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Hi
Thomas Hood born Stretton, Staffordshire circa 1803
Oliver Hood, born Gt Wyrley 1846 Mother nee (Pozner per GRO Births online), believed to be Poyner.
In the 1851 Census and 1861 Census Oliver Hood's Father was Thomas Hood, Forgeman (who had married a Poynor), are living at Gt. Wyrley and his Birthplace - Stretton, Staffs, but I cannot find a Thomas Hood birth record for Stretton?
I can see a Stretton, near Stretton Hall, Staffs and an area of Burton on Trent is called Stretton.
Any local Staffordshire knowledge re places called Stretton in Staffordshire, a hamlet perhaps, in a Parish?
EDIT: Seems there are many gaps in the BTs and I am wondering if the BTs were used. I will have to get sight of the actual main Baptism Register images.
Search on Family Search, no name (blank), just with:- Stretton, Staffordshire, England 1800 - 1805
Quite a few obviously saying Stretton, Staffordshire for their Birthplace on the Census ...
An Ann Wood baptised there c.1805?
Hannah Procter c.1801?
Ann Leck c.1804
William Dyke c.1804
Mary Smallwood c.1804
George Howell c.1801
Joseph Page c.1803
Eliza Croxall c.1803
Regards Mark
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Cannock - 1 March 1846
Oliver, son of Thomas (Forgeman) and Mary of Churchbridge
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Looking on familysearch at the catalogue, it comes up with two places called Stretton in Staffordshire. One is Stretton near Burton upon Trent and the other is Stretton near Penkridge. This latter place seems to be the most likely after looking at where the family is living in the Censuses. Unfortunately I cannot find anything available on line re the Parish Registers.
Emeltom
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According to the parish list on FindMyPast there are baptism records on-line for:
Stretton (no church named) 1813-1900
St Mary, Stretton with Claymills 1842-1900
St John, Stretton 1659-1876 - (this is the one near Penkridge - from Genuki)
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I've just looked through the baptisms at Stretton St John and nothing for a Thomas Hood.
Emeltom
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Cannock - 1 March 1846
Oliver, son of Thomas (Forgeman) and Mary of Churchbridge
Hello
Thank you for all the replies.
According to the GRO Index Mary was Mary Pozner, believed to be an error for Poyner and Poynor and their marriage took place in the Liverpool area, according to Rootschatter Claire.
Thomas Hood the Forgeman claimed he was born Stretton Staffordshire and trying to work back from him.
Stretton, Staffordshire, Births between 1800 and 1805, I have no fewer than 21 males (not descriminating as the Females tend to marry and change their birth surname) in various Census claiming to be born Stretton.
One family of William Hodson (birth about 1801) claiming in the 1861 Census, to have child births at Stretton, Staffordshire, doesn't seem to have registered those children with the Registry Office, so I can't check to see what their Birth Registration area was. However, in the 1851 Census they are residing at Stretton, Burton upon Trent.
I see that Burton upon Trent was a place of religious dissent and nonconformism and about 30 Registers for the Town, are at various Staffs Archives.
I suspect nonconformist registers not online, might be my problem.
Regards Mark
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Hello All
Information was given to me privately and related to persons who have died within the last 100 years.
A Gt. Grandson of George Hood of Selby (via Son, James Hood) acquired a citation during his lifetime which mentions:- Pte H. P. Hood, 1917, Bedford.
Claire has managed to acquire Discharge Papers for a Herbert P Hood (recruited at York in 1916) called up 30 December 1916 and becoming a Pte in January 1917 at the Bedford Office (stamped Recruiting Office Bedford) and Wife was also residing at Bedford at the time, confirming him to be born Wyrley, Staffordshire, in 1880.
Both Claire and myself have worked this back separately (during the last week) to see where it leads to and we both get:-
1851 Census Wat? St Road, Great Wyrley
Thomas Hood, Head, Mar, aged 48, Forgeman Iron, born Staffordshire, Stretton.
Mary Hood, Wife, Mar, aged 45, Forgeman's Wife, born Staffordshire, Great Wyrley.
Fanney Hood, Dau, U, 23, Nurse Maid, born Staffordshire, Great Wyrley.
Joseph Hood, Son, U, 21, Forgeman Iron, Staffordshire, Great Wyrley.
Susanna Hood, Daur, U, 17, Maid of ale work, Staffordshire, Great Wyrley.
Francis Hood, Son, U, 16, Forgeman Iron, Staffordshire, Great Wyrley.
William Hood, Son, aged 13, Scholar, Staffordshire, Great Wyrley.
Jabez Hood, Son, aged 11, Scholar, Staffordshire, Great Wyrley.
Edmund Hood, Son, aged 9, Scholar, Staffordshire, Great Wyrley.
Oliver Hood, Son, aged 5, Scholar, Staffordshire, Great Wyrley.
We'll be checking the Nonconformist Registers and any Parish images not online too, asap, to track this Thomas Hood, born Stretton, Staffordshire, about 1803 and family, down!
Thank you for your interest.
Kind regards, Mark
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Lichfield archives would be a good place to start up the A5 trunk road say 30 min from Nuneaton area
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I'm not sure I understand your thinking ?
From Pte H. P. Hood, 1917, Bedford. there should be one paternal son, father, grandfather, Gt grandfather route back to George Hood d 1845 Selby a cooper/brewer/tanner if that's the case but you seem to have two routes back in a V form from Pte Hood being one to George Hood Selby via son James and another to a Thomas Hood Staffs unless they were brothers ? Uncle, nephew side shoot off George's father -Grandfather-forefathers or through another son of George bother of James
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The Great Grandson (James Hood's line) of George Hood of Selby gave this to another family member in their line and those surviving him, know nothing more.
We hope it has passed sideways from an unknown Hood line, to the known line from James Hood, Son of George (marr 1815).
Until, I research back further, I don't know, how and where this separate line will join into our tree.
More recently acquired mid 20th Century correspondence confirm that one in my Hood line obviously knew a Chapman and therefore likely knew some members descending from James Hood of Selby, suggesting some of the wider Hood family was known, to my line who died about 70 years ago.
I'm afraid my Hood Grandfather was killed on War Service in Action on an Aircraft returning from France and my Hood Gt Grandfather died soon after when Dad was only 7 years old.
Mark
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Like everyone else I'm unable to find a baptism for Thomas, but note that a David Hood was a witness to Thomas's marriage to Mary Poynor and was also baptising children at the same church. David was a Forgeman at the potteries and one of the baptisms gives his wife's maiden name as Tomlinson.
The 1851 census gives his age as 62 & born Congrave - possibly Congreve, which Wikipedia tells me is a manor house and its former land in Penkridge.
Baptism: 24 Apr 1790 Penkridge, David Hood s/o Joseph
Marriage: 14 Apr 1811 Rugeley, Staffs. David Hood & Sarah Tomlinson
The same couple named a son Thomas:
28 May 1820, Burton on Trent, Thomas s/o David & Sarah Hood, Clay Mills, Forgeman.
It would seem reasonable to assume that David & Thomas are related - possibly brothers or cousins.
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Like everyone else I'm unable to find a baptism for Thomas, but note that a David Hood was a witness to Thomas's marriage to Mary Poynor and was also baptising children at the same church. David was a Forgeman at the potteries and one of the baptisms gives his wife's maiden name as Tomlinson.
The 1851 census gives his age as 62 & born Congrave - possibly Congreve, which Wikipedia tells me is a manor house and its former land in Penkridge.
Baptism: 24 Apr 1790 Penkridge, David Hood s/o Joseph
Marriage: 14 Apr 1811 Rugeley, Staffs. David Hood & Sarah Tomlinson
The same couple named a son Thomas:
28 May 1820, Burton on Trent, Thomas s/o David & Sarah Hood, Clay Mills, Forgeman.
It would seem reasonable to assume that David & Thomas are related - possibly brothers or cousins.
Hello Jomot
Good to hear from you and thank you for this information.
Claire and dobfarm seem to have got this back on the West Yorkshire board, rather than keep it altogether here.
dobfarm has found in the 1851 Census at Stretton, a John Hood, Father, Widower, aged 77, Forgeman, born Congriff, Staffordshire.
I found an Elizabeth Lloyd, born Congriff Staffordshire (for birthplace comparison) born about 1843 in the 1881 England Census. In 1871, her birthplace is given as Whiston and Claire says other Census years she has Whiston, Congriff, Beacon Hill and Penkridge.
Found these places between Penkridge and Stretton, Staffordshire and Congriff (in the Census) is probably Congreve, which fits in with your Manor House lands. Map attached.
Regards Mark
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Joseph Hood bn 1812 Stretton. - No baptism found,
Joseph Hood & Ann Fone marry St Peters Derby 1835
1841 & 51 - Joseph's father John Hood bn c1774 is with the family.
John Hood born Congriff Staffs. as per 1851 census in Staffs.
John Hood 'not born in county' as per 1841 census in Staffs.
As I can't see a baptism for either of these two and both state Stretton as PoB - we wondered if Thomas & Joseph shared some familial link too.
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PENKRIDGE
Hurd of Congreve
Elizabeth I passed through Penkridge in 1575. (fn. 97) Royalist troops quartered here were worsted in a small skirmish in May 1645. (fn. 98) Richard Hurd (1720 – 1808), Bishop of Coventry and Lichfield (1774–81) and of Worcester (1781–1810), was born at Congreve, the son of John Hurd, a wealthy farmer there, and was educated at Brewood Grammar School. (fn. 99) He was appointed preceptor to the Prince of Wales and the Duke of York in 1776 and declined the Archbishopric of Canterbury in 1783. (fn. 100)
97. Penkridge Par. Reg. 74.
98. Tildesley, Penkridge, 18 n. [A History of Penkridge, ... , by James Carpenter Tildesley]
99. & 100. Dictionary of National Biography
http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/14/101014249/
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There was a forge at Congreve, probably on the site of the former mill, by 1717, and its output then and in 1750 was 120 tons. (fn. 108) It continued in use until at least 1832 (fn. 109) but was untenanted c. 1841. (fn. 110)
108. E. Wyndham Hulme, 'Statistical History of the British Iron Trade, 1717–50' (Newcomen Soc. 1928), 8 (copy in W.S.L.); Penkridge Par. Reg. 311.
109. Penkridge Par. Reg. 319; Yates, Map of Staffs. (1799), based on a survey made between 1769 and 1775; S.R.O., Q/RDc 22a; Teesdale, Map of Staffs. (1832). It was stated in 1817 that the forge had been held by an ironmaster named Barker, father of the Miss Barker of Congreve who wrote a novel called 'A Welch Story': Pitt, Staffs. 258. A Thomas Barker, junior, occurs in 1777: S.R.O., D. 260/M/box 16, bdle. a.
110. Tithe Maps and Apportionment, Penkridge (copy in William Salt Library), no. 2798; it was owned by the lord of Congreve.
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The surname of Richard Hood of Stamford Bridge, Parish of Catton, Yorkshire, was spelt Hurd in the Register (Thread: Manor of Catwick, near Leven ... Reply #13, regarding Richard Hood)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752071.msg6214889#msg6214889
Mark
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1841 & 51 - Joseph's father John Hood bn c1774 is with the family.
John Hood born Congriff Staffs. as per 1851 census in Staffs.
Census address for both years is Clay Mills, Stretton. The Description of Enumeration District states Stretton is within the parish of Burton on Trent.
David Hood was a witness to Thomas's marriage to Mary Poynor and was also baptising children at the same church. David was a Forgeman at the potteries and one of the baptisms gives his wife's maiden name as Tomlinson.
The 1851 census gives his age as 62 & born Congrave - possibly Congreve, which Wikipedia tells me is a manor house and its former land in Penkridge.
Baptism: 24 Apr 1790 Penkridge, David Hood s/o Joseph
Marriage: 14 Apr 1811 Rugeley, Staffs. David Hood & Sarah Tomlinson
The same couple named a son Thomas:
28 May 1820, Burton on Trent, Thomas s/o David & Sarah Hood, Clay Mills, Forgeman.
So the David Hood b1790 'Congreve' who witnessed Thomas Hood's marriage appears to have a definite link to the John Hood b1774 'Congriff', via Clay Mills at Stretton.
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Hi Jomot
There is an earlier John Hood in the Penkridge registers that has quite a few children between 1740 & 1763. Given names that Thomas gave his children, I think the Hoods we are finding all stem from this John.
Thomas HUDD bn 1744 Anne Hudd bn 1749
John HUDD bn 1746 William Hudd bn 1751
George HADD bn 1754 Abraham Hudd bn 1756
Francis HOOD bn 1759 James Hood bn 1763
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I also wondered about the Joseph Hood of Clay Mills buried Burton on Trent 4 May 1813 aged 66 (bc1747)
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David's father was a Joseph Hood, presuming there is only one Joseph, Davids siblings - Joseph 1776, William 1779, Robert 1780, Mary 1784.
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Thanks for all these replies Jomot and Claire, I'm now trying to digest them and other information sent.
Yes, Claymills is at Stretton, Burton upon Trent.
Think I need to concentrate on Hood and Hudd (rather than Hurd).
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Regarding James and Sarah Hood of Selby (Son of, George Hood married Selby 1815), one of the middle names of their Children was PEARSON.
Just noticed this, sent to me from Claire 2 days ago ...
"Have found some interesting marriages in the early Penkridge registers.
A John Hood husbandman marries in 1774 ( cannot write)
Widower John Hood remarries in 1780 to an Ann PEARSON ( both leave their mark)
This man buries quite a few children .
It's as far as I've got."
Regards Mark
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Like everyone else I'm unable to find a baptism for Thomas, but note that a David Hood was a witness to Thomas's marriage to Mary Poynor and was also baptising children at the same church. David was a Forgeman at the potteries and one of the baptisms gives his wife's maiden name as Tomlinson.
The 1851 census gives his age as 62 & born Congrave - possibly Congreve, which Wikipedia tells me is a manor house and its former land in Penkridge.
Baptism: 24 Apr 1790 Penkridge, David Hood s/o Joseph
Marriage: 14 Apr 1811 Rugeley, Staffs. David Hood & Sarah Tomlinson
The same couple named a son Thomas:
28 May 1820, Burton on Trent, Thomas s/o David & Sarah Hood, Clay Mills, Forgeman.
It would seem reasonable to assume that David & Thomas are related - possibly brothers or cousins.
Hello Jomot
Good to hear from you and thank you for this information.
Claire and dobfarm seem to have got this back on the West Yorkshire board, rather than keep it altogether here.
dobfarm has found in the 1851 Census at Stretton, a John Hood, Father, Widower, aged 77, Forgeman, born Congriff, Staffordshire.
I found an Elizabeth Lloyd, born Congriff Staffordshire (for birthplace comparison) born about 1843 in the 1881 England Census. In 1871, her birthplace is given as Whiston and Claire says other Census years she has Whiston, Congriff, Beacon Hill and Penkridge.
Found these places between Penkridge and Stretton, Staffordshire and Congriff (in the Census) is probably Congreve, which fits in with your Manor House lands. Map attached.
Regards Mark
In red (--I never posted that above)
All I posted on the Yorkshire board was ---
CONGREVE seems most likely being Stretton village, and Stretton Hall are near
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A bit more on the John Hood who married the Ann Pearson.
There is a burial for an Ann wife of John Hood in 1787.
He had numerous children including a George who was buried 1778 and a William buried 1782.
Sarah & Elizabeth Bapt. 1782
John Bapt 1783
Mary Bapt 1785
Here is a BT of Thomas Hood & Mary Poynors marriage.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XWBK-P7?i=460&cat=560781
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Hi
Thanks for replies.
David Hood, Wharfinger, of Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, 1810 Probate.
Executrix was Jane Hood of Wolverhampton.
Sons John Hood & George Hood.
Mark
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Hello
I wonder if there is any Apprenticeship record for this David Hood, late of Wolverhampton, please?
This 1810 Probate Abstract only confirms that Jane Hood was an Executrix.
I wonder if Jane Hood was his wife though?
Family Search 1700 to 1810 is giving two marriages amongst the first results (but no occupations):-
David Hood & Jane Richardson, St Mary, BEVERLEY, Yorkshire, 13 June 1773.
David Hood & Jane Tilly, St Matthew's BETHNAL GREEN, Middlesex, 3 March 1762.
Regards Mark
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Baptism of son George in 1793 Wolverhampton confirms David's wife was a Jane.
The David Hood that married in Beverley was a joiner when he married.
I'm thinking the other marriage in 1762 Bethnal Green may be too early given the baptism of George in 1793. Cannot see a baptism for a John Hood, yet.
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Baptism of son George in 1793 Wolverhampton confirms David's wife was a Jane.
The David Hood that married in Beverley was a joiner when he married.
I'm thinking the other marriage in 1762 Bethnal Green may be too early given the baptism of George in 1793. Cannot see a baptism for a John Hood, yet.
Thanks Claire
If this George Hood was also born about 1793 around the time of his baptism, he would be too young to be my George.
Mark
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Hello
I have been looking high and low, for any place, including out of county, for a place called CONGRIFF.
The nearest and only one I can find is Congrieff in the Lands database in the National University of Ireland - Galway.
Congrieff in the Townland of Corgrig;
Civil Parish of Robertstown;
Barony of Shanid;
County Limerick.
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=1977
HOOD of County Mayo
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/family-show.jsp?id=654
I have also acquired Irish documents of another area, where a John Hood and James Hood had their Farm on Lease in the 19th Century and for the life of HRH Prince Alfred.
EDIT: George Hood (owner). The date when John & James Hood took over the Lease, is too late.
I have also wondered if some of these untraceable HOODs were Irish immigrants.
Regards Mark
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Hi
Congreve Family of Congreve and Stretton, near Penkridge, Staffordshire.
Staffs CRO - D1057
Records of the Congreve family of Congreve and Stretton.
The Congreves were associated with Congreve and Stretton near Penkridge from the 14th century ...
Deeds, Stretton and Congreve 16th-19th century, estate records, Staffs., Berks., Cheshire and Flint, 15th-19th century ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/b52dd3ae-2bcc-4c32-b3fc-ec97fd64a9fa
Congreve of Congreve also held Burton Hall, Cheshire.
Congreve of Congreve - Pages 15 & 16 ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uo9AAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=%22Congreve+of+Congreve%22&source=bl&ots=3vzPCmGMBq&sig=qOhlNn072Lylwlz6tu4oHv1LNac&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjn9dL0lr7VAhUsJcAKHdZCAsAQ6AEIMjAC#v=onepage&q=%22Congreve%20of%20Congreve%22&f=false
Hopefully we'll find these Hoods in Estate correspondence.
There is also a place called Congreve House, home of Mr James Attwood, Esq., in 1819. His Son was Mr J. A. Attwood.
Mark
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I do feel that 'Congriff' is Congreve in Staffs. Although if this John Hood knew where he was born - why put he was born out of county on the 1841 census ?
Weird - I was looking at a family in the North East before - a son was a Charles Attwood Hood ::)
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I'm hoping that the Hoods might be Tenants of Congreve. There was a Forge at Congreve too, so I'm hopeful Forgemen John Hood will show up and in their 18th Century Staffordshire Rentals and Accounts, which are described as numerous.
Added: In the Congreve Mss catalogue, the Forge is described as Congreve Mill & Forge and in a 1766 Counterpart Lease as an "Iron Mill and Forge".
Don't know if Congreve House, home of Mr James Attwood, Esquire is the same place, as the Congreve Estate of Congreve and Stretton.
Mark
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A forge man puddler was a man who in general terms looked after the light furnace, responsible for preparation of clay, iron mix glace-shot firing to pot ........for the mold man or pot maker........
Drop forge man responsible for usually making steel from irons, minerals or scrap, molding steel billets and machine hammering out the steel billets (forging ) but in general terms a heavy furnace man and heavy professional hammerman
Village light/medium steel work - forge man/blacksmith/farrier (self explanatory)
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Thanks dobfarm
Been on the telephone & the collection sounds very interesting. There are Congreve and Stretton Staffordshire Surveys, Rentals and Accounts.
From 1551 into the 17th Century the Congreves even had their own Book of Births, Deaths and Marriages, which also record the numerous children of Thomas Congreve.
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I've seen a Probate relating to another late H. P. Hood (a Private enlisting in 1919, too late really) who descended from a Hood family in Norfolk, but it looks as if Pte Herbert Percy Hood (enlisted late 1916, Private in 1917) born in the Parish of Wyrley 1880 is our man in the citation, who is traced back to Iron Forgeman Thomas Hood, born Stretton, Staffordshire, about 1803.
Incidentally, we have Hoods in my direct line carrying Herbert and Percy in their forenames, born 1880s.
I just hope Pte H. P. Hood's ancestors are linked to my known Hood tree and that this is not one of those same surname items, that are sometimes purchased by families.
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There is a claim (not checked) that the Congreve family, have links with William Congreve of Bardsey, Yorkshire?
"William, the sonne of Mr. William Congreve, of Bardsley Grange, was baptised, February 10th, 1669."
Mark
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William Congreve born 1669 died in 1729 and is buried in Poets Corner in Westminster Abbey.
His parents ( William C and Mary Browning were both from Staffordshire)
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Congreve,_William_(1670-1729)_(DNB00)
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Hello
Thanks Claire and dobfarm.
There was a reference in the Selby Abbey Graves & Churchyard book of circa 1915 (in Selby Abbey), to Mary PEARSON (nee Snar / Snarr) Widow of Martin Pearson (Tailor) of Selby, dying BREWOOD, Staffordshire. Brewood was in the Registration District of Penkridge, so living in the area to the Hoods on this thread.
Martin PEARSON and Mary Pearson living next door to a COOK couple in the 1841 Census at Gowthorpe, Selby.
Martin PEARSON and [?] COOK shown together in the 1839 Selby Rate Book too.
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Some of the parentage of Mary Pearson (nee Snar) originate in Eastrington "Easterington" [near New Port] according to the Selby Register.
The mystery George Hood of Selby acquired his Wren Lane, Selby, Malt Kiln from John Clarkson, Farmer of New Port, Eastrington (formerly occupied by Henry Mitton, Maltster of Snaith, Yorkshire).
I'm wondering if this Martin Pearson (Grandson of Jonas Pearson of Castleforth) is part of the Pearson family, I am seeking.
New Port, Parish of Eastrington
http://www.howdenshirehistory.co.uk/villages/newport-history.html
John Clarkson, Farmer and Corn Miller.
George Cock, Farmer.
Methodist Chapel there from 1780s.
2nd Map (in link) has Eastrington (also Sandholme and Staddlethorpe (George Cockin residence) nearby)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6284494#msg6284494
Regards Mark
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William Cooke ( M Pearsons neighbor) was born in Holme upon Spalding Moor.
His father John Cook was a Corn Miller from Howden - married Sarah Clement by licence at Leeds 10 Nov. 1806.
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William Cooke ( M Pearsons neighbor) was born in Holme upon Spalding Moor.
His father John Cook was a Corn Miller from Howden - married Sarah Clement by licence at Leeds 10 Nov. 1806.
Thank you Claire
Incidentally, Holme on Spalding Moor, was where my 3 X Gt Grandmother Sarah Hood died, James Marshall of Holme on Spalding Moor, Son-in-Law, was the informant (Father of Harold Hudson Marshall).
Mark