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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Elliven on Wednesday 12 July 17 00:13 BST (UK)
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I am looking for information on the Pace family in Burnopfield particularly George Pace who is known to have been a publican in 1856 and Richard Pace who was also a publican in 1894 - possibly father and son. Many thanks.
Elliven
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What kind of information?
The 1871 and 1881 censuses are free on Family Search
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01egx/
Did Richard marry? Does his marriage cert show his father as George?
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You have posted on the Durham board but isn't Burnopfield in Newcastle - Northumberland?
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I am trying to identify anything at all about them, they are mystery men in the village but, because of their trade, they should have been well known. Other than the dates I have found in trade directories, I have drawn a complete blank.
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I have Ion's family, but mine were from Whitechapel, Essex and Lambeth Surrey
Have a couple of DNA matches to descendants of my Thomas Ion (c1767 - 1849)
Cheers Colin
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Hello CaroleW
Burnopfield has a Newcastle post code but it is very much in County Durham. Until a couple of years ago it was in the District of Derwentside but reverted to County Durham when the unitary council came into being
Elliven
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Hello Kiwicol,
Until tonight I would have thought that a very unusual name to find up here but I have found several in County Durham and more still on the Northumberland side of the river. They could well have moved here from the south but that would have to be in the late 1700s/early 1800s. I am desperately trying for a link of any kind.
Elliven
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Other than the dates I have found in trade directories, I have drawn a complete blank.
There is a 34yr old Richard Pace occ innkeeper on the 1891 census for Tanfield Durham. Birthplace Calverley which is Yorkshire not Durham as shown on image. Address is Queens Head Inn and next address down is Burnopfield
RG12 Piece 4087 Folio 37 Page 16
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Carole W,
That is him! I know that it is the same man because the occupation is right, the village is right and the name of the Inn is right! My problem is that there is no trace of an inn by that name in the village! Burnopfield was also in Tanfield Chapelry at that time. However, I can only assume that the inn must have either closed down or changed its name. There are a few old inns and closed inns in the village and there was once two breweries there but none of the local historians have ever heard of the Queens Head - yet yours is the second source to mention it today.
Elliven
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Hello CaroleW
Would the reference numbers you quoted me lead to a street address not just the name of the inn? I am totally out of my depth here as I normally research buildings not people.
Elliven
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Other than the dates I have found in trade directories, I have drawn a complete blank.
There is a 34yr old Richard Pace occ innkeeper on the 1891 census for Tanfield Durham. Birthplace Calverley which is Yorkshire not Durham as shown on image. Address is Queens Head Inn and next address down is Burnopfield
RG12 Piece 4087 Folio 37 Page 16
Hi Carole, looking at the image, Richard Pace's birthplace is actually Collierley, which was most definitely in County Durham.
Possible birth from free BMD, Richard Pace, b. 1st q. 1857, Durham 10a, 208
Would the reference numbers you quoted me lead to a street address not just the name of the inn?
The reference number will take you to the relevant page of the 1891 census, which will show you all the entries on that page, including that for Richard Pace and family. The first entries on the page simply show Burnopfield. Then there is the Queen's Head Inn, followed again by Burnopfield.
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Hello JenB,
That is very interesting because Collierley Dykes is one of the three villages which merged to form what is now Dipton where I live! It is also only two miles - an easy walk - from High Friarside and Burnopfield.
Elliven
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There are a couple of references to Richard Pace in the newspapers.
Northern Echo, 10 September 1895 refers to '....Richard Pace, landlord of the Queens Head Inn, a beerhouse at Burnopfield......' being fined for allowing betting on licensed premises.
The same incident is related in more detail in the Durham County Advertiser of 13 September 1895. There are several references to the incident taking place in Richard Pace's house.
My feeling is that he was simply operating a beerhouse from home.
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Hello JenB,
Can I purchase copies of these articles and, if so, where? This is very interesting indeed because he started life as a miner and by the 1901 Census he was back in the mines. I think it is likely that he either lost his licence or was sacked by the owner - possibly for persistent offences. I know that it was an actual pub not a licence from his front room because I have traced the most recent owner who says when he bought it, it still had proper beer cellars.
Elliven
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I know that it was an actual pub not a licence from his front room because I have traced the most recent owner who says when he bought it, it still had proper beer cellars
I'm a bit confused by this, as I had the impression from your earlier posts that you didn't know where the Inn was?
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I have found this out today on the local facebook site. The item was seen by a man and his wife (independently!) who have just recently sold the property. Until that moment, I had no idea where it was. Someone else had suggested a totally different site.
Elliven
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Are you willing to share where it was?
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Yes, that's the whole point of what I am doing!
It is now a private house at No 14 Busty Bank, Burnopfield - right in the centre of the old part of the village. I have just been informed that it used to be known as "The Grapes" That is another lost pub and if true it has been there since at least 1816. Most of the houses in the older part were built in the 19th Century so it is possible.
Elliven
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It is now a private house at No 14 Busty Bank, Burnopfield - right in the centre of the old part of the village.
Looks nice (thanks to Google streetview)
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Yes, imagine my surprise when I had been looking for it (and failed to find it) a couple of years ago. When I found it today I realised it was next door to the vets that I have used for years!
Elliven