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Title: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: Girl Guide on Monday 24 July 17 17:28 BST (UK)
Can anyone tell me when they think these photos were taken please?

The photographer is a Thomas Stearn of 72 Bridge Street, Cambridge.  In 1861 he is a tailor but by 1871 he has become a photographer.

I believe the couple are from the Watson family.
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: loord74 on Monday 24 July 17 17:39 BST (UK)
here are photos for dating
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: Girl Guide on Monday 24 July 17 17:45 BST (UK)
Thanks for putting them on for me Loord.  I must have done something wrong somewhere!
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 24 July 17 23:20 BST (UK)
Late 1860s early 1870s for the first and 1870s would for the second would be my guess.
Carol
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: Girl Guide on Monday 24 July 17 23:49 BST (UK)
Thank you for that information Carol.  I'm not much good at trying to date photos.

So I think they may be Kate Watson's grandparents then.  Kate was born in 1875 and the couple don't look young enough to be her parents.

The choice is between her father's parents or her mother's! 

Okay, fine, at least I have some idea of the time frame.
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 25 July 17 00:02 BST (UK)
It's always a good idea to post the backs if you have them as that helps in Dating...the lady and gent look to be dressed in the 1860s fashion but the oval vingnette was a style in the 1870s.
Carol
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 25 July 17 00:11 BST (UK)
I'll have a go at downloading the back but this may go wrong again!

Oh dear, got it wrong again!  Not very clued up on this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: McGroger on Tuesday 25 July 17 04:06 BST (UK)
The back of Girl Guide's photo. (It looks like it's the photo of the lady, going by the damage at the top.)
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: McGroger on Tuesday 25 July 17 04:08 BST (UK)
And a couple of clean-ups. Cheers, Peter.
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: McGroger on Tuesday 25 July 17 04:38 BST (UK)
Just a couple of thoughts on the people in these photos.

After working on them closely, I think that there is quite an age difference between them, particularly if, as Carol has indicated, the photo of the lady could be up to a decade later than that for the man. (Note that although they were taken in the same position in the same studio, they are sitting on different chairs, the camera angle is different and the tones of the photos are quite different.)

If they were husband and wife, you may be looking at an age difference of up to 20 years or more between them. Alternatively, could they be father and daughter? (They both have unusually pale, piercing eyes, which could be a family trait - or I may be completely wrong!) 

Hope this helps. Cheers, Peter.
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: medpat on Tuesday 25 July 17 08:01 BST (UK)
They look similar and like McGroger I feel they could be father and daughter. Their eyes do appear to be a family trait.

 :)
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 25 July 17 08:22 BST (UK)
Hi Peter and Medpat - Thanks for your comments.

Gosh what a difference doing a clean up makes! Really appreciate that Peter.

I did the back of the lady as that was cleaner than the male one but his is just the same.

I'll have to have a look and check if I have a good enough photo of Kate Watson to check out the eyes. Now that the photos have been cleaned up you can get to see more detail.

Such a pity that no names or dates were put on the photos.  Would have made life so much easier if that had been done.

Perhaps I had better go through my photos and put names and dates on them.  That will take a while!!! ::) ::)
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 25 July 17 09:18 BST (UK)
I think they were taken in the same studio at the same time which points to 1870s rather than 1860s, the man's beard is called a Newgate Frill. I believe they could be man and wife, just my opinion. The corners are rounded so more likely to be early to mid decade.
Carol
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 25 July 17 09:26 BST (UK)
Many thanks for your opinion Carol, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 25 July 17 10:55 BST (UK)
The woman is early - mid 1860's & as they were both taken in the same studio with the same backdrop the one of him was probably as well.
The cardstock is mid-late 1870's so reprints.
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 25 July 17 15:19 BST (UK)
Thank you for your input Jim.

I have just discovered from the Fading Images website that Thomas Stearn was made bankrupt in 1864.  So he then decided to set up as a photographer and in August 1865 advertised in the local Cambridge newspaper as a photographer.

So the photos that I attempted to attach!, must have been taken any time from 1865 onwards.

Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 25 July 17 17:07 BST (UK)
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must have been taken any time from 1865 onwards
No.
The Stearn cardstock is mid-late 1870's & are reprints of earlier photos. This doesn't mean Stearn was the original photographer.
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 25 July 17 17:23 BST (UK)
Ok Jim, fair enough, I'm willing to accept that.  I don't know very much about dating photographs and certainly not early ones.
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: Regorian on Tuesday 25 July 17 18:11 BST (UK)
I wonder if 'she' was actually a 'he ::). 
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 25 July 17 18:19 BST (UK)
I did wonder too...she has a very masculine look.... I was thrown by the design on the backs which I knew didn't fit with the fashion of the pair which I thought was 1860s...but was reluctance to suggest a reprint. Thank heavens for Jim and his superior knowledge  :D
Carol
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: Regorian on Tuesday 25 July 17 18:55 BST (UK)
I'm glad not to be alone Treetotal. Being a life long admirer of the female form, her face' just doesn't  look right. I'd love that dress, swish, swish. 
Title: Re: Dating two photos of the Watson Family
Post by: Regorian on Sunday 30 July 17 16:40 BST (UK)
Another thing has been bugging me. Her dress could well be 1850's. I wonder if both the photographs are of the same person, say ten years or more apart.