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I am looking for any birth information on Thomas Casey bc 1760 South Benfleet - the spelling may vary a great deal.
On a family tree he is down as a child of Thomas Carsye / Cary b. abt 1724 and Ann (Thorpe-le-Soken), however, I have a record that shows that Ann died before that date,
Ann Carye buried 24th December 1751 wife of Thomas.Thorpe-le-Soken
Any help welcome
Thanks Val Newman
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Looked at the baptism South Benfleet on SEAX, Essex Record Office on line parish registers.
There is no family by the name of Casey.
There is one named Caystor in 1760 but they had a daughter Mary. Checked 5 years before and after
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Thank you for your time and effort, not sure where to go from here
Thanks again Val
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Were they non conformists? I could only check C of E.
What evidence do you have that he is the correct Thomas Casey/Carye? that you are looking for.
Tell us (rootschatters) the last proof positive information you have and we will see if we can help.
You have the death of Ann Carye correct at Thorpe Le Soken.
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This is what I have, I am helping a friend and can find no marriage or birth. The surname varies from Cary to Kearsey which does not help. I was thinking that maybe he came from Ireland as there is supposed to be an Irish ancestor
Thomas Casey/ Kersey
Born 1760 going on age at burial
Buried 16th July 1837 aged 77 Thorpe-le-Soken Essex
Married Ann Smith abt. 1785 An Ann Cassey aged 72 in 1841
Children :
Elizabeth Ann Pizy Chr 19th October 1788 Thorpe-le-Soken Essex
Thomas Pizzey/ Casey Bap 18th April 1790 Thorpe-le-Soken Essex
Died as an infant
James Keasy /Casey Bap 30th January 1791 Thorpe-le-Soken Essex
Thomas Casey Bap 12th May 1793 Thorpe-le-Soken Essex
Joseph Casey / Koasy Chr 12th May 1793/4
Edward Kasey bc 1795
William Casey abt. 1796 buried 15th April 1800 Thorpe-le-Soken Essex
George Casey Bap 23rd April 1797 Thorpe-le-Soken Essex
John Casey bc 1802 died as an infant buried 21st February 1802 Thorpe-le-Soken Essex
George Kersey bap.15th September 1805 Thorpe-le-Soken Essex
John Casey bc 1808 died as an infant buried 2nd April 1808 Thorpe-le-Soken Essex
A John Creasy Buried 19th October 1808
Mary Kersey bap. 22nd April 1810 Thorpe-le-Soken Essex
Thank you Val Newman
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Afternoon Val
It appears they were married in All Saints, Dovercourt on 24.11.1787
Thomas of Dovercourt and Ann (a minor) from Thorpe (her father who gave his consent, is recorded as Joseph Smith). There is no reference to South Benfleet.
I can see no baptisms for then in Dovercourt, and I can see no baptism for Thomas there.
Regarding the baptisms in Thorpe I can see no reason to connect them to your Thomas and Ann.
All of the Caseys were baptised as Casey, no other spelling.
I couldn't find a record for Edward, nor the birth of William.
John who was buried in 1802 was not recorded as an infant, and I can find no baptism around that time so suggest he might not have been one of their children.
I can also find no record of George 1807.
Mark
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Hi Mark, Thank you for that information.
I have tried to work backwards from the Kearsey I know using BMD and census records . It would appear they moved about a bit and family squabbles caused name changes etc,when some moved to Kent. There appear to be records from a number different of parishes in Essex, so will just keep trying.
Thank you so much for your time and great effort
Val Newman
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Essex Record Office ref D/APsW 1/177 Will of Joseph Smith the Elder of Thorpe Le Soken, Husbandman.
Written 26 June 1806 Proved 26 July 1813.
Mentions sons John Smith, Joseph Smith, Samuel Smith, daughter Elizabeth Balam, Grand daughters Elizabeth Balam and Mary Porter and SON IN LAW Thomas Kasey.
There is your connection!!!
By the way on your list Thomas Casey 12 May 1793 it's a typo he doesn't exist., Joseph for the same date does.
I agree with Olliem that the death of John Casey 23 February 1802 does not say he is an infant notably because all other children on the pages are identified.
I did find a George Kersey baptized 15 September 1805 of Thomas and Ann.
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Despite reading my earlier message a few times before pushing the POST button, I didn't make it clear that I meant to say I can find no connections with the Pizzey baptisms, apart from their having the same parents' names.
Mark
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Went back and checked the register again.
No Edward born/baptized 1795
William buried 15 April 1808 was not identified as a infant/child so more likely an adult.
John buried 2 April 1808 is identified as an infant.
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I did learn that despite it sounding mediterrenean Pizzey is actually an anglo-saxon name, from the village of Pusey in Berkshire.
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Thorpe Le Soken register
Joseph Smith and Susannah nee ?
Elizabeth baptized 8 October 1769
Ann bap 31 March 1771
Joseph bap 21 March 1773
Sarah bap 28 May 1775
John bap 30 November 1777
Joseph bap 30 April 1786.
I did not find Samuel, as Joseph and Susannah did not marry at Thorpe perhaps he was baptized
in her church as was often the case for first born children.
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Thank you both again for all of the research time and effort you have put in on my behalf.
I will go through all of the information you have given me and sort through my notes etc.
Great effort and much appreciated.
Val Newman
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I did find this information about a Thomas Casey May be I have the wrong person although children were sometimes baptized at a later date.
Thomas Casey Bap 12th May 1793 Thorpe-le-Soken Essex
Son of Thomas & Ann
Occupation : Agricultural Labourer
Died 27th October 1848 Kirby le Soken
Married Elizabeth (Hubbard ) died 11th January 1853.
Children :
1 : Jemima Casey bc 1810 buried 1st July 1812 Kirby Essex
2 : Elizabeth Casey bc 1813 buried 4th April 1814 Kirby Essex
3 : Daniel Hubbard Casey bc 1816 Kirby Essex
4 : Thomas Casey bc 1816 Kirby, Essex, aged 41 Agricultural Labourer in 1851
5 : John Casey bc 1819 Kirby, Essex buried 29th May 1822,Kirby
6 : John Casey bc 1822 Kirby, Essex, aged 28 in 1851 Farm Labourer ( wife Susan)
7 : Thomas Casey bc 1823 died after 1841 Kirby, Essex,
8 : Mary Ann Casey b. June Qtr. 1844, Tendring Essex aged 7 in 1851
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These tie in with the trascribed records for Caseys on freereg:
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/59707465f493fd8f72eec2a6
Mark
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Hi Mark
I found this record
Joseph Smith Married Susanna Leapidge 1768 Maldon All Saints & St Peter Essex
Also children but not happy about if they belong with Joseph & Susanna.
It seems a bit late in the day.
What are your thoughts
Samuel Smith Chr. 10th June 1792 Great Waltham
Sarah Smith Chr. 10th September 1793 Great Waltham
Thomas Smith Chr. 15th December 1799 Little Waltham
Also William would have about 4 when he died in 1800 and not an infant. There appears to be a gap in the baptism records as far as I can see.
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I personally think it unlikely.
The 1760s was not a time of great mobility, nobody moved because they wanted to, moving was associated with employment and as most people were aglabs there was usually plenty of employment within your or adjoining parishes.
Maldon, to Gt Yeldham to Thorpe Le Soken doesn't really make any sense to me.
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Thanks for that feedback.
As Thomas was 27 and Ann only 16 at the time of the marriage would he have owned property of some kind and would Thomas and Joseph had mutual benefit from the arrangement.
Is there anywhere I could look to see if Thomas left a will.
Thanks Val
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Hi Val
They married by licence and not by banns, details of licences in general below
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Marriage_Allegations,_Bonds_and_Licences_in_England_and_Wales
This is a transcript of the licence/allegation:
"The marriage allegation was swarm before William Cowper, Surrogate, stated that Thomas Casey was a husbandman and appeared personally, he made oath that he was of the Parish of Dovercourt, bachelor, aged 21 and upwards & intended to marry Ann Smith of Thorpe, a spinster and minor by & with the consent of Joseph Smith, her natural & lawful father. Joseph appeared personally. The marriage was solemnised on 24th November 1787."
I found the transcript of My Heritage, and checked the source on SEAX. The tree on MH is managed by someone called Kearsey who appears to live in USA and may be a descendent of Thomas, have sent him a message.
My understanding of husbandman is that he was a tenant farmer, above an aglab but below a landowner.
There may be a will but I can't find it.
Mark
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Hi Mark,
I found this description of Husbandman which varies a little from your info.
A husbandman in England in the medieval and early modern period was a free tenant farmer or small landowner. The social status of a husbandman was below that of a yeoman. The meaning of "husband" in this term is "master of house" rather than "married man".
Val
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I have spoken to the descendent of Thomas, he has gone no further back than the marriage of Thomas and Ann.
He is descended from their son James, who moved to Fringringhoe, then South Benfleet and then Colchester.
Mark
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Essex Record Office
Settlement Papers ref 169/13/1
Thomas Kasey from Kirby le Soken to Thorpe W+4 (wife plus 4 children) dated 1795
Examinations ref 169/13/4
Joseph Casey 1816 from Kirby Le Soken to Thorpe
These are not digitized so I cannot tell you what information they have, however from previous
enquires you will get the name of the wife of Thomas Kasey and all 4 children. (Settlement Papers)
As for Joseph Casey- 1816 he could be the son of Thomas who went back to Kirby le Soken and due to circumstances needed to come back to Thorpe. Examinations often have detailed notes of when born to whom to verify belonging to a village or town.
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Thank you both for all of your help. story goes that both sides of the family came from Wicklow County Ireland a couple of generations ago, it may be that Thomas came from there. I have checked a number of bap. parish records and still not able to find his birth. My sister-in -law's partner also comes down from James.
Think this will have to close my enquiry. Thanks again for all of your support
Val Newman
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You are welcome.
A word of caution follow the facts not family stories they get embellished over time.
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I would echo amondg's sentiments.
The Kersey surname is a habitational name from the village of Kersey in Suffolk, 23 miles from Thorpe le Soken, indeed its spelling in the Doomesday Book was Caresia, from an earlier Caerse ey.
See http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Kersey
In the late 1700's the parish priest would have been 1 of the few people in the parish to be literate and would have written the surname as he heard it, the Suffolk/North Essex accent is even now quite pronounced and would have been even more so in the 1700's.
Mark
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I will check the name out in the Kersey Village. I managed to locate some Kersey names in the late 1500's and early 1600 in Essex but have not follow them through.
I am a bit like a terrier who refuses to let go
Cheers Val
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Hi Mark,
I recently found this record but I do not think there is any way to verify the details :-
Thomas Kersey Bap 29th September 1760 Debenham
Father Thomas, mother Hannah
Father Thomas buried 13th April 1760, 5 months before Thomas is born.
Hannah Kersey, widow, married Samuel Abott 17th September 1766
Witnesses Robert Abbott and Charles Clodd
However, there are 3 Thomas Kersey buried, no age given
14th July 1764, 26th January 1790 & 30th December 1792
No marriage record found here.
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I think you are going too far away too soon.
Looking on freereg for Casey and all its various versions the families to tend to congregate in the northwest corner of Essex (clearly this does not take into account that the volunteer transcribers of parish records may focus on rural areas)
Irish migration to Gt Britain didn't really take off until 1818, and then the pull was to seaports or large industrial towns, you are not likely to migrate from poverty in the Irish countryside to poverty in the English countryside.
Mark
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And you can see the marks of Thomas Casey and Joseph Smith here!
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YS2F-ZJP?cat=279372
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Thanks for your feed back and very happy to get original info
Val
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You're welcome.
Burial of an Anne Casey, 26 July 1818, Kirby le Soken (BT)
age 46
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSL6-6CL?i=425&cat=495942
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Can some one explain this record for me please.
A Thomas Casey Sherwin Kersey buried 16th July 1838 Thorpe –le- Soken
Item 9 p 67 1702602
I found him in the parish records as shown below only the year was 1837
Buried Thomas Casey 16th July 1837 aged 77 Thorpe-le-Soken Essex
Thomas Casey also under Thomas Kersey
Buried Thomas Kersey buried 16th July 1837 aged 77 Thorpe-le-Soken Essex
also under Thomas Casey
Should I be looking for a Sherwin Kersey ?
thanks Val
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It has been mistranscribed
It actually says Thomas Casey, otherwise, Kersey
Otherwise= also known as
Mark
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And it was definitely 1837
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Who is
Thomas Casey Sherwin Kersey any ideas
Val (Australia)
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Who is
Thomas Casey Sherwin Kersey any ideas
No Sherwin, the word is otherwise, as explained by Mark.
You could take advantage of the good fortune of that death occurring in the very first month of civil registration, and order the certificate. The name of the informant may be helpful (possibly!)
Item 9 on microfilm 1702602 is Bishops Transcripts for Thorpe le Soken, and it is from the BT that the error in the year comes from!
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-65SP-5D?i=2533&cc=1465710&cat=519247
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Thank you both for putting my mind at rest
Val