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2 questions if anyone can help me
a)What are parents occupations on this certificate.
b) I am hoping there could also be a transcription for the bride's surname as on records it is shown as Andrews. Person I am looking for is Ellen or Helen Landrow (spelling cld be diff) but everything else on the certificate tallys up re William Henry Laken's profession as painter and parents names.
Appreciate any help
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Hi,
My twopenneth for what its worth!
Occupation of the groom's father Ropemaker?
Occupation of the bride's father ? Wright?
Brides surname reads Andrews to me. Could be Landrow and misheard by the minister or maybe he couldn't read his own writing!
Best of luck with this,
Ray
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First birth for them shows mother's maiden name as LANDRO:
LAKEN, WILLIAM HENRY GEORGE LANDRO
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 695
From their 1891 census entry in Bromley:
William H Laken 31
Helen Laken 28 b. Poplar https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:261F-5QF
William H Laken 9
Maud Laken 6
Ellen Laken 3
Rosie Laken 5 months
Monica
Added: Daughter Maud - LAKEN, MAUD ANN JANE LANDRO
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 686
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I see the Groom's father as Rope maker and the Bride's father as Pipe W?
Plus, to me the grooms occupation looks like Plumber rather than Painter.
sami
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Possible 1871 census entry for Helen with family: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRJZ-F33
Monica
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It looks like andrews to me. Also the profession seems to start with pl ?
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I think William Laken might have been a witness at brother in law, John Landro's wedding in 1891. Father John's occupation is showing as just labourer on this.
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I think William Laken might have been a witness at brother in law, John Landro's wedding in 1891. Father John's occupation is showing as just labourer on this.
John Landro senior on the census is shown as 'mariner' and on his marriage details. After his wife died looks like remarried but died before appearing on next census. Reckon it's back to the drawing board with this one
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Bride's father:
Shipwright
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What is your line of research of this and what is it you are trying to find/corfirm?
The name is unusual for sure.
Monica
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What is your line of research of this and what is it you are trying to find/corfirm?
The name is unusual for sure.
Monica
Jane Marie Laken born Aug 1895, parents shown as William Laken & Ellen on 1901 census. Mothers maiden name shown as Laudrow on gro site, but then other siblings some shown as Landro and a couple as Andrews, so looks like problems with the name spelling definitely. But on 1911 census says been married for 30 years so cldnt be a second marriage. Can only find this one marriage for William Henry Laken to an Helen or Ellen. I am wanting to try confirm it is this one so I can carry on tracing back further by confirming name/occupation.
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I think you are on the right track here for both William and Ellen.
The 1901 entry you have in Bromley confirm what shows earlier too:
William Laken 40 b. Limehouse
Ellen Laken 36 b. Poplar
William Laken 19
Maud Laken 15
Ellen Laken 12
Rose Laken 9
Jane Laken 5
On the Landro side you have:
1861 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-5GSV Family with first wife Jane, Ellen's mother.
1866 Jane Landro died aged 42 in 3rd Qrt Poplar ref 1c/844
1871 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRJZ-F33 John Landro Snr may not have remarried until possibly 1877? Marriage showing that year between a John Landro and an Eliza Elmes in Stepney (other possible name Harriet Aubury)
1880 marriage that you have for William Henry and Ellen
1891 marriage of John Jnr with William as witness?
1902 possile death of Eliza Landro (showing as Landrow) in Poplar
Not sure on the death details for Ellen's father John. Likely down to how name has been indexed.
Monica
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You can see how the surname Landro is problamatic on transcriptions and indexes and how phonetically it will have many variants in spelling.
Jane Plucknett and John Landrew married 1848 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJWL-NQK
Monica
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Ellen Laken looks to also have acted as witness to her sister Ann's marriage in 1888. Ann's surname showing as Landres:
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I think you are on the right track here for both William and Ellen.
1871 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRJZ-F33 John Landro Snr may not have remarried until possibly 1877? Marriage showing that year between a John Landro and an Eliza Elmes in Stepney (other possible name Harriet Aubury)
1880 marriage that you have for William Henry and Ellen
1891 marriage of John Jnr with William as witness?
1902 possile death of Eliza Landro (showing as Landrow) in Poplar
Not sure on the death details for Ellen's father John. Likely down to how name has been indexed.
Monica
Apologies for coming back on this but have now found the marriage certificate for John & Eliza Elmes as per your comment and now confused as Eliza's father's name looks like William Plucknett which is the same name as John Landro senior's first wife Jane Plucknett, but i cannot find a marriage for an Eliza marrying someone called Elmes (as shown as widow on certificate) and there is an Eliza Elmes living with the Plucknett (plucknatt) family in St George on 1841 census. IS this possible he married sisters?
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Certainly looks possible doesn't it. Like you, haven't yet been able to find a possible marriage for Elizabeth Plucknett to Elmes.
John Landro's father's occupation looks like carpenter...taking us back to the begining of your thread!
Maybe trying to find Eliza Elmes/Plucknett in 1851/1861 would help further.
Monica
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There is an online tree which gives Jane Plucknett's parents as William and Ann, with some of the family originating from the Bristol, Somerset area. Could this be an entry for a christening for Eliza?
Eliza Plucknett
Christening Date 12 Aug 1821
Christening Place Bedminster, Somerset, England
Parents William Plucknett and Ann
The family in 1851 in Shadwell/Stepney (I am sure you have all this but for background here) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG5B-BRV
Odd about the 1841 census https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQJQ-6LX Could indicate that mother Ann (Pollard?) may have been married before? But Eliza gave William Plucknett as her father when marrying John Landro in 1877 and passed her self off as his wife from at least 1871. Also, there is that record above with a possible christening in 1821.
Monica
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John Landro's father's occupation looks like carpenter.
I suspect it is Labourer. (There is some overflow from the final r of Widower in the previous column.)
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Thanks, Bookbox :)
A family tree has the mention of Ann being Ann Pollard. Not sure :-\ There is this marriage/banns in 1800 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJYV-TMW
Not sure it is the right detail for Ann and William. She was still having children with Anna being born in 1838. Her age in the 1841 census also does not fit well with a marriage in 1800.
The only other entry I can see is this one in 1836 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NF9T-GLM
Monica
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Mother maiden name for Anna Plucknatt (as indexed) is BALL:
PLUCKNATT, ANNA - Mother's maiden surname BALL
GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in SAINT GEORGE (IN THE EAST) IN THE COUNTY OF MIDDLE Volume 02 Page 109
Twists and turns for sure on this one.... ;)
Monica
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Thanks for the info, it's certainly keeping me busy tying to solve lol
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John Landro's father's occupation looks like carpenter.
I suspect it is Labourer. (There is some overflow from the final r of Widower in the previous column.)
There are two Johns, father and son. The son (groom) is a labourer, and the groom's father is a carpenter.
Carol
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John Landro's father's occupation looks like carpenter.
I suspect it is Labourer. (There is some overflow from the final r of Widower in the previous column.)
There are two Johns, father and son. The son (groom) is a labourer, and the groom's father is a carpenter.
Well spotted.