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Hi,
Just looking for some advice. Can't seem to find a birth entry for my G G Grandfather Robert Henry Griffiths. On all census records, military record and marriage it states birth abt 1874 in Swansea. But I can't find anything to confirm. On the marriage cert it states his father as Robert Griffiths and deceased - this was 1896. He lived mainly in Pontypridd but also Pontypool and Maerdy. He died in 1933 Llwynypia Hospital. Any advice where to look next greatly received!
Thanks
Deborah
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It is possible that his birth was never registered, the registration system was tightened up in the late 1870's
Have you any idea of his mothers name, did he have siblings whose births were registered
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Hi,
Unfortunately I have little information about him, no known siblings or Mothers surname. Only his Father's.
Thanks for responding.
Deborah
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Could you please show us where you have him on census - who did he marry
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Is this the marriage in 1895
Marriages Sep 1895
Griffiths Robert Henry
Williams Margaret Jane
Pontypridd 11a 757
It might seem strange to you when you are after a birth registration that I am asking about census /marriage but sometimes this information does help us track down people.
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If the above is correct this is the family in 1901
RG13/4944 f79 p27
Robert Griffiths 28 Coal miner bn Swansea
Margaret J Griffiths 24 bn Treherbert
Sarah A Griffiths 6 bn Mardy
Margaret M Griffiths 4 bn Tylerstown
Thomas H Griffiths 1 bn Pontypool
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1881 - ??
1891 - Penn St, Merthyr Tydfil Lodger
John Evans, Amy Evans
1895 - Marriage to Margaret Jane
Williams Pontypridd
1901 - Gibson Square, Pontypool Head
Margaret Griffiths, Sarah Ann
Griffiths, Margaret Mary
Griffiths, Thomas Henry
Griffiths
1911 - 42 Lewis Terrace, Pontypridd
Head, Margaret, Sarah,
Margaret, Thomas, Die,
Susannah, Rachel et al.
Thanks
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Thank you Deborah
Hopefully some of those with a better knowledge of Wales & its villages will be along to help out. What period was he in the military
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His Militia attestation states SWB 3rd Battalion Dec 1892.
Thank you for your help - I never question what I'm asked still very much a novice! :)
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There is a Robert Griffiths Dec 1894 Swansea Vol 11A page 971 mother's maiden name Holmes
He may have acquired the 'Henry' after registration, have you found any 'Holmes' visitors on census?
Good luck
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Hi Deb,
If he died in Llwynypia hospital that would be the Rhondda area. He is not buried in a near local cem (Trealaw) try contact library at Pontypridd or Aberdare (Google for info) to see if burial record is within local area. They are very helpful. Pontypridd reg district covered a large area.
Cas
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Hi
LLwynypia is in Rhondda Fawr( Big) Maerdy is in Rhondda Fach (small) There is a cemetary close by called Penrhys close to Ystrad Rhondda or it could be Treorchy Cemetary at the top of the Rhondda Valley
Heddwch
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Hi,
Going by the attestation info, Robert states he is 19yr 1 month old at end December 1892 and gives a birth year of 1873.
This may be a complete red herring, but the only one to come up Dec Q 1873 with names Robert Henry is this one. As mentioned he may not have been registered.
BYRON, ROBERT HENRY Mmn GRIFFITHS
GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 669
Not finding a Byron/Griffiths marriage for parents, death or census for the above, within area or timeframe.
Just a thought for the maybe list. Not a lot with surname Byron in Swansea or surrounding area.
Who were the witness on marriage cert and what was his address? It may help.
Cas
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In case it helps there is another birth reg for Byron mmn Griffiths
BYRON, ELIZABETH JANE mmn GRIFFITHS
1871 March Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 635
I can't see the family anywhere either ::)
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details from the marriage 23 Sept 1895 in the parish church of Ystradyfodwg, address for bride and groom given as 48 Pentre Road, Mardy. Margaret Jane's father noted as Henry Williams, collier, Robert Henry's as Robert Griffiths, collier, deceased. Witnesses David Davies & Margaret Daniel who both made their mark.
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1891 census
48 Pentre Road RG12/4430 folio 109 pg 55
Robert Griffiths head mar 45 coal miner b. Aberystwyth, Cards
Sarah wife 49 b. Aberystwyth
+ 3 lodgers
1881 census Druid Village, Melindwr, Cards RG11/5449 folio 44 pg 6
Robert Griffiths head mar 35 lead miner
Sarah wife 40
Robert H son 8
all born Melindwr
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if this is Robert senior's death reg, he was recently deceased at the time of the marriage
Robert Griffiths 50 sept qtr 1895 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 280
Possible marriage
Robert Griffiths march qtr 1875 Aberystwyth vol 11b pg 77 with Sarah Howells on the same page
But if this is family, why does Robert Henry say he was born in Swansea if he was born in Cardiganshire?
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Hi
I finally got around to ordering Robert's birth certificate - to explore the Byron possibility. It states his dob as 23/11/1873 which matches up with his attestation. His mother is named as Margaret Byron nee Griffiths and father George Byron. They lived at 20 well street Swansea.
Problem is I can't find any other records to prove this theory, only one I can find is a poor/work house entry for a George Byron on his own dob 1828 from Well Street. Would you recommend any other avenue to explore? I cannot find any of them on the 1881 census, no marriage etc. There is a Margaret Daniels detailed on Roberts marriage certificate but I can't find a link.
Thanks in advance!
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Possible Long shot..was Robert Henry raised by his uncle? Cannot find a birth reg in Aberystwyth to match 1881 census where he is named as son, found by Osprey. MELIN-DWR., a township in Llanbadarn-fawr parish, Cardigan; on the river Rheidol, near Aberystwyth.
Possible 1851 census
Llanbadarn Fawr, Cardiganshire, Wales
Registration District Aberystwyth
Residence High Street
HO107 Piece/Folio 2485 / 283 pg 20
Margaret Griffiths Head F 47 Llangawsai, Cardiganshire
Thomas Griffiths Son M 25 Llangawsai, Cardiganshire
John Griffiths Son M 23 Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire
William Griffiths Son M 22 Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire
Mary Griffiths Daughter F 20 Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire
Jane Griffiths Daughter F 15 Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire
Margaret Griffiths Daughter F 6 Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire ******
Robert Griffiths Son M 4 Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire ******
Richard E Griffiths Son M 2 Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire
Plus 2 servants
The birth reg in Swansea for Robert H Byron could possibly be the correct one, considering birth dates match up. Maybe he was raised by Margarets' brother? Just a thought...
Cas
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This is possibly Robert senior who died 1895, I would contact Pontypridd Library and ask for a copy of the internment, via email if not in area, to see if correct and gleen more info, possible address or if any other family in same plot etc.
They have a very good family history reference library and from experience are very helpful.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/132945477/robert-griffiths.
https://www.rctcbc.gov.uk/EN/Resident/Libraries/Librarylocationsandopeninghours/PontypriddLibrary.aspx
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Thank you - I'll explore these possibilities. Thinking outside the box.
Deb
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Update - well it seems you guys were spot on. Thank you so much! I explored the death of Robert Griffiths 1895 in Pontypridd and the address on the death cert was the same address on Robert Henry Griffith's marriage cert. Hoorah! I can also see Robert Griffiths (senior) and Sarah on the census in Pontypridd in 1891.
I have found a marriage for Robert & Sarah in 1875 in Aberystwyth which proves that Robert Henry was either adopted by them, born out of wedlock or has a different parent(s) as he was born in 1873.
I have found a possible family link in Aberystwyth Llanbadarn Fawr, Robert Snr did have a sister Margaret a few years older than himself. But I am finding it hard to prove a link between Maragret/Swansea/George Byron. which would tie everything up.
Does anyone have any ideas where I could turn next please?
Thank you in advance.