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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: MacGrigor on Tuesday 25 July 17 14:09 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am enquiring about my great-great-great-grandmother, Susannah Beagley (Watkins). She was married to - though I cannot find a marriage certificate - Samuel Beagley, son of the England and Hampshire cricketer, Thomas Beagley (1789-1858). Samuel was registered as being in Berkshire in the 1851 Census, with his wife still in London, and I believe he was the Samuel Beagley who died in the Windsor area in 1859, considering that the name is not native to that area, and that he had been living in the county, working as a bricklayer like his father before him. However, Susannah is never seen again. Does anyone know what became of Susannah? She was born in the early 19th century, in Farringdon, but I know little more than that. I would appreciate any information.
Thanks,
Adam
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I'm a bit confused here.
Samuel BAGLEYS 1859 Death Reg Gro Index has him age 55
So Birth c 1804
Thomas Beagley (1789-1858) you quoted would be a bit young to be his Father?
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It can't be him then. He was born and baptised in 1806 (with his father merely 17, as confirmed by numerous websites), and his year of birth is 1806 in the 1841 and 1851 censuses. Might be an error on the original record.
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Here's one of the sources - http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/o/w/e/Marie-T-Owen-portland/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0411.html.
Samuel's birthplace was given as Farringdon, and took up the same trade as Thomas.
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It does however have Thomas' date of death wrong. He died in 1858, in Paddington, as a pauper.
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So this one?
BEAGLEY, THOMAS, age 68****
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 11
Is this the 1851 you have for Susannah?
Sammann Beagley, 28, Wife, Mar, born Frensham, Kent (sic) (image 38)
George Beagley, 19, Bricklayer
Saml Beagley, 16
Thomas Beagley, 11
Boys born Camberwell
Sorry I am digressing and should be looking for Susannah POB etc and where she went after 1851.
Trish :)
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Yep, that's her. The transcription says Faversham, but I believe that this is a corruption of Farringdon, which other sources give as her birthplace. By the 1851 Census, her husband is bricklaying as a lodger in Berkshire, giving his birthplace as Farringdon.
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I'm also interested in what became of him, seeing as my hypothesis appears to be wrong!
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Here's one of the sources - http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/o/w/e/Marie-T-Owen-portland/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0411.html.
Just a little tip - don't use other peoples trees or websites as "sources" ! By all means look at them, use them as an idea to follow up, and then check out the information yourself. But always do that , go back to as many original documents as you can.
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SAMUEL Beagley christened 23 March 1806 Farringdon, Southampton, England
Parents THOS/MARY
MARRIAGE;
Samuel BEAGLEY, Widower, Bricklayer, Father THOMAS, Bricklayer
Sammerazin LUCAS, Spinster, Father THOMAS, Customs House Officer
19 May 1850
St John the Evangelist, Lambeth
Witnesses, William Thomas and Charlotte Beagley
So Looks like Susannah died between 1841-1851
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Yes it does. This is confusing.
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Dont worry I was also to start with until I found the Marriage.
People have added that Sammerzin is Susannah on 1851 Census but the name is hard to read.
As lizdb said dont follow others Trees as they lead you astray.
SUMMARY;
From 1851 Census in Berkshire that is your SAMUEL
Christening 1806 is correct I would say to THOS/MARY
1841 Census is correct;
Samuel Beagley 35
Susannah Beagley 40
William Beagley 16
Helen Beagley 10
Fredy Beagley 10
Charlotte Beagley 8
Catharine Beagley 6
George Beagley 4
Samuel Beagley 2
Samuel 1839's GRO Birth Reg has hsi Mother nm as WATKINS
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Thanks very much for your help Trish. The baptism record for Samuel's daughter (through whom I am descended) gives the mother as Susannah, although the family lived across the Thames then.
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MORE;
1861 Census
Camberwell
Ann Payne, 52, Head, Widow, Laundress, born S??, Hertfordshire
Jane Payne, 19, Daug
Emma Payne, 14, Daug
Samuel Beagley 22, Nephew, Bricklayer, born Camberwell*****
John S Beagley, 19, Nephew, Bricklayer, born Camberwell*****
** image is John T Beagley
1851 Census
Joseph Payne, 42
Ann Payne, 41, born St Minver, Herefordshire*****
Jane Payne, 9
Emma Payne, 4
The Marriage of Ann WATKINS and Joseph PAYNE is on Anc 1838
Her Father is JOHN Watkins, Labourer, deceased*****
So Susannahs Father would be JOHN Watkins.
As Susannah is not on 1851 Census we have no POB for her
Sammerzin LUCAS is born Faversham. Kent, Samuels 2nd Wife
OK JOHN THOMAS Beagleys Baptism is on Anc 1842 and his Parents are SAMUEL/SUSANNAH
Oh, he married his Cousin! Jane PAYNE 1864 ;D
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So....
Susannah was born in Herefordshire also? To John Watkins?
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Its late here in Australia so I must go to bed.
Day off tomorrow so I will work on this again later in the day.
Look at all I have posted and necessary write it out in a chart (which I do to make sense of it)
So we need a Baptism for Ann WATKINS who married Joseph Payne.
She would have to have a Sister Susannah!
Here she is 1871 with John Thomas Beagley
Ann Payne 62 born Herefordshire
Jan Thos Boughey 28
Jane Boughey 22
Rosa Emma Boughey 5
Harry Jno Boughey 3
Jessie Ann Boughey 1
Saml Geor Boughey 4 Months
Hows that for a mistranscription ;D
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So replies crossed, yes Susannah Watkins has to be Ann PAYNE, nee Watkins Sister,
as the Beagley boys are her Nephews in 1861 Census.
So yes her Father would be John Watkins.
Whether she was born Herfordshire or not we wont know until we find Watkins Baptisms.
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Got to go to bed!
FreeBMD;
Deaths Dec 1847
Beagley, Susannah, Lambeth, 4 208
GRO Index;
BEAGLEY, SUSANNAHm age 47******
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 208
So she was born c 1800 and Ann c 1809 ;D
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Good night, back tomorrow
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Thanks for everything. Goodnight.
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I've looked for baptism records, but I've had no luck.
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I presume you have access to Anestry Adam?
Look at the 1851 Census for Ann Payne.
Could her pob be St Weonards, Herefordshire?
ANN Watkins christened 25 March 1810 Bishopstone to JOHN/ANN
2 possible Susannas;
SUSANNA Watkins 29 Sept 1799 Brinsop to JOHN/ANN
SUSANNA Watkins 20 April 1800 Saint Weonards to JOHN/MARY
Nearest I can find on Familysearch.Org
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I looked up Brinsop/St Weonards/Bishopstone on the Genuki Website and thy are about 12 miles apart.
Genuki is a great resource;
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/StWeonards
Go down to Historical Geography and the to ;
Ask for a calculation of the distance from St Weonards to another place.
Click on it , type in another place name eg Brinsop and it will tell you far apart they are
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I'll have a look. I only have a free Ancestry account.
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The transcription of the 1851 record for Ann Payne is St. Winard's, so it's most likely St. Weonard's, Herefordshire.
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The Marriage of Ann WATKINS and Joseph PAYNE is on Anc 1838
Her Father is JOHN Watkins, Labourer, deceased*****
Can anyone find the exact date and church for this wedding?
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The Marriage of Ann WATKINS and Joseph PAYNE is on Anc 1838
Her Father is JOHN Watkins, Labourer, deceased*****
Can anyone find the exact date and church for this wedding?
Can give you the church for now..
http://www.marriage-locator.co.uk/cgi-bin/ML_search.cgi?year=1838&qtr=3&vol=4&page=297&search=search
Geoff
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Thanks Geoff!
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The image for the marriage is on Ancestry which you should be able to see with your free trial. Not sure why you are asking us to look for it when you have access :-\