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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: mikeblake101 on Thursday 27 July 17 10:09 BST (UK)
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I would like to find the birth of my great grandmother Lizzie Nagle (nee Callaghan / O'Callaghan).
She married Maurice Nagle in 1912 at the Roman Catholic church in Castlemagner. Her name is Lizzie Callaghan and her father is Patrick O'Callaghan.
Her name on all 4 children's birth records that I can find (born in Ballyclough) is Lizzie Nagle formerly Callaghan or O'Callaghan.
I can't tie her down anywhere else, so don't know if she is officially Elizabeth or Eliza or Lizzie.
However, there is a Mary Callaghan (father Patrick Callaghan) who married a Patrick Nagle in 1908 at the Roman Catholic church in Castlemagner so I have assumed this is her sister and her husband's brother. I have found this family on the 1911 census, which gives Mary's age as 23, so born around 1888. This gives several possibilities for their parents with births registered in Kanturk and Mallow between 1886 and 1890.
Any thoughts on where I could look next?
Many thanks
Mike
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Mike have you looked at www.irishgenealogy.ie which have the Civil Records & images in some cases depending on year.
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Thanks for your reply. Yes, that is where I found details about her sister, but I can't seem to find Lizzie on there with any degree of certainty.
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I don't know if this is of any help, but Lizzie's address on the Marriage Certificate is Cecilstown.
Her age is given as "full age" - 21 or over.
The marriage was in the parish of Castlemagner, in the Registrar's District of Kanturk.
Not that that is helping locating Lizzie on the 1911 Ireland census! :-\
(Certificate available on Irishgenealogy.ie)
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Catholic Registers are available to browse at registers.nli.ie
However, baptisms in Castlemagner only run to 1880.
Baptisms in Kanturk run to 1881.
Baptisms in Ballyclough run to 1881.
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Many thanks. Yes, her presumed sister is also listed as living in Cecilstown at the time of marriage, which is a further connection between the two and tantalizing, but doesn't seem to lead anywhere. Obviously the family home could have been in Cecilstown, but they could also perhaps have been living in as servants, perhaps even with Lizzie inheriting Mary's job when she married. I'm sure there are many other possible explanations.
Presumably the later baptismal records are available to view in person somewhere - Mallow Heritage centre or at the church or elsewhere. That would be useful to know if anyone can help.
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Looking at Church Records on Irishgenealogy:
DoB 15 March 1879 at Monkstown
Eliza Callaghan, daughter of Patrick Callaghan and Eliza Flaherty.
Abode Haulbowline
Baptism 7 May 1871 at Bandon
Lizzie Callaghan, daughter of Patrick Callaghan and Honora Murphy
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Marriage of Lizzie Callaghan and Michael Nagle (1912)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09925/5608263.pdf
Marriage of Mary Callaghan and Patrick Nagle (1908) shows a Maggie Callaghan as one of the witnesses
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1908/10059/5658602.pdf
Can't see any trace of Lizzie/Eliza/etc. in 1901 or 1911 census in Cecilstown or area ???
This seems to be Maurice Nagle in 1911 livin at home-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Ballyclogh/Longueville/427506
Added- see also
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=775769.0;topicseen
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Nicely the baptism of Maurice NAGLE in 1877 is annotated with details of his marriage to Elizabeth O'CALLAGHAN Jul 14 1912 LINK (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632299#page/124/mode/1up) (half way down right hand page)
Marraiges for 1912 are not online but the church record may hold more information on Elizabeth's past and parents
Edited to add
I think this is Lizzie's birth record as Margaret Lizzie O'CALLAGHAN LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02352/1879251.pdf)
Father Patrick O'CALLAGHAN, a labourer of Cecilstown and Mother Catherine nee O'CALLAGHAN
She was baptised Elizabeth Margaret CALLAGHAN on Jan 10 1892 in Castlemagner Parish
This is not yet on line but available as a transcription on a paid site
This would tie with aghadowey's previous find showing the witness at Mary's marriage as Maggie
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Marriage of parents Jan 06 1883 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10930/5993511.pdf)
Patrick CALLAGHAN and Catherine CALLAGHAN
family
1883 Ellen CALLAGHAN LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02707/1996803.pdf) #48; died Jun 18 1908 aged 23 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05475/4532935.pdf) #126
1885 John CALLAGHAN LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02641/1974150.pdf) #314
1887 Denis CALLAGHAN bap Apr 10 1887 I cannot see Civil Birth Record
1889 Unrecorded CALLAGHAN bap May 26 1889 I cannot see Civil Birth Record
probably Mary based on census return
1892 Elizabeth Margaret CALLAGHAN bap Jan 10 1892 link above to civil record
which leads me to believe that this maybe her family in 1901 LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Roskeen/Cecilstown/1148889/) and that Lizzie is shown as Margaret
and on 1911 census also LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Roskeen/Cecilstown/417302/)
Kate CALLAGHAN and son Denis in 1911 LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Roskeen/Cecilstown_Town/417334/)
death of Kate CALLAGHAN Nov 17 1922 aged 63 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1922/05061/4386854.pdf) #128 aged 63; informant son Denis
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This is brilliant. Thank you so much. Do the rules allow you to tell me which paid site I should look at?
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Rootsireland.ie
It is a transcription as the original baptism is not yet available on NLI.ie. it maybe available directly from the Church. The Civil Record is a good match in light of all the other information.
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These two children may be those of Maurice NAGLE and Lizzie CALLAGHAN
They both died in Sept 1917 of Scarlatina (Scarlet Fever)
Patrick aged 4 and Garrett aged 2 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05205/4438872.pdf) #250 & 251
Maurice and Lizzie definitely had a Garrett on Oct 16 1915
but Patrick may have been the son of John NAGLE & Dina CREEDON b Dec 15 1913
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Thank you very much. This has opened lots of doors.
Maurice and Lizzie also had Johanna (b.1913), Kate (b.1914) and my grandmother Nano (b.1920).
My mother didn't know any of her family, including her mother, until she was in her forties so there are lots of gaps.