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Title: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: Barry Ponsford on Monday 24 July 17 08:18 BST (UK)
Dear all

I wondered if any one can help me...I'm looking for a marriage between Elizabeth Parr (b.1811) & James Ponsford (b.1808) - I believe this happen around c.1835 in Dunsford, Devon.

James' parents were Henry Ponsford & Richord Bolt.

Many thanks
Barry ;D
Title: Re: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 24 July 17 08:41 BST (UK)
James Ponsford/Elizabeth Parr
Marriage at Dunsford    23 Aug 1835
Elizabeth signed and James made his mark  Both of the parish
Both single - Witnesses Eliza Parr and William  Sercombe??

Kay

Title: Re: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 24 July 17 08:47 BST (UK)
Is this later 13 April 1841 marriage in Dunsford related??

James Ponsford widower 36 Labourer father James Ponsford - Labourer
Sarah Sumers single 24 Servant father John Sumers Labourer
Title: Re: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: Barry Ponsford on Monday 24 July 17 14:26 BST (UK)
Thanks Kay - I don't suppose it says anything about the parents of the James that married Elizabeth Parr??

The second entry I'm hoping is not related, as it will make a right mess of my tree ;-)

Are you able to send me a copy of the record you used in the first marriage?

Regards

Barry
Title: Re: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 24 July 17 15:48 BST (UK)
The 2nd Marriage for the James Ponsford in 1841 may be this James;

Baptism;
27 Jan 1805, St James, Dunsford
JAMES, Son of JAMES/MARY
(FreeREG)

I can find 1 Child to James/Sarah a WILLIAM Bapt 8 Jan 1843 Dunsford.
Cant find them on Census though!
Title: Re: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 24 July 17 16:49 BST (UK)
Have sent you a pm Barry

I can't see the James Ponsford who married in 1841 either in the census.   I think the GRO birth index lists the 1843 bapt that Trish found as William Ponsford Dec Qtr 1842 ST THOMAS UNION DEVON Vol 10  Page 207 with mother's maiden name Somerville??

Kay
Title: Re: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 24 July 17 16:53 BST (UK)
I am very confused here looking at Trees as some have James born Dundry, Somerset.
His Wife Elizabeth is down as several surnames.
A lot of Tree copying going on.
Some of these have this James Parents as the same you name.

Is this your Elizabeth in 1851 Census?

1851 Census
Dunsford, Devon
(St Thomas Reg District)
William CORNISH, 29, Head, Mar, Ag Lab
Sarah Cornish, 50, Wife (image is 30*)
William Cornish, 4, Son
Anna Maria Cornish, 2, Daug
Elizabeth PONSFORD, 42, Sister, Widow
JOHN Ponsford, 7, Nephew**
John Casley, 51, Lodger

Everyone born Dunsford*

GRO Index Birth Regs

PONSFORD, JOHN, Mothers mn PARR****
GRO Reference: 1844  M Quarter in ST THOMAS UNION  Volume 10  Page 225

CORNISH, ANNA  MARIA PARR, Mothers mn PARR***
GRO Reference: 1848  S Quarter in ST THOMAS UNION  Volume 10  Page 219

Marriage Reg;
March 1846, St Thomas, 10 387
William CORNISH and Sarah PARR on same page.

Baptisms;
St Mary, Dunsford
ELIZABETH Parr 4 Feb 1810*****
JAMES 15 Dec 1811
WILLIAM 17 Oct 1813
ELIZA 22 Oct 1815
SARAH Parr 25 Jan 1818****
MARIA 10 June 1821
JOHN 4 April 1824
SUSANNA ANN 12 Nov 1826
Parents JAMES/MARIA

Sarahs has extra info
Fathers Occp Cordwainer, Abode Brownings Cottage.
On the last 2 the abode is Jervices

ELIZA 1815 likely had an illeg Daug Mary Ann Westlake Parr 1840

All above Baptisms on FreeREG.

Trish :)
Title: Re: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 24 July 17 17:00 BST (UK)
Adds up;

1841 Census
Dunsford, Devon
James Ponsford, 30, Ag Lab
Elizabeth Ponsford, 30
Anna Ponsford, 5
William Ponsford, 2

PONSFORD, WILLIAM  PARR, Mothers mn PARR
GRO Reference: 1838  S Quarter in ST THOMAS UNION  Volume 10  Page 201

Death Reg GRO;
PONSFORD, JAMES, 38*****
GRO Reference: 1846  M Quarter in ST THOMAS UNION  Volume 10  Page 152

There is a Birth Reg for a SARAH Ponsford 1841, Mother PARR and a Death Reg age 0
Title: Re: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 24 July 17 17:19 BST (UK)
I cant see a Baptism for James with those Parents?

You may already have all of this but may help others;

Marriage;
8 November 1807, Tedburn Saint Mary, Devon
James PAR to Maria LISCOMBE
(Familysearch.Org)

1841 Census
Dunston, Devon
James Parr, 55
James Parr, 25
Eliza Parr, 20
Sarah Parr, 20
John Parr, 15
Susanna Parr. 15
Mary Parr. 1

Names match Baptisms I gave.   
Title: Re: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 24 July 17 17:29 BST (UK)
There is a baptism for James Ponsford  18 Dec 1808 at  Cheriton Bishop Devon - Parents Henry and Richord

Kay
Title: Re: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 24 July 17 17:49 BST (UK)
I wonder if this is the James who married in 1841 and his age is mistake either on the census or marriage cert??  He is living at Holygate, Dunsford in 1841 and in 1843 the baptism of William Ponsford with parents James and Sarah lists the family as living at Holygate??

James Ponsford    45 Ag Lab
Sarah Ponsford    20
George Ponsford 10

Added - I think this James died in 1844 (age 48)  and in 1846 at Tedburn St Mary - Sarah Ponsford (listed as a widow with father's name John Summerfield) married John Stoneman
Title: Re: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 25 July 17 13:50 BST (UK)
As posted by kay.

There is a baptism for James Ponsford  18 Dec 1808 at  Cheriton Bishop Devon - Parents Henry and Richord

Baptism;
St Mary, Dunsford
JEREMIAH 14 Feb 1813, Parents HENRY/RICHAURD
Fathers Occp Labourer
Abode South Down
Jeremiah is easy to find on Census , occp Butcher, 1851 his age is wrong though, down as 60, image is 40.

F/S has;
RUTH 16 April 1815 Tedburn to HENRY/RICHORD
DANIEL 15 Feb 1818 Tedburn to HENRY/RICHORD
MARY 19 March 1820 Tedburn to HENRY/RICHORD

F/S;
RICHORD Bolt christened 1778 Hittisleigh to RICHARD/ELIZABETH

Richard BOLT married Elizabeth BREWER, 23 April 1764, Hittisleigh, Devon
Title: Re: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: Barry Ponsford on Tuesday 25 July 17 14:19 BST (UK)
Hi Trish,

In your last message (25th July @ 13:50) is going down the right lines - I have James a being baptised on 18th Dec 1808 in Cheriton Bishop as well. I also have all those siblings for James as well - what I'm trying to find who James married?

As this line of my family might put to rest a story that my grandma has always used to tell me - that we are related to an Australian Cricket player called Bill Ponsford, who has a stadium named after himself....but we shall see?

If you have any news on this marriage that would be great.

Are you able to send me a copy of the marriage between Richard Bolt and Elizabeth Brewer.

Many thanks for all your help as normal.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 26 July 17 11:53 BST (UK)
Sorry I dont have a copy of the 1764 Marriage I only got it from Familysearch.Org.

Trish :)
Title: Re: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: Barry Ponsford on Thursday 27 July 17 13:36 BST (UK)
I don't suppose you have the reference for the document?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Parr Marriage
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 27 July 17 14:52 BST (UK)
If you look at Familysearch entry you will find all the details ie microfilm no etc so you can order it from a LDS centre.