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Research in Other Countries => Other Countries => Topic started by: westernwombat on Monday 24 July 17 13:29 BST (UK)
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I'm interested in the Landells in Jamaica, if anyone has clues on the family of George James Landells, who was involved with the (Australian) Burke and Wills Expedition in 1861 - arranging the supply of camels.
GJ Landells was born 5 Feb 1825 in Barbados, parents George Landells and Margaret Anderson.
GJ Landells spent a lot of time in India and died in Rawal Pindi. I know of several siblings - Margaret Isabella Morris LANDELLS who married Frederick Patrick KEATING in 1853 in Victoria, Australia. I have names for others, but no birth or death dates though a brother, Bernard Hosea LANDELLS was also born in Jamaica.
Any information would be appreciated.
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Hi Westernwombat
Just to clarify? You're not looking for further information on GJ himself? But if you are, then let us know what you're looking for.
Are you looking for more information on his parents, whose names you have? If so, what sort of thing are you looking for, what do you already know?
You say you know of several siblings' names......aside from the two you mention what are the names of the others?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi AMBLY - apart from information from Australian newspaper reports a couple of years prior to the B&W Expedition, through to a few years later, I have a little information about GJ Landells and the one sister, as given in my initial post.
George James Landells b. 5 Feb 1825 in Barbados, Jamaica d. 4 Dec 1871 in Rawal Pindi, India
his wife: Elizabeth Rosa (no last name, date / place of birth, date / place of marriage, date / place of death; no details of her parents, siblings).
GJ served in the British army, in India ? I know little of his life or careers except the short period associated with the B&W Expedition. I will leave that aside as it is well documented elsewhere.
No information about offspring if any of GJ and Rosa
His parents: names only (George Landells, Margaret Anderson), and that his father served in the army - assumed to be various British regiments in India and Jamaica, perhaps elsewhere.
The siblings of GJ Landells:
GJ - the first-born, 1825
Margaret Isabella Morris Landells b. 1836 d. 1884, Yarram Yarram, Victoria Australia
- married Frederick Patrick Keating (1828-1906, also died in Yarram Yarram, Victoria) in 1853, in Victoria Australia. They were living in Sandhurst (Bendigo), Victoria at the time that the B&W Expedition passed through, and until after the enquiry afterwards.
James Whaley Landells - no information
Bernard Hosea Landells - born in Jamaica
Mary Forbes Olivia Landells - no information, except that she married a man surname MARRACK
Adelaide Maria Landells - married a man surname WHITE
That's about the sum of it.
My direct relationship to LANDELLS is to Reverend William Burns LANDELLS b. 1812 in Alnwick, Northumberland who died in 1871 in Geelong, Victoria, Australia.
A family story was that he had hoped to meet GJ Landells when in Melbourne, Australia (Rev WB had migrated to Australia in 1852 and was living in Geelong). Supposedly, a brother or half-brother had run away from home as a youth in Northumberland, and his whereabouts and fate was unknown. There was a conjecture that GJ Landells may be the missing brother - and that Rev WB Landells wanted to meet GJ Landells to explore that possibility (all of this is heresay).
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What an intriguing family you have to look for ;D
In relative terms, there is more info than you can poke a stick at, for the daughter Mary, including her own mystery to unravel (her husband changes names). This what I've unearthed thus far:
Mary Forbes Olivia LANDELLS.
1835 BIRTH:
Mary Forbes LANDELLS
Born 9 Feb 1835, Kingston, Surry, Jamaica
Father: George LANDELLS. Mother: Margaret LANDELS
1856 MARRIAGE : - 24th May 1856, Sandhurst, Victoria, Australia
At Sandhurst, on the 24th instant, by the Rev. T. Raston, Mr.
George Pearce Marrack, to Miss Mary Forbes Olivia, second
daughter of the late Captain G. Landels, of Her Majesty's
22nd Regiment.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-page9000195
1908: DEATH
Mary Forbes Olivia Landels MARRACK
Died 24 Oct 1908, San Francisco
Finda Grave:
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=169155390&ref=acom
Her Headstone - and her obituary name her husband as: Richard Thornton MARRACK ??? What has become of the husband named on the marriage and births of her children: George Pearce MARRACK?
Obituary: MARRACK— In this city, October, 24. 1908. Mary Landells Marrack. beloved mother of Gertrude, Ernestine, Edith, Augustus, Noel, Ethelwyn, Cecil and Reginald Marrack. a native of Kingston, Jamaica, aged 73 years. Friends are' respectfully invited to attend the funeral tomorrow (Monday). October 28, 1908, at 1:30 p. m. from the chapel of N. Gray & Co., 2196 Geary street corner of Devisadero. Interment private
Of the children in the Obituary :
(5) Australia Birth records: Gertrude, Edith, Noel, Ethelwyn, Cecil
(3) Haven't found: Augustus* , Reginald, Ernestine,
(1) Does not mention Melville, who died Australia 1924 - he would be the 9th.
Plus there was:
(1) Angeline born and died 1859
(1) Bertha born 1863
** Note: Have found reference that he was Augustus Edmond Marrack b 1871 - but the only one I see of this name, age 21 in 1892, says he was a Native of Nevada.
CENSUS 1900: At 339 Pierce, San Francisco.
Head: Richard T MARRACK 68, b Apr 1832, marr 30 yrs to wife. B England, Bookeeper
Wife: Mary F MARRACK 63, b Feb 1837, birthed 11 children (9 are alive, 2 are dead), b England.
Dau: Edith E MARRACK 30, single, b Oct 1869, b Australia,
Dau: Ethel F MARRACK 23, single, b Mar 1877, b Australia, Book Keeper,
Son: Noel B MARRACK 19, single, b Sep 1880, b Australia, Stenographer
Servant: Saki OKI 17, single, b Jan 1883, b Japan, At School.
The MARRACKS: all immigrated 1882 to the US.
BIRTHS of Children in Victoria, Australia - parents: George Pearce MARRACK and Mary Oliva Forbes LANDELLS (some small variations in spellings):
1857 BIRTH of Child: Melville Geo Segismund MARRACK
Born: Sandhurst, Victoria, Registered 1857
(He died 1924 in QLD, Australia)
1859 BIRTH of Child: Angeline MARRACK
Born: Sandhurst, Victoria, Registered 1859
(She died 1859)
1861 BIRTH of Child: Gertrude Amy Augusta MARRACK
Born: Sandhurst, Victoria. Registered 1861
1863 BIRTH of Child: Bertha MARRACK
Born: Sandhurst, Sandridge, Victoria. Registered 1863
1866 BIRTH Child: Edith MARRACK
Born: Sandhurst, Victoria. Registered 1866
1874 BIRTH of Child: Baptiste Wrlothsley Noel MARRACK
Born, Kangaroo Flat, Victoria. Registered 1874, Victoria
1876 BIRTH of Child: Florence Etheline MARRACK ( aka: Ethelwyn)
Born, Kangaroo Flat, Victoria. Registered 1876, Victoria
(She died 1951 in San Francisco, surname CARROLL)
1879 BIRTH of Child: Cecil Mortimer MARRACK
Born, Kangaroo Flat, Victoria Registered 1879, Victoria
It was her son Noel (ie: Baptiste Wurlthesley Noel MARRACK) I had found first:
1905: Appointment as a Letter Carrier for the US Government
Baptiste W. N. Marrack, born California
Residence Date: 1 Jul 1905
California, Voter Registrations
1907: Baptiste W. N Marrack, age 32, at 3032 California, Letter Carrier
1908: Baptiste W. N Marrack, age 35, at 30681 California, Letter Carrier
1910: Baptist W. N Marrack, age 36, at 411A Lyon, Letter Carrier
1914, 1916: Baptiste W. Noel Marrack at 540 Baker, Letter Carrier.
1933: Baptiste W. N Marrack at 2084 Golden Gate Ave, Carrier.
1910: CENSUS - at 410 Lyon, San Francisco, CA
Head: Baptiste W N Marrack, 36, single, Letter Carrier US Govt
Sister: Edith E MARRACK 40, single, no occupation
Sister: Gertrude MARRACK 45, single, Music Teacher, own account
All immigrated 1882.
All b Australia. Father: English, mother Jamaica
1918: WW1 Registration , 12 Sep 1918, San Francisco.
Baptiste Wurlthesley Noel MARRACK, age 45
Address: 540 Baker Street, San Francisco, California
DoB: 30 Sep 1873, Naturalized US Citizen
Occupation: Letter Carrier
Nearest Relative: Brother: Reginald B C MARRACK, of 1482 McAllister Street.
Description: Tall, Stout, Bald, Gray eyes.
Like I said, Stick, poke, it all falls out ;D A lot more to pursue if inclined!
Not in the least, the identity of the husband!
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hmmmm, more mystery
Apparently, a son named as G. E. MARRACK ??? of 330 Baker*, was looking for information on his father: Richard Thornton MARRACK, whom he believed came to the US about 1880 and lived in US until 1901 in SF and asked for assistance from the Vital Records Office to find him:
The resulting report 14 March 1941, states Richard was searched for in Voter Registers:
1880, 1882, 1886, 1888, 1890, 1892, 1896, 1898, and 1900 but no record was found**. And that furthermore the only MARRACK in San Francisco were B W Noel MARRACK, and Augustus Edmond MARRACK, a native of Nevada.
** Note: The 1900 Census states Richard is an Alien, so not eligible to vote?)
* Note: Son Noel (B W N MARRACK) was living at 540 Baker in 1910)
Just read Richard's own page on Finda Grave - it seems like he took his own life in 1901:
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=169155113
2 Bodies found in the water at Land's End (SF, California) 1901.
One was identified by Reginald Marrack, "as that of his father, Rev. Richard T. Marrack, formerly a Methodist minister, but for a number of years past employed as a bookeeper by the Methodist Book Concern. He had suffered from melancholia for several weeks owing to ill health and also because his position was about to be taken from him on account of his advanced age….He had evidently wandered out to the beach, and, after removing his outer clothing, had sought death in the ocean…..Dr. Marrack was 70 years of age and a native of England He came to California from Australia in 1873. He leaves a wife and nine children, one of whom is Cecil Marrack, formerly an intercollegiate debater at Stanford University" :'(
Apparently Mary was in poor health, and fears for her well being meant the family kept the news of her husband's death from her 'for the time being'.
Another death notice, said he - Richard - was a Native of Cornwall.
Was looking for clues to parentage of Mary - from the above: her father
Captain, George LANDELLS, 22nd Regiment
Cheers
AMBLY
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What a can of worms! It will take me a while to understand - and I should be able to find more at the Australian end for Mary, it seems.
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Adelaide provides some vital clues for you:
BIRTH 1838: GRO Registered
Adelaid LANDELS, mms ANDERSON, Jun Qtr Westminster
BAPTISM - 4 February 1840: St Saviour Southwark, Surrey (London)
Adelaide Maria LANDELS, b 2 Jul 1838
Dau of George & Margaret
Calling of father: Gr---t--?
Abode: Southwark Square
and her brother same day:
BAPTISM - 4 February 1840: St Saviour Southwark, Surrey (London)
Alexander Findley LANDELS, b 5 May 1836
Dau of George & Margaret
Calling of father: Gr---t--?
Abode: Southwark Square
DEATH 1840: of Margaret
Margaret LANDELLS age 34, of Southwark Square.
Buried 23 March 1840, St St Saviour Southwark, Surrey
CENSUS 1841: her widower and children at London Road, Southwark St George, Surrey (London Road)
HO107/Piece 1086/ Book: 5 / Folio 38 / pg 21
George LANDELS 40, Army H.P, - N
Edmond H LANDELS 10, - N
Mary LANDELS 6 - N
Alexander LANDELS 4 - N
Adelaide LANDELS 2 - N
WORKHOUSE Admission :
Adelaide LANDELL, age 10
Admitted Westminster, 29 May 1848
SMB, Workhouse, Returned from the Royal Sea Bathing Infirmary, Margate (Kent)
WORKHOUSE Admission & Discharge :
Adelaide LANDELL, age 13
Admitted 7 March 1851, from Service
Discharged 24 Feb 1852, immigrated to Australia
TO AUSTRALIA: arrived Victoria on 15 Jul 1852, on the 'Lady McDonald'
Mary F LANDELLS 17
Adelaide LANDELLS 14
MEANTIME:
George LANDELLS, their father had remarried in 1841, a year and a half after death of Margaret:
Marriage on 30 Aug 1841, at St George the Martyr, Southwark
George LANDELS 41, widower, Lieut in the Army, of St George Southwark
Father: George LANDELS, Officer in the Army
Bride: Susan SMITH 34, widow, of St Thomas the Apostle, London.
Father: John SHORT, Captain.
Witness: William Henry FIRTH & Anna GREGORY
From this it can be deduced:
George LANDELLS was born around 1800
Margaret ANDERSON was born around 1806
Will try find him in 1851!
Cheers
AMBLY
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I think this is probably the father George Snr of your George LANDELLS:
DEATH 1843:
George LANDELLS, age 86Y
Of Nightingale Vale,
Buried 11 April 1843, St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich, Kent.
(Born abt 1757)
ARMY RECORDS:
Declaration required to place on the Pension List, the widow of:
Quarter Master George LANDELS , of the Royal Artillery
I do solemnly swear I was lawfully married at Halifax, Nova Scotia on 12 May 1787
to George LANDELS, late a Quarter Master in the Royal Regiment of Artillery,
who died at Woolwich in the County of Kent, on the 3 Apr 1843 aged 86 years.
The declaration further states she has continued to be his widow and has no income, from any source, nor any Pension or allowance or provision from the Government.
Signed: Ann LANDELS, Nightingale Vale, Woolwich, 10 May 1843.
1841 CENSUS: at Nightingale Vale, Woolwich, Kent
HO107 / Piece 492 / Book 7 / Folio: 13 / Pg21
George LANDELLS, 80, Army , b Scotland
Ann LANDELLS 70, - N
Isabla LANDELLS 40 - N
Maria LANDELS 25 - Y
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William LINNS 5 - Y
Mary HARTLAND, 20 F S, - Y
Eliza GAN-------45, - N
Margaret LANDELLS 10, born: Foreign
? Could it be that Margaret there is your:
Margaret Isabella Morris Landells
Cheers
AMBLY
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George Pearce Marrack, born 1 April 1830, baptised 1 January 1836, Falmouth, Cornwall:
https://goo.gl/B9EJs5
Parents: John and Mary
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It appears George Pearce Marrack had a younger brother named Richard John Marrack, baptised the same day:
1851 Census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG2C-M1K
Baptism: https://goo.gl/qwRXAn
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...George Pearce Marrack had a younger brother named Richard John Marrack, baptised the same day
That is intriguing in the light of the gravestone information (see earlier post) where Mary Forbes Olivia LANDELLS seems to have been married to George in Australia but later to another Marrack.
Richard Thornton MARRACK - ???
The third brother Melvel Paul (shown in those Cornwall Parish Records) is "reflected" as an Australian (Victorian) birth record -
MARRACK, Melville Geo Seigismund
Father: George Pierce Mother: Mary Forbes Olivia
Reg # 1857/12093
birth registered in SANDHURST (Bendigo, Victoria)
(he would be the nephew of Melvel Paul MARRACK, brother of George Pearce MARRACK)
Victorian BDM show Melville Paul MARRACK as married to Eliza REA and 6 children born there between 1855 and 1863.
Everyone in the Victorian goldfields?
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It appears Melvel/Melville (the elder) ended up in Sydney: http://www.opc-cornwall.org/Resc/obits/marrack_melville.htm
My sense is that George Pearce and Richard Thornton are same person. The question would be why he changes his name, and why he chose the first name of his brother?
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1841 CENSUS: at Nightingale Vale, Woolwich, Kent
HO107 / Piece 492 / Book 7 / Folio: 13 / Pg21
George LANDELLS, 80, Army , b Scotland
Ann LANDELLS 70, - N
Isabla LANDELLS 40 - N
Maria LANDELS 25 - Y
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William LINNS 5 - Y
Mary HARTLAND, 20 F S, - Y
Eliza GAN-------45, - N
Margaret LANDELLS 10, born: Foreign
? Could it be that Margaret there is your:
Margaret Isabella Morris Landells
The Victorian BDM record of death of Margaret Isabella KEATING in 1884, at Yarram Yarram, Victoria gives her age as 48, so born 1836. The 1841 Census (England) would have her birth as 1831.
KEATING, Margaret Isabella (Death)
Father: Landells Geo Mother: Adelaide (Anderson) Reg #: 1884/11009
Place of Death: YARRAM YAR Age: 48
Spouse family Name: KEATING
Spouse Given Names: Edward Patrick
Presumed to be the death of her spouse, at the same location in Victoria, Australia:
KEATING, Edwd Patk (Death) Father: Unknown Mother: Unknown (Unknown)
Reg #: 1906/15341
Place of Death: Yarram Age: 78
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It appears Melvel/Melville (the elder) ended up in Sydney: http://www.opc-cornwall.org/Resc/obits/marrack_melville.htm
My sense is that George Pearce and Richard Thornton are same person. The question would be why he changes his name, and why he chose the first name of his brother?
You wouldn't think that she had married a Marrack brother, Richard John?
Marrack, Richard John, s. of John & Mary Born: 30.May.1831 Baptised: 1.Jan.1836
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The marriage of Richard John appears to be on this page: http://west-penwith.org.uk/paulmarh.htm
Based on his wife's name he appears to be buried in Anfield: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ormandy/anfieldc9.html
I see the name Melville pops up in the children.
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I'm not sure if you are still interested in California information, but...
The following link appears to have a later article (21 September 1901) about the death of Rev. R. T. Marrack. In it, it states his death was ruled accidental:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kgk/
(Apologies if this was previously mentioned)
If you are interested in any California records/information, please let me know and I can have a look around. Kind regards, Lisa
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Possibly your Cecil?
6 June 1911 newspaper article about the death of Rev. Cecil Marrack.
The article includes a photograph of Rev. Cecil Marrack.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kgl/
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You may have seen this, but it seems G P Marrack may have been involved in some financial irregularities:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/88621048?searchTerm=richard%20thornton%20MARRACK&searchLimits=
Perhaps new life in America + new career as a Methodist minister = new name?
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Possibly your Cecil?
6 June 1911 newspaper article about the death of Rev. Cecil Marrack.
The article includes a photograph of Rev. Cecil Marrack.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kgl/
Yes, and also in Find A Grave there is a short quote from the San Francisco Call, June 7, 1911.
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You may have seen this, but it seems G P Marrack may have been involved in some financial irregularities:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/88621048?searchTerm=richard%20thornton%20MARRACK&searchLimits=
Perhaps new life in America + new career as a Methodist minister = new name?
Now that is a very distinct possibility. An earlier post in this thread by @AMBLY refers to an enquiry by G.E. MARRACK about his father supposedly coming to USA in the 1880s.
Also in that post @AMBLY mentions a B.W. Noel MARRACK in San Francisco, and that would be a son of George Pearce MARRACK + Mary Forbes Olivia LANDELLS, the 6th child - born in Kangaroo Flat, Victoria, Australia in 1874.
His full name recorded in records: Baptist Wriothsley Noel MARRACK (aka Noel, first name often seen as Baptiste).
The 7th child was Florence Etheline MARRACK b. 1876 also in Kangaroo Flat, Victoria and died 1951 in San Francisco with surname CARROLL; aka Ethelwyn (courtesy of the researches of @AMBLY).
The 8th was Cecil Mortimer MARRACK.
So there were 5 of the family in California, and George Pearce likely changed his name to Richard Thornton MARRACK.
Would he need papers to prove that name in the 1880s?
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Hmmmm, more mystery
Apparently, a son named as G. E. MARRACK ??? of 330 Baker*, was looking for information on his father: Richard Thornton MARRACK, whom he believed came to the US about 1880 and lived in US until 1901 in SF and asked for assistance from the Vital Records Office to find him
I think G E Marrack is AuGUStus Edmond, although on the 1830 census, Gus E Marrack says he was born in Australia rather than being native to Nevada.
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Hmmmm, more mystery
Apparently, a son named as G. E. MARRACK ??? of 330 Baker*, was looking for information on his father: Richard Thornton MARRACK, whom he believed came to the US about 1880 and lived in US until 1901 in SF and asked for assistance from the Vital Records Office to find him
I think G E Marrack is AuGUStus Edmond, although on the 1830 census, Gus E Marrack says he was born in Australia rather than being native to Nevada.
In the Victorian BDM records, there are 2 MARRACK families but none have a birth in the state of Victoria, Australia for an Augustus Edmond (or similar) - 14 children between 1855 and 1879.
Where did you find that name?
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Where did you find that name?
Post #4 of this thread by Ambly.
Gus E Marrack in 1930 Census with birthplace listed as Australia: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XC6T-HQK
San Francisco County death record for Gus Edmond Marrack with birthplace listed as Australia: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKD4-RHNN
1892 voter registration for Augustus Edmond Marrack: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VTX3-JV2
On Ancestry, the California Biographical Collection: Responses to Vital Record Inquiries, 1822-1964 shows in 1892 B W Noel Marrack has requested information about Augustus Edmond Marrack - this is the record that shows him as a Native of Nevada.
Also on Ancestry, the San Francisco, California, City Directory, 1923 shows G E Marrack and Noel Marrack both living at 540 Baker.
With a birth date of 1871 he slots in between the other children, so not sure why his birth doesn't show on the Index.
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Where did you find that name?[
That's plenty of evidence.
He should be on the Victorian BDM records, so I will try a Vic BDM search with parents named - the wildcard search Marr* has failed for me over the last couple of weeks.
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Good luck! I tried searching for any Augustus born in 1871 with no match.
The child is not named but it was reported that Mrs G P Marrack did have a son in 1871:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/87967361?searchTerm=marrack%20births&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria
EDIT: Made the Melbourne Leader as well:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/196830306?searchTerm=marrack%20births%20kangaroo&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria
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Good find. My search found the sister Gertrude AMy Augusta born in 1871 and other August*** births but not Gus Edmond.
Another matter: I think that I have used a wrong topic name (Subject) for this thread - although some of George James LANDELLS' siblings were born in Jamaica (though my information is far from adequate), he was actually born in Barbados.
I may have to ask for a change in the Subject. I had assumed that the British Army connection of his father, George Landells, would be Jamaica and that more information would be forthcoming.
Instead, we have a tangent to a rich field of information in San Francisco, for in-laws of the Burke and Wills anti-hero George James.
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Re the newspaper birth notices: George Pearce Marrack was obviously a notable figure in Bendigo & district - there are 500+ references to him in Trove between about 1860 and the early 1900s when he had been gone for 25 years.
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George James LANDELLS, who was commissioned to supply camels for the Burke and Wills Exploring Expedition, was at first second-in-command of the expedition until an argument with Burke.
The State Library of Victoria, Australia (SLV) has a website devoted to the B&W saga, and the vital information that I have for LANDELLS comes from there.
George James Landells b. 5 Feb 1825, Barbados, West Indies; d. 4 Dec 1871, Rawal Pindi, Bengal, India
His wife was Elizabeth Rosa (no surname, dates or place of birth or death, and no marriage date for them).
I have searched the usual places, and I cannot verify any of that information. I am entirely reliant on the information at the SLV.