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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: bernice52 on Monday 17 July 17 05:34 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help I have come across a problem of finding the Parents / birth record of Frank Yeoman ELLERY
I believe he was born Dec 1899 to parents William Larkins ELLERY & Rachel Harriet Morton
any enlightenment greatly appreciated
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There is a Frank Yeoman ELLERY who died at Te Aroha on 5/2/1924, aged 1 year 7 months, the son of James Yeoman ELLERY and Ethel ELLERY.
https://billiongraves.com/grave/person/14222042
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There is also this death, which you doubtlessly have.
1979/29543 Ellery Frank Yeoman 16 December 1899
Edited to add.....have you bought his death printout? It should contain his parents' names.
His probate is also available, at the Auckland Archives.
https://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=13084673
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Sorry, I should have said we have his marriage in 1821
and death in 1979 with a birthdate of Dec 1899 as just advised below
I haven't found the connection to this young Frank, altho his father is James Yeoman Ellery jnr, born the year before Frank perhaps William Larkin & James Yeoman snr were brothers?
any advice welcome
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James Yeoman ELLERY's birth
1888/7748 Ellery James Yeoman Jane James
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All of the registered births for Jane and James ELLERY
Registration Number Family Name Given Name(s) Mother's Given
Name(s) Father's Given
Name(s) Still Birth
1884/10751 Ellery Benjamin Jane James
1886/9952 Ellery Gertrude Jane James
1888/7748 Ellery James Yeoman Jane James
1891/13346 Ellery Margaret Frances Amy Jane James
1894/2428 Ellery Walter Charles Jane James
1896/4427 Ellery Harold Joseph Jane James
William Larkin ELLERY was 48 at his death in 1924, therefore born around 1876.
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Cemetery details for Frank (1979).....
http://www.purewa.co.nz/view/?id=81542
Minniehaha.
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Children found for William Larkin & Rachel Harriet.........
Are some possibly late registrations?? Or different couples?
1925/16057 Ellery James Rachel Harriet William Larkin
1911/1353 Ellery Morton Rachel Harriet William Larkin
1903/6473 Ellery Thomas Harry Rachel Harriet William Larkin
1905/2398 Ellery Aidan Raphata Rachel Harriet William Larkin
1916/24420 Ellery Gweneth Joyce Rachel Harriet William Larkin
[Marriage of William & Rachel]:
1898/1184 Rachel Harriet Morton William Larkins Ellery
Minniehaha.
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Hi
May explain the name yeoman http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/SURNAMES/1999-02/0919296321
Muss
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Thanks John
for the James Jane family but I had realized they didn't fit
I also dont know who William Larkin Ellery parents are?
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sorry Minnehaha
as well as death on BMD I should have said both he and brother were Purewa Cremations altho his funeral service was in Otahuhu either RC or Holy church
Cheers
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Does his marriage printout not have his parents' names?
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I haven't received it yet
cheers
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Hi
Obit for Jane Ellery https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19350906.2.120?query=jane Ellery
Muss
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Here is the will of William Larkin(s) Ellery...
Somewhere among the pages I read that he was born in Thames.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSSP-R9DN-9?i=159&cc=1865481
Minniehaha.
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This is the birth for James and the 1861 census:
ELLERY, JAMES YEOMAN mmn YEOMAN
1852 D Quarter in FALMOUTH UNION Volume 05C Page 201
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7Z3-VMD
Still at home on the '71: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJD-NKQ
Jamjar
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Hi Jamjar
James and Jane are NOT the Ellery family we are researching
I have the children of William Larkins & Rachel Harriet Ellery but 1st born William James 1888 and 2nd son Frank Yeoman 1889 are not on the BMD or birth fiche so this has created a mystery needing to be solved and I tried to get more infgormation on william Larkins Ellery parentage and came up blank too
as an adult He was a miner in Mackaytown & Karangahake Thames area
cheers
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Yes, Bernice, I realise this. However, I was checking to see if William may have been in the same household as you had said: "perhaps William Larkin & James Yeoman snr were brothers."
Jamjar
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[Marriage of William & Rachel]:
1898/1184 Rachel Harriet Morton William Larkins Ellery
I have the children of William Larkins & Rachel Harriet Ellery but 1st born William James 1888 and 2nd son Frank Yeoman 1889
So you are looking for a first marriage for William, possibly, yes?
Do you have evidence that he was in the country pre 1888?
Jamjar
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After that comment i was given James Y Ellery family which didn't have a William Larkins Ellery
thanks bernice
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Quote......
"Do you have evidence that he was in the country pre 1898?
Jamjar"
See reply #14. Born in Thames.
Minniehaha.
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sorry my error Jamjar
WJ born 1898
FY born 12 dec 1899 on BMD death
got my #'s mixed up
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Hi Bernice11152,
You might want to correct the spelling error in the subject line of your original post. ;)
Members are able to edit their posts for the first twenty four hours after posting.
Spades
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Many thanks I hadn't realized my mistake there
cheers Bernice
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Wedding Notice for Frank Yeoman ELLERY - second s/o Mr and Mrs W. ELLERY late of Karangahake.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19220220.2.4?query=frank%20ellery
~ Lu
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I have just received the marriage print out and definitely son of William Larkins & Rachel née Morton.
but as birth is not on the fiche either .
I can only presume something happened to not register his birth his father was mining at Mackay town & Karangahake at the time.
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I have the children of William Larkins & Rachel Harriet Ellery but 1st born William James 1888* and 2nd son Frank Yeoman 1889* are not on the BMD or birth fiche ....
Note: * Corrected in a later reply by author to read (years) 1898 and 1899
Birth - NZ BDM
1925 / 16057 - ELLERY - James
Parents : William Larkin and Rachel Harriet
[Note: As given in Reply # 7 - with question "were any of the births to this couple, late registrations" ? ]
This James ELLERY reg. 1925, appears to be the "William James" of 1898. ???
His date of birth > as deduced from the birth registration listing at NZ BDM (online) > was
24 August 1898.
William Larkin ELLERY married Rachel Harriet MORTON on 18 May 1898.
~ Lu
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Hi Bernice
... hadn't read your last message when I added my last post.
It does seem that the parents missed registering the births of their first two children. That sort of thing did happen back then.
The matter is sometimes rectified later > often by the "unregistered child" themselves > when they need a birth certificate or form of identification [as is probably the case with the James ELLERY registered in 1925.]
~ Lu
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Hi Minihaha & Lu
When I did a birth search for years 1898-1900 James still comes up so I do think it it thye 1st son but why no Frank is the Q then I looked a wiliam Larkins Will and cant see were it says he was born in Karangahake or Thames so I think he may be part of the other family but cant find in either NZ Cornwall or Australia
any help on that?
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Hi Minihaha & Lu
When I did a birth search for years 1898-1900 James still comes up so I do think it it thye 1st son but why no Frank is the Q then I looked a wiliam Larkins Will and cant see were it says he was born in Karangahake or Thames so I think he may be part of the other family but cant find in either NZ Cornwall or Australia
any help on that?
Here is the will of William Larkin(s) Ellery...
Somewhere among the pages I read that he was born in Thames.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSSP-R9DN-9?i=159&cc=1865481
Minniehaha.
Go to image 166; it is here the place of his birth is shown.
Minniehaha.
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Part quote from reply #2…..
"perhaps William Larkin & James Yeoman snr were brothers?"
[Bernice although you feel some of the information being provided by us appears be irrelevant, it does not hurt to keep an open mind on the matter. :) Sometimes we have to go "all around the houses" to get there in the end.]
From the WW1 file of James Yeoman Ellery:
http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE13820960
The father of the above James was also named James Yeoman Ellery, born England, deceased. [Image 11]
One child at that time:
His death......
2000/615 Ellery Clifford David 31 December 1917
Minniehaha.
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I had a great deal of difficulty loading that page Minehaha so thanks for the link, James and Jane Snr married 1882 so cant be Williams parents (b 1876 ? from death age for 48 in 1924)
I am open and perhaps it can be 1 of james brothers instead so will check others out thanks
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Will of William Larkins ELLERY another contradiction is on the cover pages it refers to him as a "Settler" doesn't that indicate he came to NZ from overseas?
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Will of William Larkins ELLERY another contradiction is on the cover pages it refers to him as a "Settler" doesn't that indicate he came to NZ from overseas?
Well, yes ...and ... no. ;D [And it's always good to question these things. ]
Generally it refers to a person who has say, come from another country or area, with the intention of settling (longterm) in a particular place.
Interestingly, on the 1919 electoral roll for Manukau (Auck.) William L. is listed as "engineer". ;)
[Sometimes the term "settler" was used for a long-term resident of a place, by others > e.g. a solicitor / a journalist, etc. > when an accurate "job description or occupation" was not available or forthcoming. ]
~ Lu
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Hi Bernice
Just wanted to add that I do have some new information re: William L. ELLERY.
It does though require a lot more searching (and elimination) on my part ... will add it here when I have it sorted.
~ Lu
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Much appreciated Lu Look forward to it many thanks
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Sorry I didn't see the previous post about clarification of settler and he did have a lawyer as administrator who probably did that title and leaving Karangahake for Otahuhu could qualify
thanks again
its good to get another's viewpoint
cheers
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Still awaiting the information from Lu so haven't had completion of this post yet
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I'll need to read back through this thread before adding anything further. ;)
~ Lu
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Thanks for the update Lu
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bernice ... have read through thread again and not sure why I didn't post the info for "William L. ELLERY" ??
Will try and re-discover what it was. May take a while.
~ Lu
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Ok thanks very much Lu
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Hi Lu
we were trying to find out who Williams parents were? possible mother Larkins
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Thanks Bernice
... have now managed to locate most of the info I'd gathered previously. ;D
There's rather a lot to post so will place it in this thread just as soon as I have a reasonable amount of time to allow that. :D
~ Lu
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Hi Bernice
UPDATE: I haven't forgotten about this ... still seeking information / confirmation re: one or two persons ... will post here when that is to hand. ;)
~ Lu
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many thanks for the update Lu
Cheers Bernice
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UPDATE A reply from Lu is still pending altho the time needed to do this means it could be a while before it is posted thanks
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Hi Bernice
Have sent you a message outlining the key points relating to the search for William Larkin ELLERY ... just to make it easier to follow all the information I will post here shortly.
~ Lu
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Thanks John
for the James Jane family but I had realized they didn't fit
I also dont know who William Larkin Ellery parents are?
Hi Bernice
Always thought it was a good idea to delve further into the family of Jane & James ELLERY, mainly because of the link to the "YEOMAN" name. ;)
Although there are some ELLERY-related "trees" published online, most are repetitious; none give any real helpful information. And, William Larkin ELLERY does not feature in any of them. ;D
But looking at the 1935 Obituary of Jane RAMSAY (formerly ELLERY, nee BAKER) [see Muss's link at Reply 13 - page 2 ] Edited to add link provided by Muss earlier >
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19350906.2.120
... the first-named of Jane's surviving children was a "Mrs F. RICHARDS (Auckland)".
However, her daughter Gertrude, who'd married a "Frederick Samuel RICHARDS" (1908), had pre-deceased her mother.
So who was "Mrs F. RICHARDS" ??
Gertrude RICHARDS (nee ELLERY died 1913) and in 1914 her widower Frederick Samuel RICHARDS, married an "Ellen DAISLEY (or DAISLY)".
Ellen DAISLEY it transpired, was also fairly recently widowed, had in 1896 wed William DAISLEY as Ellen ELLERY :o
So who was this Ellen ELLERY. ???
The funeral notice (April 1913) for Gertrude RICHARDS tells that she is the 2nd daughter of Jane and the late James ELLERY of Te Aroha .... and at the foot of this notice
... the funeral for Gertrude will leave the residence of her sister (Mrs DAISLEY), Commercial Road, Arch Hill [Auckland].
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19130410.2.79.2
~ Lu
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Burial record for Gertrude Richards
Date of death 9 April 1913
Age at death 26
Gender Female
Region West
Cemetery name Waikumete Cemetery
Plot location Anglican Division F Row 5, Plot 53
Interment type Burial
Date of burial 11 April 1913
Funeral director Tj Mcivor
Additional information
Comments: Iro Gertrude Richards Passed Away 10Th April 1913 Also Her Blvd Sister Ellen Richards Passed Away 5Th April 1952 Loved By All.
Cheers Janette
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Burial record for Ellen Richards
Date of death 5 April 1952
Age at death 77
Gender Female
Region West
Cemetery name Waikumete Cemetery
Plot location Anglican Division F Row 5, Plot 53
Interment type Ashes Burial
Date of burial 10 April 1952
Funeral director Watney Sibuns And Sons Limited
Additional information
Comments: Cremated 7/4/1952 / Dr Wagstaff Campbell Rd / Dr Drury Ponsonby Rtfd 8/4/52
Cheers Janette
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William Larkin ELLERY - continued :
So as well as the death notice for Gertrude RICHARDS indicating she and Ellen DAISLEY were sisters, and were the daughters of Jane and James ELLERY, In Memorium notices published in later years show that Gertrude was also the loving sister and sister-in-law of "W. and R. ELLERY" (who are presumably "William Larkin and Rachel ELLERY" ?? )
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19150410.2.2.5
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Gertrude RICHARDS and Ellen RICHARDS are buried together at Waikumete Cemetery, Auckland :
Their headstone inscription reads :
"In remembrance of Gertrude RICHARDS passed away 10 April 1913. ALSO her sister, Ellen RICHARDS passed away 5 April 1952. Loved by all. "
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NZ Death Index
1952/ 29916 - RICHARDS - Ellen - 77 years
[born circa 1875 ]
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So this Ellen was born before the 1882 marriage of her Mother Jane to James ELLERY.
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William Larkin ELLERY
Hi Bernice ... now returning to William L.
NZ Birth Index has the following births which were all registered at Thames.
1874 / 33409 - GRINTER - Harry
Parents : Jenney and Robert
1875 / 13422 - GRINTER - Ellen
Parents : Jenny and Robert
[Date of Birth (deduced from online birth index) is = 15 October 1875 ]
1878 / 632 - GRINTER - William Larkin
Parents : Fanny and Robert
Born on 24 December 1877 - registered in the next quarter = Jan-Mar 1878
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Although the mother's names in each of the above registrations are given differently, I believe that they probably all are for the same woman "Jenny" ("Fanny" is possibly a transcription error ?).
"Jenny" is also a diminutive of the forename "Jane". ;)
I haven't (yet) found a marriage (in NZ or elsewhere) for the couple Jenny and Robert / or Jane and Robert.
I'm of the view that William Larkin GRINTER is the son of Jane, later ELLERY, later RAMSAY.
[Possibly only the 1878 birth printout for this child, will (correctly) confirm the maiden name of his mother ?
We are only supposing that the Jane who married James ELLERY 1882, had the maiden name of BAKER and that that wasn't a former married name ? (despite what her Obit has to say.)]
And, I'm also fairly certain that the Ellen GRINTER birth registered 1875, is Ellen ELLERY - m. DAISLEY - m. RICHARDS -died 1952 - daughter of Jane ELLERY (RAMSAY).
[The child Harry GRINTER died as an infant (aged 3 Months) and was buried 30 September 1874 as Henry GRINTER at Shortland Cemetery, Thames. Other burials in same plot seem to be unrelated family-wise ? ]
~ Lu
I have a good deal of information for Robert GRINTER which is to follow. > >
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Robert GRINTER [named as father on birth registration for William Larkin GRINTER ] :
Robert GRINTER - ex Dorsetshire, England, arrived as an immigrant to Canterbury per the "William Miles" in August 1860. He was 19 years of age and described as "schoolmaster".
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTHQ-YZ7?i=19&cc=1609792
"Schoolmaster" may not have been his regular or former occupation ? (sometimes such an appointment was made for the duration of the voyage and came with a smallish payment for services rendered).
Once in Canterbury, Robert GRINTER leased some land and was in partnership, farming with another young Dorset man, Robert ROWE who'd travelled on the same ship.
Some time after that partnership was dissolved (end of 1864), Robert GRINTER moved to the North Island where he engaged in a number of other activities.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LT18641215.2.26.6
~ Lu
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this is fantastic deduction Lu
I had tried maiden name Larkin+(s) but no way would have even considered this outcome
thank you so very much for all the time
cheers Bernice
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I have just ordered William Larkin GRINTERS birth so will post details here in abt a weeks time
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Hi Bernice
Have still got a lot more to post. ;D
Good idea ordering the birth printout and I look forward to learning of its contents. ;)
We really need to sort out this Jane BAKER or Jenny, or whatever her name was. It bugs me that I can't find a jolly thing for her. I'm always a tad skeptical about info published in obituaries too - sometimes it can be "way off the mark" factually.
~ Lu
PS: Have a possible explanation for the LARKIN name also - will add this soon.
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Although this is out of sequence with events, just adding now the Probate file (1935) for Jane RAMSAY (formerly ELLERY) which I will refer to later.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9HF-G994?i=269&cc=1865481
~ Lu
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Robert GRINTER :
Timeline
1860 - August - arrives at Lyttleton per "William Miles" (see earlier link given).
1864 - Claim to have name on Electoral roll for County of Cheviot (Canterbury). Has leasehold land in the Township of Ashley - Section 3164.
Nov. 1864 - Notice of Dissolution of farming partnership with Robert ROWE.
1867 - appears at local Court and is fined 8s for driving 8 head of cattle through the city during prohibited hours. "Press" (Christchurch) 26 July 1867
1868 - Places advertisement offering reward, for lost Silver Lever Hunting watch in Lyttelton Times - 3 April 1868.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LT18680403.2.2.7
Later in 1868 he can be found on the Mining Database apply for a Miner's Right at Karaka, Thames District.
http://www.kaelewis.com/
Will just point out also, that there are a wealth of records for GRINTER and ELLERY, at The Treasury website, Thames.
http://www.thetreasury.org.nz/research.htm
> scroll down this page to the The Treasury Index and type in surname you wish to research.
Having said that though, there is a charge for obtaining info from the site ... and quite a lot of it I'd already found via PapersPast. [Same with School records - I don't have immediate access to these but can get them if you wish. ]
~ Lu continues next > >
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will look forward to the Larkin connection possibility too
Many thank for all you are doing
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Robert GRINTER :
Timeline -- continued
If he's away "mining" then he may have "been off the radar" for a while ?
However in June 1875 a newspaper notice appears re: Applications for gold mining rights.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THA18750618.2.11.3
Under "Schedule # 60, are the following names >
Robert GRINTER / William LARKINS* / William JENNINGS .... and several others.
In another advertisement > 1875 I think > (and I've misplaced the link to it - will find later) - under the heading of "El Dorado Mining Co." the following shareholders and their places of abode etc., are listed >
William LARKIN* - Shortland - miner - 1000 shares
Robert GRINTER - Shortland - miner - 1000 shares
* It seems that Robert GRINTER was well acquainted with a man named William LARKIN (or LARKINS) and this is possibly where the name of his son came from ?
Try as I might, haven't been able to nail down this particular William LARKIN. He may be the chap who went on to become a contractor ... or may have gone to Australia ??
There are lots of LARKIN / LARKINS at the Treasury website and also at that Gold mining database (Kae Lewis) link I gave earlier. Maybe someone can sort them out. ;D
~ Lu continues next > >
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Robert GRINTER : Continued >
Robert GRINTER[/b] remained in Thames for some years and became a publican. He had the "Bayview" (Bay View) hotel around 1878 and a little later, the "Nil Desperadum" hotel for which a licence was eventually refused in mid 1880 (because the Hotel was "not needed".)
From there he seems to have gone to Waihi and operated as a storekeeper (and in cahoots with a George CLOTWORTHY was up on a charge of sly-grogging in May 1881. )
The references to Robert GRINTER are easily found at PapersPast ... so I'll let you find them.
[And it had to happen with a surname like that ... found him listed as Robert GRUNTER !! ;D]
The Treasury, Thames website also has a couple of references to Robert GRINTER, Hotel Keeper.
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Robert GRINTER : Continued >
Some electoral listings :
1880-81 - Thames - Robert GRINTER - publican - Albert Street (Residential qualification)
1890 - Waikato - Te Aroha - occ: miner
1896 - Waikato - Ohinemuri - at Waihi, occ: Miner
1900 - Thames - at Tararu, Old Men's Home, Inmate
1905-06 - same, but listed as "Robert (O.M.)" - no surname. [O.M. probably relates to his address at Old Men's home ? ]
NZ Death Index
1908 / 9084 - GRINTER - Robert - 69 * years [bc 1839 ]
And I have this burial scribbled down (but can't immediately find where I sourced the info from ? )
Burial - Tararu Cemetery, Thames
# 684 - GRINTER - Robert - buried 13 April 1908 - aged 64 *years [bc 1844 ]
(Religion) Epis. (Episcopalian) - born ENGLAND
Ref: P. 278
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He doesn't appear to have left a Will and I can't recall seeing a death notice for him either.
As for his most likely year of birth, I'd go for 1841 (was 19 years when he came to NZ 1860).
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Because there were several boys named Robert GRINTER born at Dorset about the same time, it has taken quite a time to weed through them. Hopefully I've come up now with the correct one - will post details a little later.
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Robert GRINTER :
In another advertisement > 1875 I think > (and I've misplaced the link to it - will find later) - under the heading of "El Dorado Mining Co." the following shareholders and their places of abode etc., are listed >
William LARKIN* - Shortland - miner - 1000 shares
Robert GRINTER - Shortland - miner - 1000 shares
* It seems that Robert GRINTER was well acquainted with a man named William LARKIN (or LARKINS) and this is possibly where the name of his son came from ?
Here's the link to actual advertisement (should have read as "Eldorado" - one word ;D)
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THS18750630.2.18.2
Seems this was a short-lived venture - the company looked to have been be taken over by others within a few months, and by end of 1875 had been bought-out by a single shareholder.
~ Lu
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Hi, I have William Larkins ELLERY in my family tree also. Our line is down through William James ELLERY. I'm happy to share info from NZ
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Hi Shirley
Thanks, as I think Franks relatives were out of touch?
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Birth printout for William Larkin Grinter's mother Fanny or Jenny? Baker age 24 born Corromandel.
checking NZ BDM there are no Fanny (Florence/Frances) or Jenny /Jane but a Janet Baker was born 1855 to Martha Maria (nee Vercoe) & Charles Baker married 1852 she seems to be their only NZ child and Janet variants are Jane Jenny & Jessie
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Hi Bernice
Well, at least the mother's maiden name is BAKER. ;)
I would say that the forename is meant to be Jenny ... though it looks rather like "Janny". First letter is definitely a " J ".
But other details - "born Coromandel" / age 24 - bc 1854 / also stack up for this being Jane BAKER (ELLERY / RAMSAY). :)
* Can you give me details of the Father (Robert) please ... and who registered the birth ?
~ Lu
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.... checking NZ BDM there are no Fanny (Florence/Frances) or Jenny /Jane but a Janet Baker was born 1855 to Martha Maria (nee Vercoe) & Charles Baker married 1852 she seems to be their only NZ child and Janet variants are Jane Jenny & Jessie
Mmm .... but Martha Maria VERCOE and Charles BAKER married in New Zealand.
I thought Jane's obituary said that her parents came from England on the "Westminster" c. 1841 ?
So one might presume that they were already married at that time ??
~ Lu
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Hi Bernice
There are quite a number of "trees" at ancestry re: Charles BAKER (1821-1917) and Martha Maria VERCOE (1833- 1915) - said to have married 1852 in Taranaki.
None of those I've looked at make a lot of sense to me - because they only name two daughters of the couple > Annie , born at Sydney 1854 and Janet, born NZ 1855. That's it ... they don't tell who the daughters married etc. ??? ... so it's puzzling why the parents' names even feature in the "trees". ::) ::) ;D
Martha was apparently born about 1833 ... so it's really not possible for her to have been the parent of Jane (- whose parents were said to have arrived in NZ per "Westminster" c. 1841. )
[Think I also mentioned earlier that I could not find BAKER listed on that voyage to NZ. ]
* I think you are going to need the 1882 NZ Marriage printout for Jane BAKER - James ELLERY, to learn who exactly Jane's parents were. ;)
~ Lu
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Part quote from reply # 68....
"I would say that the forename is meant to be Jenny ... though it looks rather like "Janny". First letter is definitely a " J "."
I think "Fanny" should be considered as a possibility.
Minniehaha.
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Part quote from reply # 68....
"I would say that the forename is meant to be Jenny ... though it looks rather like "Janny". First letter is definitely a " J "."
I think "Fanny" should be considered as a possibility.
Minniehaha.
Why ???
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In answer to the questionable trees/ websites of Martha Maria Vercoe there are 2 but people have put them as 1; 1 born 1833 to Philip & Caroline arrived in NZ 1842 age 8 on Timandra who married Charles Baker in 1852 and another born 1831 to Henry & Ann both baptized in different parishes of Cornwall who arrived in NZ in 1852 and married John Grigg in 1855.
I will get the marriage print of of Jane & James Ellery
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Thanks Bernice ...
Yes I think it's a very good idea to get the marriage printout (1882) for Jane and James. The info contained for Jane, will have been provided by Jane herself and thus be a much more reliable source. ;)
I have the GRINTER info (for Robert's family ) to place here ... might wait until you receive marriage printout and do it then.
~ Lu
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It will be a week before i get the cert
thanks Lu
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I have uploaded the Parents section of James Ellery & Jane Baker marriage cert but it has got me no further as Jane is still not on the BMD
I also had problems transcribing her mothers christian name other than It is not Jane as that is written clearly for her
Hoping for some help
thanks
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I also had problems transcribing her mothers christian name other than It is not Jane as that is written clearly for her ...
Hi Bernice
Mmm ... I think the mother's name is "Jane" (and I thought so even before reading your comment ;D ).
Another thing too is that when Jane was having children with GRINTER, she was known as Jenny (variable spellings). So given that Jenny is a "pet name" for Jane, it may well be that she was known by Jenny to differentiate her from her mother of the same name ??
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Can you also let us know all the details for Jane BAKER that appear on the marriage printout, please ?
- date & place of marriage
- her age
- was she a widow* .... or did she claim to be a "spinster" ?
- her birthplace
- residence at time of marriage
- also the names / occupations / addresses of the witnesses to the marriage.
[Don't need the info for James ELLERY ... and if the Witnesses names are not clear, could you post an image of that portion of the printout to this thread, please? ]
[* Didn't ever find a marriage for Jenny (or Jane) and Robert GRINTER. ]
~ Lu