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Hi I am trying to confirm a Marriage between Richard Spinner and Ann burvill around 1777 in Kent.
These are the parents of Sarah Spinner who married William Arnold 1807 in Sandwich st clements. William and Sarah had a son John Arnold.
I am still trying to Confirm William Arnolds Parents - possibly born Sandwich Kent
Any help on this much appreciated x
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It's on familysearch (which should always be your first port of call):
Richard Spinner married Ann Burvill 10/4/1779 Worth, Kent.
Annette
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Thank You
So i have two possible parents for William, its either:
William Arnold and Mary Garner from Lyminge or Richard Arnold and Ann from Worth
but I am not sure - really stuck
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Thank You
So i have two possible parents for William, its either:
William Arnold and Mary Garner from Lyminge or Richard Arnold and Ann from Worth
but I am not sure - really stuck
Where do you get these possible sets of parents?
William Arnold 55 (i.e. bc.1773) buried 15/11/1828 Sandwich, Kent
Surely this must be his baptism:
William Arnold bp.3/4/1774 Sandwich, son of Richard and Cate
Richard Arnold married Catherine Sayer 23/10/1773 Sandwich.
Annette
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There is also this baptism at Worth,
1779 Oct 17 William s/o Richard & Ann ARNOLD
muddying the waters!
Tony
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A possible marriage for Richard Arnold at Ripple,
1779 June 12 Richard Arnold (Bachelor, Labourer) of Sutton and Ann Stokes of the Parish.
Maybe ???
Tony
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I think it is worth noting that, for a short period around 1750, the name Arnold appears to change to Arnell on the Worth Register!
Tony
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Firstly, thank you for help,
Hi Annette7,
The two possible parents:
William Arnell
mentioned in the record of William Arnell and Mary Garner
Name
William Arnell
Spouse's Name
Mary Garner
Event Date
21 Sep 1777
Event Place
Church Of England, Westbere, Kent, England
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1779 June 12 Richard Arnold (Bachelor, Labourer) of Sutton and Ann Stokes of the Parish.
Richard Arnold
Spouse's Name Ann Stokes
Event Date 12 Jun 1779
Event Place Parish Church Of Ripple, Kent, England
Citing this Record
Redtonyt also picked on the above (mudddy waters) so here are the two possibilities. Any advice on how to decide which set of parents are the correct ones would be greatly appreciated xx
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Annette,
Thinking about it, your findings belows make a potential 3rd set of possible parents.
Kind regards Sarah
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To clarify William Arnell and Mary Garner, the marriage took place at Swingfield and not Westbere. This is one of the problems associated with Family Search Films. I know of at least one thread on RootsChat where this duplication has been discussed!
For information Mary Garner was of Swingfield and William Arnell was from Hawkinge. Their son William was baptised at Swingfield, in 1781.
Now to the problem ref deciding on the right parents. It is not easy unless there is some very good evidence such as a maiden name being used as a given name. However, searching for such (or some other substansive detail) is quite arduous.
All I can say, on a quick look, is that the William Arnold born 1784 at St Peter, Sandwich appears to marry Mary Ansell (at St Clement) in 1808. I base this on one small piece of evidence that, William had a younger sister Margaret and one of the witnesses (at his marriage) was a Margaret Arnold. In no way definitive, but does indicate the possibility.
Not a great help I am afraid.
Tony
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But if William was bc.1773 (as shown on burial) surely the 1779 and 1781 baptisms can't be him.
He married in Sandwich, died in Sandwich, and there's a baptism in Sandwich for the right timeframe so would seem logical to me that he is indeed the William bp.1774, son of Richard and Cate.
Annette
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Yes Annette I believe your right, I have found the same information. I believe also that i have found there children William George John and Richard all born in sandwich.
I think i may have found a babtism for Richard senior at Lyminge 12th of April 1755 and his mother shows as Elizabeth Arnold father John Arnold
and also a death for Richard 11 August 1816 in Kent.
Your thoughts on the above info greatly appreciated to see if I am on the right track.
Sarah xx
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For information, the only two baptisms for children of William and Sarah Arnold, at St Clement, Sandwich,
1809 Nov 5 John s/o William & Sarah Arnold, bn 18 October.
1813 Aug 1 William s/o William & Sarah Arnold, bn 27 June, Stonar, Labourer.
Tony
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Thank you for your help Tony x
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Is your family the Arnold's of Chislet? If so, there are two further baptisms in that Parish to William and Sarah as,
1816 Mar 3 Mary Anne d/o William & Sarah Arnold - Farmer.
1818 May 31 Sarah Elisabeth d/o William & Sarah Arnold - Farmer.
William buried at Chislet as,
1827 Nov 13 William Arnold - aged 44.
Sarah survived much longer and was buried at Chislet as,
1865 Aug 17 Sarah Arnold - aged 84 - from St Alphege, Canterbury.
Tony ???
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Thanks so much Tony, I have the same information and its nice that you have confirmed that as well.
I did not however have the daughter Sarah Elisabeth 1818.
I have now found William (1774) parents Richard Arnold (1755) from Lyminge and Catherine Sayer.
Also William had Richard (1776) John (1778) and George (1780) all from Lyminge.
Catherine is spelt with a K on the certificate.
Now I am looking for any details I can for Richard Arnold and Catherine
Also I believe I may have found Richards Parents and his brothers and sisters, but im trying to confirm this
Parents John Arnold and Elisabeth Beer (Note the spelling of her name with an s) married 27th March 1749
Children
Richard Arnold baptised 12.04.1755
Mary Arnold baptised 19.04.1760
Elisabeth Arnold baptised 26.06.1757
John Arnold baptised 22.03.1753
All baptised in Lyminge
Sadly there is a burial John Arnold 13.12.1761 at Lyminge Father John Mother Elizabeth. If this is one of the above children, then he would have been about 8 years old.
Is there anyway of finding out how he died?