RootsChat.Com
Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: MacGrigor on Tuesday 25 July 17 12:27 BST (UK)
-
Hello,
Having been in a position to know exactly in Scotland my family comes from, I have hit a bit of a snag.
I am in possession of my great-great-grandfather's birth certificate (1/2 Scottish, 1/2 English), and he was born in Coul, north of Contin village. His name was Alexander MacGregor, and he died in 1933, in Hornsey, London.
His father, also Alexander, was born in c. 1815, in Fodderty, Ross. The only birth record that matches gives the birthplace as nearby Dingwall, and his parents as Simon MacGregor and Margaret McKenzie. Both of these individuals are on the 1851 Census, living in Fodderty, with Simon born in 1796, in Contin, and his wife born in 1795, in Fodderty. Both died in just over a decade from the census.
However, presuming that Simon is indeed my great-great-great-great-grandfather, I can locate no birth record for him. Does anyone know anything of Simon or the MacGregors in the Contin/Fodderty area in the late 18th to mid 19th century?
Thanks,
Adam McGregor
-
Hello,
My great-great-great-great-grandmother, Margaret McKenzie, was born in 1795, in Fodderty. It is unclear whether or not she married my ancestor Simon MacGregor, but she had at least 3 children with him. Does anyone know anything of Margaret or the McKenzies in that area?
Thanks,
Adam McGregor
-
Adam, here are the estate records of the tenants on Fairburn which adjoins Coul. As folk moved around you might just be lucky?
http://www.fairburn-estate.co.uk/oldmap.html
Bests,
Skoosh.
-
Thanks Skoosh,
Unfortunately my family left Scotland between 1871 and 1881, so they don't show up. Thanks anyway.
Adam
-
I usually look on the Hugh Wallis website as it helps me find if there are church records for the places my ancestors lived in.
I see the Batch No. for Fodderty is M110652 (M = marriage)
and when entering that batch number on the familysearch.org website, it shows that a Margaret Mackenzie married a Simon McGrigor in Fodderty on 27 Dec 1811. I'm presuming this record can be seen and bought from scotlandspeople.gov.uk website.
The names of their children could possibly give a clue to the couple's parentage
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/
-
Thank you! This is a great help!
-
Unfortunately, the website doesn't appear to work for me. Simon was born in c. 1796, in Contin, and Margaret was born in c. 1795, in Fodderty.
-
No need to faff about with FamilySearch, IGI and batch numbers any longer. Go direct to Scotland's People at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. The indexes there are now free of charge, and you can search using the names of parishes. You get all the events indexed by FS, and you don't get any of the imaginary information that you get on the 'contributed' IGI. You can also view, for a modest fee, an image of any baptism or marriage in the indexes, including that of Simon McGrigor to Margaret Mackenzie in 1811.
-
Another thread on the same family
Threads merged.
-
I am in possession of my great-great-grandfather's birth certificate (1/2 Scottish, 1/2 English), and he was born in Coul, north of Contin village. His name was Alexander MacGregor, and he died in 1933, in Hornsey, London.
What were the names of both his parents, and what was his date of birth? Where and when were his parents married?
-
Thanks for all the information.
-
Forfarian,
He was born on the 18th of February 1860, if I recall correctly. His parents were Alexander and Eliza MacGregor (formerly Streater), who married in 1847, in Contin. Eliza was from Farringdon, Hampshire.
-
Ah. As it's before 1855, the marriage record won't tell you their parents' names. Pity about that.
I see that a Simon McGregor, aged 70, died in Fodderty in 1859. Have you seen his death certificate? It should tell you the full names of both his parents including his mother's maiden surname. If the informant is your Alexander, that would be evidence enough about Alexander's parents and grandparents.
I don't see an obvious death of Margaret MacKenzie or MacGregor, so it is likely that she died before 1855.
(A Margaret McKinzie or McGrigor, aged 75, died in Strathdon, Aberdeenshire, in 1861. However I think she is probably the Margaret McKenzie, 74, born Ballater, recorded in the 1861 census at Ballochilloch in Strathdon and in the 1851 census at Cotmore, Coull with her husband John McKenzie.
There is also a death of a Margaret McGregor or McKenzie, aged 93, in Inverallan in 1889. She is probably the 85-year-old Margaret McGregor, born Duthil, widow (of Alexander McGregor), living at Lynemore, Cromdale in 1881.)
-
Forfarian,
Using ScotlandPeople, I found Margaret's death in about 1862, if I remember correctly. I also found Simon's son died in 1861, a year after the birth of my great-great-grandfather. I'll look into the 1859 record. That is Simon. There is an 1815 birth record for him, with Simon and Margaret listed as parents.
-
Hello,
I did ask for these months ago and got my response, but I haven't been able to find them! I am primarily interested in noting down residence notes, i.e. street names etc.
I am looking for:
Alexander and Eliza MacGregor
(b. 1815, Dingwall - gives p.o.b. as Fodderty) (b. 1817, Hampshire, England)
On 1851 and 1861 Census - just Eliza on 1871. Lived in Contin and Maryburgh if memory serves. Would also be interested in an 1841 record for Alex. if there is one.
Simon and Margaret MacGregor
(b. 1796, Contin) (b. 1795, Fodderty)
1851 Census. Lived in Fodderty. Haven't found an 1841 record but would be keen to see one.
Thanks!
Adam
-
Note - Simon's date of birth varies so if there is an 1841 record it'll have a different d.o.b.
-
I see one, perhaps more.
MCGREGOR SIMON ALEXANDER MC GREGOR ELIZABETH STRATON
13/09/1849 Dingwall
This a baptism if the dob is recorded it will be on the original document found here.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Don
-
Thanks! Yes, the family had at least 3 sons: Alexander, John and Simon. John and Alexander both came to England, but I don't know what became of Simon. They had a relative named Simon MacGregor who worked for the Ordnance Survey in England, but his name was Simon Kemp MacGregor, and looks to have been a possible cousin.
-
Can anyone find a baptism for Alexander MacGregor, born on the 18th of February 1860 in Contin? I realise it is after civil registration began in 1855 but it would be a nice date to have. His elder siblings were all christened into the Church of Scotland.
-
Hello,
Margaret died in Fodderty in 1862. She was the widow of Simon, who had died there in 1859. Is there any record of her death? I only found the year on ScotlandsPeople. Her maiden name was MacKenzie.
I'd appreciate any help!
Adam
-
Yes - details as you said. You need to click on the . column (6 credits) to view the death cert.
Ref is 1862 065/1 Fodderty.
Gadget
-
Thanks!
-
Can anyone find a baptism for Alexander MacGregor, born on the 18th of February 1860 in Contin? I realise it is after civil registration began in 1855 but it would be a nice date to have. His elder siblings were all christened into the Church of Scotland.
Unlikely, because the registers of baptism from 1855 onwards are still in the churches, so it would require a visit to Contin to see the register of baptisms, assuming that it has survived, of course.
-
Yes, I did think it would be unlikely. Thanks anyway :)