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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: brianz on Monday 10 July 17 14:04 BST (UK)
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I have a will dated 1813 for a William Hannam of Bermondsey London in which he has made various bequests. Two of these bequests are to his sister Ann Barker and his brother Richard Hannam both of Greenhill in the county of York. Below is a copy of part of the will, the problem I have is that I cannot find a location for Greenhill. The only one I found was near Norton in Sheffield, Can anyone help or suggest an alternative.
Survivors Upon Trust to sell and dispose of the same
as soon as conveniently may be after my decease and to pay out third
part of the money arising therefrom unto my Sister Ann Barker of
Greenhill in the County of York and the remaining two third parts thereof
unto my Brother Richard Hannam of Greenhill aforesaid And I direct
that the Receipt of my said Trustees and their Survivors shall be a sufficient
Thanks
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There is a Greenhill which is part of Sheffield.
Emeltom
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From this page at GENUKI: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/G.html
it appears that there's a Greenhill in Bingley, though following the links through, it seems to be a single house: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Bingley/more.html
I wondered if there might be any part of Yorkshire where the surname Hannam was particularly common, so I had a look on FamilySearch. There were a lot of entries around Pateley Bridge, which made me wonder if it could be a misspelling of Greenhow Hill. This was mainly a lead-mining community.
There won't be many lead miners in Bermondsey, but I wonder if your William's occupation might give any clues to his origins and connections?
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Thanks arthurk, the writing on the will is fairly clear (see extract) that is not to say Greenhow Hill is not a possibility. William whose will it is, is described as a Gentleman, I have been unable to find his occupation if in fact he had one. I would imagine that the family he had in York's moved up there.
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Hi, I searched for Richard Hannam and Greenhill.
Greenhill Chapel in Bradford Moor Yorkshire.
His address was 5 Greenhill Street.
May be earlier years it was just Greenhill.
Looked for Ann who had the married name Baker, no results.
That's the closest I got.
Maggsie
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Thanks Maggsie. That's great I was beginning to wonder if he existed, now I know he did and Ann cannot be far behind.
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Hi,
Just found............
John Barker, ooops I put Baker.
John must have married Ann, John was a clerk to Richard and Richard was an Attorney, in Mattersey Nottinghamshire in 1800.
Still can't find the marriage.
Are you in Ancestry?
Maggsie
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Thanks Maggsie.
Now I really am confused, I know the Richard you are referring too very well and he was never to my knowledge living in Bradford Moor and I have a fairly complete picture of his life.
He belongs to another tree of mine that I am trying to link to. He did however indenture one John Barker as a Clerk in Feb 1800. What date was the info about Richard living at Greenhill? The problem with our family is that we have too many Richards and Williams
I do have Ancestry and also FindMyPast
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Ah yes, too many repeats of the same name. I have the same trouble.
This Richard's father was Davis William Hannam, this Richards marriage n 1926, this was the Greenhill Street records. Just noticed above there was another record showing a lady in Greenhill House in the same town.
Maggsie
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Thanks Maggie
That info changes things, it looks like this is the wrong one. the Richard I am looking for was born circa 1760 which would make him a very old man in 1926 when he married
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They must have been related, to actually trace them back would take a while to do.
I will see if I can connect them before the summer holidays start.
Maggsie
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Thanks arthurk, the writing on the will is fairly clear (see extract) that is not to say Greenhow Hill is not a possibility. William whose will it is, is described as a Gentleman, I have been unable to find his occupation if in fact he had one. I would imagine that the family he had in York's moved up there.
As you say, the writing is clear, and the fact that Greenhill occurs twice may suggest that it's not a mistake.
Anyway, given that he's described as a gentleman, I suspect that they'd be almost as rare in Greenhow Hill as lead miners in Bermondsey. (I know it was his brother and sister in Greenhill, but the fact that they were both there might mean it's where the family came from.)
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Thanks arthurk
The only other info I have on his family is, Parents were Benjamin Hannam and Ann Pidle married 11th Oct 1743 London Middlesex (Clandestine). They had about 8 children born between 1747 and 1802 including either 2 or 3 Williams
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Thanks arthurk
The only other info I have on his family is, Parents were Benjamin Hannam and Ann Pidle married 11th Oct 1743 London Middlesex (Clandestine). They had about 8 children born between 1747 and 1802 including either 2 or 3 Williams
Still puzzling with this, but in the meantime, even if Benjamin was fathering children until 1802, they couldn't all have been with the same wife.
As others have pointed out, there are Hannams in the Retford/Mattersey area, but that's Nottinghamshire (although it was then in the Diocese of York). I'm not convinced by Greenhill on the edge of Sheffield, as that was in Derbyshire until 1934 (according to Wikipedia).
I haven't had any success in finding Richard, other than a possible probate for one in Retford in 1838 (burial transcript has him as Esqr). But I wonder - did William's father leave a will, and could that have any clues about the mystery place?
Incidentally, in William's will I notice that his brother has the surname spelt HANNAN. There's also a good friend William Hannam whom he makes executor.
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I had not noticed the spread of dates for Benjamin, I agree can't all be one and the same wife.
All the Richard Hannam's around Retford belong to my main tree and their families are all accounted for.
I agree with you regarding Greenhill, Sheffield it was in Derbyshire until quite recently.
The two Richard Hannams residing in Worksop and surrounding area were both solicitors/attorneys,the elder Richard serving his indenture mainly in Westminster and was also the father of the younger Richard b. 1793, which is where my search began, as you can see William who died in 1823 was also a solicitor, and had offices at Piazza Chambers, Covent Garden around the same time. I was convinced that with the name Hannam and the proximity of the two solicitors there must be a family link somewhere but so far I have been unable to find it.
There are many different spellings of the name Hannam this is probably just one of them.