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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Deesider on Tuesday 11 July 17 13:59 BST (UK)
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Hi Can anybody Help?
I am having difficulties with the Massachusets marriage indexes on a well known subscription website.
I have been told that a Walter Adley married a Mary Molloy in Boston. The 1940 US Federal Census confirms that Walter Adley was in Boston and his wife's forename was Mary.
When I look in the Massachusetts Marrage index for Walter Audley and Mary Molloy I get the following:
Adley Walter F Boston 1938 Vol 10 Page 60
Molloy Mary E Boston 1938 Vol 19 Page 123
Surely if the above two people married should not the Volume and page numbers be the same? But read on !!
Looking for the grave of Walter F Adley I find that he was born in 1917 and died on 3rd June 2007 at Fox Hill Cemetery Billerica, Massachusetts and is described as the husband of the late Catherine E (Emmert) Adley.
So he had a second wife. Searching the Massachusetts Marriage index again I get:
Adley Mary G (Molloy) Boston 1952 vol 9 page 518
Adley Walter F Boston 1952 vol 14 page 559
Adley Walter F Everett 1952 vol 40 page407
I presume the first entry above is his first wife remarrying; but why are there two entries for Walter F Adley is this two different people with the same name getting married at two different places or is it one person called Walter F Adley getting married and his marriage is recorded in two different places?
Also why cannot I find in the indexes a marriage for a Catherine E Emmert?
Can any one help in explaining the above information from the Massachusetts marriage indexes
Thanks in anticipation of your help
Regards
The Wirral Way
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I can't explain the marriage indexes, but I found a snippet of an obituary for one of the sons of Walter F Adley Sr and Mary (Molloy) Manfra. In 1990, his parents were still alive as well as his stepmother Catherine (Emmert) Adley.
I found the "snippet" trying an internet search with:
"walter f adley" "south boston"
Update: Catherine passed away in 1992
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Perhaps Walter and Catherine did not marry in Massachusetts, or, could this have been a second marriage for her (so, she may not have been listed as Catherine Emmert)?
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I found her previous marriage. I don't like to include "recent" mid-1900's and later information, so I will send it by pm. ;)
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...but why are there two entries for Walter F Adley is this two different people with the same name getting married at two different places or is it one person called Walter F Adley getting married and his marriage is recorded in two different places?...
Looking on the internet a bit, but not yet finding any real statement...
It is possible that one record was for the town in which they were married, and possibly the other record was sent to the "Secretary of the Commonwealth" (Boston?).
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Hi Lisa in California,
Thanks for your replies. I will check a few things out based on what you have said in your replies and get back to you.
I will await your p m
Regards
The Wirral Way
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I sent it at "20:17"; I just copied the original message and sent it again. Hopefully, you will receive it this time. ;)
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Hi Lisa in California,
Having re read your messages and thought about them I would make the following observations:
In your first reply you refer to the obituary of one of the sons of Walter F Adley and Mary (Molloy) Manfra. It would seem that Joseph R Manfra was the second Husband of Mary Adley (Molloy) as the Massachusetts Marriage indexes have
Adley Mary G (Molloy) 1952 Volume 9 page 518
Manfra Joseph R 1952 Volume 9 page 518
and that is what I would have expected both partmers of the marriage having the same volume and page number in the index.
I suspect that Walter and Catherine did marry in Massachusetts as I have two references to a Walter F Adley marrying in 1952 in Massachusetts. I hope your private message will give me her surname so that I can find it in the indexes.
With regards to the two marriage places for Walter F Adley in 1952 Everett is a separate city only 4 miles north Boston. I was wondering if Walter was living in Boston and Catherine in Everett and as a result their marriage was recorded in both places.
Regards
The Wirral Way
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Hi Lisa in California,
I have received your pm (both copies)
Regards
The Wirral Way
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Hi My name is Michael Adley from New York.
Walter F Adley and Mary Molloy of Boston Massachusetts are my grandparents on my Father's side (Walter F Adley Jr).
Catherine Emmett is my step Grandmother.
I typed out a very long history breaking it all down...and it was lost when it asked for security...Let me know if you want more info. I am happy to share. I loved both of them very much, they were amazing grandparent, I miss them and want to know more of our history...a fragmented family, but we were all close, but sheltered from our deep roots.
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Hi Can anybody Help?
So he had a second wife. Searching the Massachusetts Marriage index again I get:
Adley Walter F Boston 1952 vol 14 page 559
Adley Walter F Everett 1952 vol 40 page407
why are there two entries for Walter F Adley is this two different people with the same name getting married at two different places or is it one person called Walter F Adley getting married and his marriage is recorded in two different places?
I can explain this part, and will look at the rest of the thread to see if I can find anything else.
Massachusetts registers the marriage in the town the marriage took place and in the town where the parties lived. I've never seen one registered in 3 places, but have seen many registered in 2. In this case they might have married in Everett, but either Walter or his bride were living in Boston. Or the other way around.
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Welcome to Rootschat Michael
The Boston Globe Boston, Massachusetts
4 Jun 2007, Mon Page 16
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/60680771/obituary-for-walter-f-adley/
Sandra
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Obituary Catherine Adley
The Boston Globe Boston, Massachusetts 1 Jun 1992, Mon Page 20
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/60681036/catherine-adley-1-june-1992/
Sandra
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Obituary John E Adley
The Boston Globe Boston, Massachusetts
4 Oct 1990, Thu Page 58
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/60686248/john-e-adley-4-octiber-1990/
Sandra
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Hi Michael,
I am the originator of the this thread back in July 2017. I am also a member of the 'Guild of One Name Studies' ( www.one-name.org ). The surname I am studying is 'Audley'. I believe that the 'Adley' surname is a variant of the 'Audley' surname (or vice versa) particularly when looking back to County Galway in Ireland. There are of course other origins to both surnames.
All my research into the Audley Surname (including how it links to the Adley surname) is freely available on both of my websites. I suggest you look at www.audley.one-name.net and look for 'Audley Family M' download the 'Audley Family M' file and search for {M279} I believe he is your Grandfather, and I believe {M301} is your father.
Living in England I have little access to US records after the 1941 census and whilst I know a little of your family, it may help you recover the information that you lost. I would also appreciate any information and or photographs, that you would be prepared to allow me to place on my website. It is only with the help of people like you, and responders to my questions on Rootschat that my website has become what it is.
If you wish to discuss this further that is great, we can either do it through Rootschat or if you contact me through my website and then we can exchange e-mails.
Regards
Brian