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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: Libralady on Sunday 23 July 17 18:07 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have any information on the family of Charlotte Ball born around 1835 in Swanwick Derbys . please....
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Hi
Her marriage is on freereg as mentioned on your post re her husband James Cockayne
Bride father forename Joseph
Bride father surname BALL
Bride father occupation Collier
Witness Henry SWINCOE
Witness Mary BALL
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Rosie 99
How do I get onto freereg ?
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https://www.freereg.org.uk/
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Familysearch has 1841 / 1851 / 1861 census for Charlotte
1841
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7SY-VLQ
1851
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGDH-P3C
1861
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7FM-NS7
All free to search at https://familysearch.org/search
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Rosie 99 - Already found it, thanks anyway........this family proving difficult for me....
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Maybe if you tell us exactly what you are looking for we won't waste time looking for what you already have. Your initial request is rather vague ???
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Rosie 99 - My great great grandfather James Cockayne was married twice, firstly to Mary Dean in 1837, then to Charlotte Ball in 1881........I believe Mary Dean his first wife, passed away leaving him widowed with 2 small daughters in the 1840's.......Was intrigued to know about Charlotte Ball, how, where and when he met her, who were her family ? - I believe her family were from around the Swanwick area in Derbys - she seemed to be 20 years younger than him, yet she married him and they had 8 children together, one of them being my great grandmother........ Could this lady be the person being talked about in my family, who was jilted at the alter when she was very young and then went onto to marry James Cockayne and become his second wife? - thankyou for your help in this matter, much appreciated.........Libralady
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Her father was Joseph Ball
James Cockayne
Age 45 (1816)
Marital status Widowed
Marriage date 19 Aug 1861, Alfreton, Derbyshire, England
Father's first name John Cockayne
Spouse's first name(s) Charlotte Ball
Spouse's age 25 (1836)
Spouse's marital status Single
Spouse's father Joseph Ball
Cas
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Thank you Cas, I did manage to get into the census after trying umpteen times, new to this kind of thing and was getting very exasperated, so left it and retired to bed.........Libralady
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I have posted census details for Charlotte which show her parents as Joseph & Hannah also her siblings
This appears to be Charlotte's baptism from familysearch
Charlotte Ball
Christening 08 Feb 1835
SOUTH NORMANTON,DERBYSHIRE
Father Joseph Ball
Mother Hannah
If Charlotte was jilted at the altar then banns were possibly called and would show in the parish register.
Incidentally there is a 'breach of promise' for a Charlotte Ball in the Derby papers but that was in 1893 and she lived in Wales ;D
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Thank you Cas, I did manage to get into the census after trying umpteen times, new to this kind of thing and was getting very exasperated, so left it and retired to bed.........Libralady
Sorry that you had problems accessing the census, sadly only the transcripts are available for free on familysearch and you need a sub to FindMyPast to see the images direct from that link. I have found familysearch quite slow over the past few days but it is one of the few sites we can link to where you don't need a sub to view it.
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Thankyou all for your help.....Libralady...
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This thread has sparked my interest too. Has anyone figured out who Charlotte's mother was? The 1851 census gives her name as Hannah aged 38 born in (South) Normanton. This census also gives a sister, named Mary, born about 1841. Looking at the new GRO indexes, there is a Mary Ball with mother's maiden name as Hays born in the Mansfield Union.
However looking at Sunflower's marriage transcripts for South Normanton marriages, a likely candidate is the marriage of Joseph Ball to Hannah Jepson on November 18th 1833. Hannah's age would give a birth corresponding with a baptism in January 1814. If so, her mother was Ann Jepson (no father listed)
Why I am particularly interested here is that I have two Ball loose ends which could end up with a range of consanguineous marriages.
Ann Jepson married Isaac Ball in September 1815. I have not been able to substantiate his parents. The 1841 census suggests that Joseph was born around or just after 1800 and that there is an elderly male, Robert (?) his father living in the same household aged about 70.
I realise that Ball is a common name in these parts but Pamela Sharpe in her book A Village of Considerable Extent notes that in 1788 the village consisted of 121 houses and had a population of 588.
Alan
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Rosie 99 - My great great grandfather James Cockayne was married twice, firstly to Zillah Richards in 1837, then to Charlotte Ball in 1881........I believe Zillah Richards his first wife, married her in 1837 at Alfreton, passed away leaving him widowed, no children in 1849, have been told she died of Cholera.......Was intrigued to know about Charlotte Ball, how, where and when he met her, who were her family ? - I believe her family were from around the Swanwick area in Derbys - she seemed to be 20 years younger than him, yet she married him and they had 8 children together, one of them being my great grandmother........ Could this lady be the person being talked about in my family, who was jilted at the alter when she was very young and then went onto to marry James Cockayne and become his second wife? - thankyou for your help in this matter, much appreciated.........Libralady
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Rosie 99 - My great great grandfather James Cockayne was married twice, firstly to Zillah Richards in 1837, then to Charlotte Ball in 1881........I believe Zillah Richards who he married in 1837, passed away in 1849 with Cholera, they were childless.......Was intrigued to know about Charlotte Ball, how, where and when he met her, who were her family ? - I believe her family were from around the Swanwick area in Derbys - she seemed to be 20 years younger than him, yet she married him and they had 8 children together, one of them being my great grandmother........ Could this lady be the person being talked about in my family, who was jilted at the alter when she was very young and then went onto to marry James Cockayne and become his second wife? - thankyou for your help in this matter, much appreciated.........Libralady
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I am led to believe that Charlotte Balls mother was called Mary.......When Charlotte married James Cockayne in 1861 (his 2nd wife) - Her father was named as Joseph and the witness Mary Ball who was probably her mother..... Try the freeberg site -Does this help Newfloridan ?
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The 1861 census gives the mother's name as Hannah (a widow) with daughters Charlotte (24); Mary (18); Emma (3) and son Joseph (15). So I would suspect that the witness Mary at Charlotte's marriage was her sister
Alan
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Have you tried freeberg ?...
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Rosie 99 - My great great grandfather James Cockayne was married twice, firstly to Zillah Richards in 1837, then to Charlotte Ball in 1881........I believe Zillah Richards was his first wife, married in 1837 and died in 1849 with cholera, childless......Was intrigued to know about Charlotte Ball, how, where and when he met her, who were her family ? - I believe her family were from around the Swanwick area in Derbys - she seemed to be 20 years younger than him, yet she married him and they had 8 children together, one of them being my great grandmother........ Could this lady be the person being talked about in my family, who was jilted at the alter when she was very young and then went onto to marry James Cockayne and become his second wife? - thankyou for your help in this matter, much appreciated.........Libralady
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Freereg doesn't help you. The marriage took place in August 1861 after the census the same year. There is only one Charlotte Ball listed with a street address in Swanwick Alfreton in that census - which I listed above. Rosie99 gave the details of the baptism for Charlotte (father Joseph, Mother Hannah) in 1835 earlier.
By the way: the new GRO birth indexes give the maiden name of the mother of Joseph Ball listed in the above census ( and the 1851 census) born about 1848 as JEPSON.
Alan
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1851 Census says Joseph Ball was born in Pinxton
btw: Sent you a PM
Alan