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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: LindseyB on Friday 28 July 17 20:53 BST (UK)
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Hi, can anyone help?
Constance Peadle, born 1656 in Rye was married to James Vigor. They were my 6xgreat-grandparents. Constance was born to John Peadle and "Dorothy" East who were married in 1654 in Rye.
I've looked for Dorothy's birth and have found the birth of a Dorothia to a Guliemli East in Northiam in 1628. She appears to have two sisters, Ann born 1623 and Maria born 1625.
How do I find the mother to the three girls?
Thanks.
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Might be more connected East baptisms later at Northiam.
Including Thomas (1637) and a (second?) Mary (1640), parents William + Allic/e (source FamilySearch)
Sussex Marriage Index has a possibility
2 March 1622/3
Rye, East Sussex
Wm East, of Beckley + Alles Sharp, of Northiam
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That baptism of Anne was in 1624 in today's terms
Northiam BT for 25 March 1623 - 25 March 1624
Anne the daughter of William East was baptized Feb 1
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Thanks, jonw65, will take a look.
KR
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There is a burial of Mary, the wife of William East, 24 November 1638, Northiam
But definitely a Thomas East baptized there, 16 April 1637, son of William East, by his wife Alice
(BT's again)
John
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John, what's Northiam BT/BT's?
Thanks again.
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Hi
Bishops Transcripts, copies of the parish registers made annually, which are available to view on FamilySearch if you are registered with the website.
We could see East Sussex parish registers at home for a short time, but they have been removed. But we can still view BT's for the whole county (at the moment!)
So, if you do decide to register, the BT with the Thomas East baptism is here
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6D97-474?i=77&cat=1021979
and the next image has the burial of Mary East in the following year
John
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Doh! Sorry, brain wasn't engaged.
Thanks again.
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Looking on SFHG's transcripts I've found the following for Northiam:
Baptisms - all with father as William East:
Anne 01 Feb 1624 (FamilySearch has the father as Gulielmi)
Mary 20 Nov 1625 (FamilySearch has the father as Gulielmi)
Dorothy 14 Dec 1628 (FamilySearch has forename as Dorothia and father as Gulielmi)
Mary 08 Jan 1632
William 30 Nov 1634
Mary 29 Nov 1640
I couldn't find the Thomas that jonw65 found in the BTs in SFHG's transcripts but I did find him on FamilySearch for 16 Apr 1637 at Northiam.
Burials - children of William & Alice
Thomas - two burials listed 16 Apr 1637 and 15 Mar 1640. (This indicates that William and Alice had two sons baptised Thomas but where was the second one baptised? First Thomas baptised and buried on the same day!)
Mary 24 Nov 1638
The three baptisms for Mary make me wonder if there was more than one William East having children baptised at Northiam but there's only one William East marriage listed in SFHG's Sussex Marriage Index (as jonw65 said) and on A****ry, or somewhere along the line Gulielmi has been miss-transcribed as William (there's no marriage for a Gulielmi East in SFHG's Sussex Marriage Index) this would make sense of the Mary burial in 1638 followed by another Mary baptism in 1640. The other possibility is that the first two Marys were buried elsewhere than at Northiam - I checked Beckley to no avail in case in William's 'marriage home parish'.
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Wow, thank you artifis!
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I've checked on FamilySearch and SFHG's transcriptions and they differ to what jonw65 found in the BTs regarding the Mary East burial in 1638.
FamilySearch transcribes the records as Mary East buried 24 Nov 1638 at Northiam d/o William & Allice East.
SFHG transcribes the record as Mary East d/o William and Allice w William - (BT) Make what you will of that transcription! I wonder if the 'w' between Allice and William is meant to indicate that Allice was the wife of William? Certainly not his widow as they have the subsequent Mary.
It makes sense of the baptisms of the two later Marys if the above burial is that of the Mary baptised in 1632.
I wonder if some of the transcriptions of the Mary's baptism in 1625 has miss-transcribed Maria as Mary - FamilySearch has the name as Maria. Has some transcriber either miss-read the name or thought 'helpfully' that Maria was actually Mary whereas it seems to me to be a different person. ???
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Thanks again artifis.
When I posted a couple of days ago I wasn't very hopeful that much would be found due to the date but it's great that these records have survived.
:)
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Thank you, Artifis.
It certainly makes sense if Mary buried 1638 was daughter of William + Alice, rather than wife. Maybe an error in the BT?
And the 1625-6 Northiam BT does say Mary the Daughter of William East was baptized 20 November
What a pity we cannot still see the parish register online!
John
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Possibly muddying the waters, both FamilySearch and A*****ry have the burial of a Maria East d/o Gabriel East on 22 April 1640 but unfortunately neither gives a location. SFHG doesn't have the burial either.
jonw65 - I've found in the past that the BTs do contain errors which have emanated from the poor record keeping/writing of the incumbent. I had a classic example where the incumbent's writing deteriorated over a couple of years to get to be extremely shaky in the parish records, almost undecipherable, but in the BTs was very steady and clear. Further checking back to when the incumbent's writing was OK indicated that the later BTs were completed by someone else. That took a researcher I'd hired a bit of trouble to unravel! :)
Yes shame we can't view the originals of either the parish records or BTs on line - yet.
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My feeling is that Maria was mistranscribed as Mary, then the first Mary, b1631 died in 1632. Another daughter, called Mary was born in 1640.
My hunch is that the Maria who died in 1640, daughter of Gabriel is probably Gulielmi and mistranscribed but with no place of burial I can't be certain.
Thomas being baptised and buried on the same day is too far off the mark I think so yet another error.
... But, great work. Thanks.
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I wouldn't necessarily discount the baptism and burial on the same day, if the child was born extremely poorly then he could have been baptised immediately after whilst he still lived then buried later in the day or of course he could have caught a highly contagious illness, was baptised then buried asap after death to stop spread of the disease.
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There was something nagging at me regarding baptism and burial on the same day and I checked back over my records and about six or seven years ago I was given scanned copies of a family bible from my wife's family, actually a sibling of her direct ancestors so I didn't take too much notice at the time. The chap keeping the records in the bible noted the date and time of birth of each child (not only the date but also the time of his wedding) and for the children who died he recorded the date, time to the second and heartrending comments such as "he died without a struggle or complaint". There was one child born early in the morning - recorded as a long and awful birth. The child was baptised at home less than an hour after birth, died shortly after and was buried late in the afternoon. I can't find the actual record at the moment but I seem to remember he recorded something to the effect that the child scarcely breathed whilst it lived. Obviously the parish incumbent was on hand to help the family.
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I thought I'd see if there as any baptism for Alice Sharp at Northiam as she is your greatx8 grandmother. There isn't any of SFHG but there are two for Alicia on FamilySearch:
Alicia Sharp 10 Sep 1599 d/o Edwardi
Alicia Sharp 23 Mar 1599 d/o Jacobi
I wonder if the BT's for Alice's marriage give any details as to her father? Sorry I don't have access to those.