census to see if I am sure she was alive then or I may have to look at that death to see who was the witness. It was a neighbour in the one I bought! I cannot go by the parents as I dont have a baptism for her either
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Try again!
Update - I was wrong - I had the wrong cert! So this was her at Shore street - the son lived at Castle Street! So at 64 when she died - yikes that means the age 1855 is wrong too for her birth, plus all the census! So more likely wrong age given at death registration. As for her parents no further forward as - just a line Chisholm is given, for both mother and father.
Thanks for your help.
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1855 is when daughter Ann was born https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYGJ-NXS (btw, the cert you have is for a statutory birth not a baptism).
Which of their children are you connected to?
Monica
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Possible entry from SP for Rebecca's christening from the parish registers in Kitarlity:
REBEKA CHISHOLM, parents HUGH CHISHOLM/MARY FRASER
21/08/1828
Can't easily see her though in 1841 :-\
Monica
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I wonder if this may be Rebecca?
CHISHOLM REBECCA
1841
15
092/ 10/ 3
Boleskine and Abertarff or Fort Aug
Inverness
Annie
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1855 is when daughter Ann was born https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYGJ-NXS (btw, the cert you have is for a statutory birth not a baptism).
Which of their children are you connected to?
Monica
My mistake - I meant ScotlandsPeople entry.
I now think there are mistakes galore in this part of the tree - due to the huge number of similar names of similar age, living in Inverness and surrounding area. Of course it is possible that the census entries I thought were them may not be. The death I initially had for Rebecca Chisholm was also widowed to an Alexander Chisholm - with age in the right area you would not look further would you!!!???
Especially, as Rebeccas in the correct entry is 64yo in 1897 - the census that I assume correct has her at 65yo in 1891. (Hence going with the older widow who died some years later)
I need to re check everything on the lives of Rebecca and Alexander, I have that possible birth in notes, I think I then found the wrong marriage so thought the birth was wrong. Yikes! I must go back and start again!!!
So with Scottish naming pattern if the first born is Hugh - who was he named after?
I have eight children for the family, if correct and I am from Hugh.
Oh, Rosinish - where are your Bowies from? I have a connection with Nairn?
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Sounds like you are on the right track.
There is another couple showing in the censuses, Alexander and Barbara Fraser living in Kirkhill. From 1861:
Alexander Fraser 46 general lab b. Kirkhill
Rebeca Fraser 40 b. Kitarlity
Betty Fraser 16
Jessie Fraser 14
Ann Fraser 12
John Fraser 10
Christina Fraser 6
John Fraser 2
Address: Millifiach, Kirkhill, Inverness
Can't make out from the FS birth index what the maiden name of the mother Rebecca may be :-\
At the same time, you have the family with Hugh in 1861 (you have this but just for more info here):
Alexander Fraser 36 agr lab b. Kitarlity
Rebecca Fraser 31 b. Kitarlity
Hugh Fraser 10
James Fraser 7
Annie Fraser 5
Alexander Fraser 2
John Fraser 4 Months
Address: Private House, Kilmorack, Inverness
If you check one of the birth certs from children born in the 1860s, these should include date and place of parents' marriage. This info was re introduced on birth certs from early 1860s. This would let you reconfirm details on marriage, although it looks like Ev has found a reference to it already (either banns or the actual marriage).
Mary 1863 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYR7-N4C
Isabella Eliza 1865 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYR7-FYV
Rebecca Chisholm 1868 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYPJ-BGQ
Monica :)
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Did you view and discount this death for an Alexander?
Alexander FRASER, 60, 1891 ref 101/ 21 in Kitarlity
Also this one:
Alexander FRASER, 63, 1893 ref 098/ 477 in Inverness
Monica
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Oh, Rosinish - where are your Bowies from? I have a connection with Nairn?
South Uist, Inverness-shire (atm) as I have no marriage nor baptism for my Flora Bowie!
Born c1770 married to Neil MacIntyre b c1770 no death dates & never likely to find them ::)
Their children were all born (I assume) South Uist?
Their daughter Ann (possibly eldest of 3 children that I am almost certain of) was my 3 x g g/mother who was b c1786 - 1792 & died 1876 South Uist.
Sorry....that's all I know although I have the descendants of Ann's brother Donald who died 1855 South Uist & descendants of a likely sister Mary who died c1851 - 1855.
Annie
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Monica, that was the death I had thought to be my Rebecca Fraser - she died at Millifiach. Her parents were John Chisholm and Janet Fraser! Hence why I thought this to be 'My Rebecca'! It was also their marriage I had first but could not understand the huge gap till Hugh was born - 10 years!
So the birth of Rebecca Chisholm Fraser in 1868 - shows the marriage to be Kiltarlity on January 12th 1850? I shall attach it. So does not quite match with either Ev's family search entry or the 1855 birth cert of Ann? Do you think its the FS one?
You live and learn!
I have paid for 6 certs of Alexander :'( (neither of those though) in my search but think that the one here is the correct one , 1897 at Shore Street but will do some checks first.
Out of interest - can one cross check the family search references at Scotlands People? There were 3 Mary Frasers born in Kiltarlity in 1863 - thankfully the other two names are single entries. I was just wondering? The joys of tracing my Frasers!
Thank you once again.
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Sadly you cannot cross reference entries on the FS index and those from SP as there is no releationship between them...wish we could!
Let us know how you get on :)
Monica
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So the birth of Rebecca Chisholm Fraser in 1868 - shows the marriage to be Kiltarlity on January 12th 1850? I shall attach it. So does not quite match with either Ev's family search entry or the 1855 birth cert of Ann? Do you think its the FS one?
Sometimes the marriage date showing on birth certs can be inaccurate. You could check other birth certs but I would say that Ev's entry from earlier is likely to be the one https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT5Z-682
I have now found the maiden name of other Rebecca who married an Alexander Fraser from her marriage showing on SP: Rebecca CHISHOLM and Alexr. FRASER 24/12/1841 ref 103/20 127 in Kirkhill. This would be the Rebecca that you first found a death entry for at Millifiach given this is where that family were living in later years.
Would be good if you found the correct Alexander Fraser's death between 1891-97 to help you move back with more confidence.
Monica
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Well a wee update - I think I have the year and I thought it was Inverness but there are now no unpaid for 'possibles' I should have waited until I hear back, I was just too keen. ::)
I got this from the Am baile site - i have asked for the article- the last time I used it - it took a few days so I will just have to bide my time!!!
Abstract: Fraser, Alexander, contractor, 30 Castle Street, Inverness
Newspaper: Scottish Highlander
Publication Date: Thursday 18 May, 1893
Page/Column Ref.: 1A
Subject: People > Deaths
Article ID: 70709
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And so it is! He died from congestion of the lungs and death reported by his son Alexander. Age a little out... Bad news though...son did not know the names of his paternal grandparents :-\
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And so it is! He died from congestion of the lungs and death reported by his son Alexander. Age a little out... Bad news though...son did not know the names of his paternal grandparents :-\
Thank you Monica (again ;D) - the cert I bought last night was the 63yo, his real age was according the census and the 1855 birth of Ann cert was 68. A bit out, 8 years - hence my adding to coffers of SP with buying the wrong certs! Down mainly to so many of that name and with a 10 year range between the census years.
Disappointing that no parents - does not surprise me though - another of the birth certs, Isabella, did not have parents marriage on it either! I will make do with 1850 and will check for Mary when next at the Archives. It will not gain me much, any way.
Thank you - its been a long trek! :)