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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: jess5athome on Tuesday 25 July 17 20:35 BST (UK)
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Hi, while looking through newspaper records I have come across the burial of a local man, it states he was a veteran of the Crimean war, and he was at the battle of Inkerman and the fall of Sebastapol, I thought I would try to do a bit of research into his military life but have hit a problem before I can even start ::)
His name according to the newspaper report was Carter Poskitt, he died in bed and was found by a neighbour at "Waterside Thorne" in October 1911 and he was 74 years of age (birth must presumably have been around 1837).
Problem!........................................ I cannot find a death or a birth or a hit on the 1911 census for a person by the name of Carter Poskitt, I wondered if anyone could offer any advice, do you think Carter could be a nickname for a more common christian name, any help as always would be greatly appreciated.
Frank.
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HI he could be the George Poskitt b c 1830 b Fishlake in Thorne?
Keyboard86
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How about this death?
Deaths Dec 1911
Poskitt George 84 Thorne 9c 964
Fits with that birth
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Hi keyboard86 :) I'd spotted George and wondered, but that would make him 81 years of age at death, however I don't suppose a newspaper having his age out by 7 years is not uncommon :-\ also most Poskitt's who lived in Thorne look to have been originally from Fishlake, a couple of miles over the river Don.
Frank
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How about this death?
Deaths Dec 1911
Poskitt George 84 Thorne 9c 964
Fits with that birth
Ah! that's nice groom, so it could be George then, I wonder where the name Carter came from if its him, thank you groom and keyboard86 for this.
Frank :)
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Hope you got my pm.
Looks like you have found your man.
Just need to trace him back and see if he was a Carter by trade! I would say that is the most likely explanation for his name.
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Looks as if it's George
George Poskitt
Age 84
Birth year 1827
Death year 1911
Burial year 1911
Burial date 17 Oct 1911
Burial place Thorne
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
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Hi all, yes it looks like George is our man :)
I've found him on the last census named George, living at Waterside at Thorne and a widower, he's down as a "Army Pensioner" thank you all so, so much for your input and messages.
Frank.
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Looks as if it's George
George Poskitt
Age 84
Birth year 1827
Death year 1911
Burial year 1911
Burial date 17 Oct 1911
Burial place Thorne
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Hi groom, that's him, your burial shows 17th October and the newspaper article states
"There was laid to rest in the Churchyard at Thorne yesterday"
and it's dated the 18th October
Frank.
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Looks as if he might have been a naughty boy? POB fits with the census POB I think?
Name: George Poskitt
Birth Year: abt 1827
Birth Place: Fishlake, Doncaster
Age: 61
Event Date: 30 Jul 1888
Prison or Quarter Session: HMP Wakefield
Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England
14 days for being drunk and disorderly
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I have him (possibly) DOB is a couple of years out but same place of birth as a prisoner at Wakefield in 1851 :o
Just to add, on that find of yours groom, about the 14 days for being drunk and disorderly, he seems to be shown as "Been 10 years in Queens Guards", so it all looks to be adding up :)
Frank.
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He was actually imprisoned twice , both times for being drunk and disorderly - once on 2 Mar 1886 and once on 30 Jul 1888. 14 days each time.
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His baptism and parents
George Poskitt
Christening Date: 12 Feb 1828
Fishlake, Yorkshire, England
Father: Mark Poskitt
Mother: Hannah Poskitt
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Wow! thank you so much groom :)
Frank.
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His baptism and parents
George Poskitt
Christening Date: 12 Feb 1828
Fishlake, Yorkshire, England
Father: Mark Poskitt
Mother: Hannah Poskitt
Hi again, was already aware of this baptism, but noted due to the confusion as to year of birth in 1911, this one:- George Poskitt 20th May 1825 Fishlake Father John Mother Mary.
In 1911 he is a Widower, so who/when did he marry, in 1901 is a widowed George aged 72 b Fishlake
Census ref RG13/4418/99/2, and in 1891 a transcribed George ROSKET 65 b Fishlake occ Ag Lab with wife Mary 66 b Campsall
Census ref RG12/3866/116/9
So is this Carter Poskitt?
Keyboard86
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Hi again in 1871 a George PASKETT 42 b Fishlock/lake
Ann 40
Mary A 14
Charles 11
Julia 2
Residing Albert Mews, Middlesbrough
Census ref RG10/4895/6/11
Keyboard86
When will a mention of " Carter" crop up!
Keyboard86
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I wonder if it was a nickname he got from his time in the Queen's Guards, could he have worked with horses?
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Hi, there looks to be many variants of his name:
1861 George Paskett age 34, born abt 1827 Fishlake
Wife Mary aged 33 born Sutton Yorkshire, (Parish of Norton I think, Doncaster).
1871 George Postcett age 48 born abt 1823 Fishlake
Wife Mary aged 45 born Sutton Yorkshire.
Marriage: July/August/September 1853:
Registration district of Doncaster:
George Poskitt
Mary Webb.
Frank.
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Hi again, that marriage to Mary Webb had his father as John?
Keyboard86
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Looks as if there was more than one in the area! The only thing we can be sure of is he was the one buried on the 17th October isn't it?
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Hi again, that marriage to Mary Webb had his father as John?
Keyboard86
Forget that one then :-[
Looks as if there was more than one in the area! The only thing we can be sure of is he was the one buried on the 17th October isn't it?
It certainly looks like it at the moment :)
Frank.
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Hi again, I really cannot believe the George in Middlesbrough 1871 is the 1911 man, this is 1881:-
George POSKET 56 b Fishlook?
Ann 48 b Yarm
Charles 21 b Middlesbrough
Julia 11 b Middlesbrough
Census ref RG11/4851/5/3
Keyboard86
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Hi again, I really cannot believe the George in Middlesbrough 1871 is the 1911 man, this is 1881:-
Keyboard86
I tend to agree with you, don't ask me why, I'm not sure of any of it at the moment, except:
1901 Living Thorne, born Fishlake abt 1829, aged 72 years and a widower.
Next census date he's living Waterside, Thorne born abt 1830 aged 81 and he's a Army Pensioner.
Died 1911, buried 17th of October.
Frank.
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Have you found him in every census? You'd have thought if he really was in the Queen's Guards for 10 years that he'd appear with them or at least be missing for one census.
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Have you found him in every census? You'd have thought if he really was in the Queen's Guards for 10 years that he'd appear with them or at least be missing for one census.
I'm afraid not groom, I have him in Thorne, 1901 and 1911, no sign of him in 1881 and 1891 as yet, and the 1861 and 1871 census results I have "May" be him ::)
Frank.
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Hi again, Mark & Hannah the parents of George b 1828 were living in 1841 at Foster House Fishlake, there is this:-
Burial George Poskitt 23rd August 1840 Fishlake address Foster House aged 12
Keyboard86
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Good find, Keyboard, so we can eliminate that one then and the baptism I found.
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That's a great find keyboard, as groom say's we can eliminate stuff ::) :)
Frank.
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Baptism:
George Poskitt 20th May 1825 Fishlake, Yorkshire.
Parents John Poskitt and Mary. :-\
Frank.
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I wish we could find an army record as that might give more details, but I can't see one on FindMyPast or Ancestry.
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Found this available on Fold3 - but not Queen's Guards....
Name: George Poskett
Court or Trial Date: 19 Oct 1857
Court or Trial Place: London
Regiment: Grenr Gos
Reference Number: WO 86/9
and the above may probably be this man
Name: George Peskett
Pension Admission or Examination Age: 41
Birth Year: abt 1834
Birth Place: Beighton, Sussex
Pension Admission or Examination Date: 12 Oct 1875
Regiment: Grenadier Guards
Rank: Color Sergeant
Regimental Number: 7264
Name: Color Sergeant George Peskett
Service End Year: 1875
Regiment: 2nd Battalion Grenadier Regiment of Foot Guards
Regimental Number: 7264
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Birth Place: Beighton, Sussex
Don't think that's him as we know "our" man was born in Yorkshire and this one looks like Brighton, Sussex.
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I wish we could find an army record as that might give more details, but I can't see one on FindMyPast or Ancestry.
I had a look last night and this morning on the internet for any kind of clue, but alas, nothing :(
he's turning into a proper enigma is our George/Carter, as you say groom, the only thing we can be sure of is that he was born in Yorkshire.
Nice finds josey, :) but as groom says, our man was from Yorkshire.
Frank.
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As far as I am aware, the Queens Guard and the Grenadier Guards are one and the same, I just wonder how/why a man born in Fishlake in Yorkshire where nearly everyone was born into farming or Agricultural labouring would find himself in the Guards.
Frank.
Edited to add:
Use your brains Frank, he most likely wanted to get away from labouring etc.
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Probably just a case of steady job, food, lodgings and adventure!
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It doesn't tell us anything else but there is a George PoskEtt on the Campaign medal and award rolls, service date 1854 - 1855:
George Poskett 6613, 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards who was awarded the Crimea medal and the Sebastapol clasp, but no mention of the battle of Inkerman.
Yes, that makes sense groom, I suppose that's why a lot of men joined up, not a lot more for them to do.
Frank.
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Right time, as the Battle of Inkerman was 5th November 1854.
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................................................ Off to do Grandad duties ::)
Frank ;D
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OK we have eliminated the George 1828 the George 1825 ( who married Mary Webb) so last throw of the dice:-
1841 census
Thomas Poskitt 30
Sarah 30
George 11
Hannah 10
Ellen 7
Elizabeth 5
Jane 3
Mary 1
Residing Fishlake
Census ref HO107/1331/ 3/11 / 5
Keyboard86
EDIT Thomas Poskitt married Sarah Beaumont 16th March 1831 Fishlake
George appears to be the illegitimate son of Sarah prior to marriage, transcribed as George BEARMAN 6th June 1830 Fishlake
Frank I see you were enquiring about another son Thomas so what were your findings on this George?
I wonder if he could be the George Poskitt aged 20 in the Sheffield Independent 8th March 1851 who was given 2 months hard labour for stealing a pound of butter, four pounds of bread and an ounce of tobacco the property of Nathaniel Charlesworth of Fishlake?
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OK we have eliminated the George 1828 the George 1825 ( who married Mary Webb) so last throw of the dice:-
1841 census
Thomas Poskitt 30
Sarah 30
George 11
Hannah 10
Ellen 7
Elizabeth 5
Jane 3
Mary 1
Residing Fishlake
Census ref HO107/1331/ 3/11 / 5
Keyboard86
EDIT Thomas Poskitt married Sarah Beaumont 16th March 1831 Fishlake
George appears to be the illegitimate son of Sarah prior to marriage, transcribed as George BEARMAN 6th June 1830 Fishlake
Frank I see you were enquiring about another son Thomas so what were your findings on this George?
I wonder if he could be the George Poskitt aged 20 in the Sheffield Independent 8th March 1851 who was given 2 months hard labour for stealing a pound of butter, four pounds of bread and an ounce of tobacco the property of Nathaniel Charlesworth of Fishlake?
Hi, I have the family of Thomas Poskitt and Sarah Beaumont but have not come across George, regarding the son Thomas I was looking into, I have him from records:
Birth Fishlake October 1843
Baptism November 1843
Census results: 1851 Fishlake
1861 Not found as yet.
1871 to 1911 Residing Waterside Thorne.
Death in 1914 at Thorne.
Off to look into that illegitimate son, and newspaper article, thanks for that :)
Frank.
Edited to add, after reading through this I forgot to say I didn't have the 1841 census.
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:) Interesting that both "Carter/George"resided at Waterside at the same time in 1911 as Thomas then?
Keyboard86
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George appears to be the illegitimate son of Sarah prior to marriage, transcribed as George BEARMAN 6th June 1830 Fishlake........................................................................
England select marriages 1538 - 1973:
Name Sarah Bearmont
Spouse Thomas Poskitt
Marriage 1831 Fishlake, York, England
Residence Fishlake, Yorkshire, England
Miss-transcribed there as well
Frank
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So, bearing in mind, Sarah Beaumont had a illegitimate son who is/was a Beaumont (Bearmont / Bearman) and she married Thomas Poskitt, we have George (Carter?) Poskitt in 1901 and 1911 at Waterside in Thorne.
I've just found "George Poskitt Beaumont" at Waterside in 1891, surely that's the same man as in 1901 and 1911.
Frank.
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Good find Frank. 'George Sockitt Beaumont' ag lab on ancestry RG12; Piece: 3869; Folio: 96; Page: 7. Maybe he was in the Grenadier Guards under this name? But when did he find time to serve?
Josey
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I wonder if he could be the George Poskitt aged 20 in the Sheffield Independent 8th March 1851 who was given 2 months hard labour for stealing a pound of butter, four pounds of bread and an ounce of tobacco the property of Nathaniel Charlesworth of Fishlake?.................................................................
I wonder if this is the George in question, if so, I wonder if he used this "experience" to try and better himself by joining up when released after his two months hard labour.....................................................
Frank.
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So, bearing in mind, Sarah Beaumont had a illegitimate son who is/was a Beaumont (Bearmont / Bearman) and she married Thomas Poskitt, we have George (Carter?) Poskitt in 1901 and 1911 at Waterside in Thorne.
I've just found "George Poskitt Beaumont" at Waterside in 1891, surely that's the same man as in 1901 and 1911.
Frank.
Hi again, if the George Poskitt Beaumont in 1891( living previous page to his possible brother Thomas Poskitt) is the same George Poskitt in 1901/1911 on all three census returns he is a Widower, under which name did he marry and when?
And the obvious, if him, just where did the "Carter" come from, and why only on the 1911 do we get any mention of Army pensioner?
Keyboard86
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And the obvious, if him, just where did the "Carter" come from, and why only on the 1911 do we get any mention of Army pensioner?
Apart from the mention of being in the Guards for 10 years on the prison record if it is the right man. Could it be that he only started received a pension between 1901 and 1911 so that's why he didn't mention it on earlier censuses while he was working?
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;D OK accept that, but still left with marriage and the Carter forename?!
Keyboard
PS bit late if b c 1830 to claim a pension 1901/1911?
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....................................................................................PS bit late if b c 1830 to claim a pension 1901/1911?
I wonder if he did :-\ perhaps he was just an old soldier and classed himself as a pensioner, he seems to have been a bit of a character tho', the newspaper article says:
"Up to a few years ago he used to put on his uniform and regalia each Christmas and parade the streets of the town, calling on many of his friends for the customary Christmas box"
However he may have also been a very proud man :-\ I've trawled through Ancestry and FindMyPast most of the afternoon and have found nothing to help my quest.
Thank you all so much for your continued interest and input.
Frank :)
Frank.
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;D OK accept that, but still left with marriage and the Carter forename?!
Keyboard
PS bit late if b c 1830 to claim a pension 1901/1911?
So was "Carter" George?
Marriage etc?
Keyboard86😀
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So was "Carter" George?
Marriage etc?
Keyboard86
There lies the enigma, I don't know :-[ I cannot find a "Carter Poskitt" anywhere (hence my opening post), he's only mentioned as Carter in the newspaper article, I/we think Carter is the George in the 1911 and possibly 1901 and 1891 census returns, birth date and birth place match.
Also as groom said, the mention of being in the Guards for 10 years on the prison record for George, if it is the right man.
Nothing can be found of him prior to 1891, all of the great work done by yourself, groom, josey and lizdb and also my contributions don't give us anything concrete, as for a marriage I can't find one.
Frank.
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Hi again, a long shot:-
Marriage George Beaumont 44 occ Labourer No father shown
Ellen Walls 28 Father John Walls occ Soldier
21st September 1874 Hatfield
Burial Ellen Beamount 31st December 1878 Thorne aged 33
Keyboard86
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Hi again, a long shot:-
Marriage George Beaumont 44 occ Labourer No father shown
Ellen Walls 28 Father John Walls occ Soldier
21st September 1874 Hatfield
Burial Ellen Beamount 31st December 1878 Thorne aged 33
Keyboard86
Hi, although we still cannot say if this is George / Carter Poskitt (sometimes could have named himself Beaumont, Beaumont Poskitt etc, etc), it's interesting to note that according to the marriage entry image, George was living at Stainforth which is only separated from Fishlake by the river Don.
Frank.