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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: westernwombat on Saturday 29 July 17 11:45 BST (UK)
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The Burke and Wills Exploring Expedition from Melbourne to the northern coastline of Australia in 1860/61 is generally known to Australians, and has a website dedicated to that saga at the State Library of Victoria (SLV).
DIG - The Burke and Wills Research Gateway
http://burkeandwills.slv.vic.gov.au/
I am interested in knowing for sure some accurate information about a some-time member of the expedition who may or may not be related to my Landells lineage - George James LANDELLS.
Specifically: the family particulars (names and details of relatives, his and his father's, uncle's, grandfather's British Army service in the Caribbean and India, and where GJ Landells was born, lived, and also details about his wife Elizabeth Rosa).
George James LANDELLS / LANDELS, who was commissioned to supply camels for the Burke and Wills Exploring Expedition, was at first second-in-command of the expedition until an argument with Burke after a short time. Landells resigned or was sacked by Burke, and did not proceed beyond the colony of Victoria.
After the disastrous end to that venture, Landells' reputation was (in my opinion) besmirched by certain agencies, but vigorously defended by one of his sisters living in Bendigo. It makes interesting reading.
In contrast, Burke's inept leadership and skills have been glossed over and he is some sort of latter-day "celebrity" for whom a prominent commemorative statue exists in Melbourne CBD (recently moved while new underground rail works are constructed).
The vital information that I have for LANDELLS comes from the SLV and from some newspaper articles from the time (NLA scans, at "Trove").
About GJ Landells, the bare information that I have collected - not well verified -
George James Landells, b. 5 Feb 1825, Barbados, West Indies; d. 4 Dec 1871, Rawal Pindi, Bengal, India
His wife was Elizabeth Rosa (no surname, dates or place of birth or death, and no marriage date for them).
I have searched the usual places, and I cannot verify any of that information. I am entirely reliant on the information at the SLV - but hope that some experienced researcher at RootsChat can unearth corroborative data and new clues.
Under a similar Topic, I have gained valuable insights about some of GJ LANDELLS' siblings and their families - but so far, none about the (controversial) man himself.
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http://www.burkeandwills.net.au/Explorers/VEE_Officers/landells.htm
Jamjar
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Yes, as in my initial post - that is where all my information for George James Landells came from.
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Hi westernwombat,
Did you contact the person supplying LANDELL's details - email address given on the link Jamjar supplied?
Ros
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Yes, as in my initial post - that is where all my information for George James Landells came from.
As per your 'initial post' I can't see where you have mentioned the website I have provided. In fact you have said that "I am entirely reliant on the information at the SLV". The site I provided is not related to the SLV.
Jamjar
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At Project Gutenberg Australia you can freely read the book edited by William WILLS, father of William John WILLS, titled Successful Exploration through the Interior of Australia from Melbourne to the Gulf of Carpentaria..
Your chap, G J LANDELLS is mentioned there, many many times. WJWills sent letters back to his father at the time of G J LANDELLS quarrels with various members of the team in the early days as they set out from Melbourne. The details of those letters are included in the book that was first published in 1863.
You write that Landells resigned or was sacked by Burke, and did not proceed beyond the colony of Victoria. I am quite sure that LANDELLS and BECKLER were still with the expedition at Balranald, and Beckler did not leave the expedition until they were at Menindie.
It seemed to me that Landells had been quarrelling with various team members, Landells wanting the camels to cross the Darling River on the punt rather than like the horses who were led through the water.
I think you will find that the 'straw that broke the camel's back' from Landells perspective was Burke's words re that incident, however, the book shows Landells was speaking out of turn to individual team members about other team members for much of the early part of the journey through Victoria and into NSW. (So, as second in command he was considered to be undermining the roles of various team members, not just Burke.)
May I please mention that Balranald and Menindie were, and are, both in NSW. I do not recall reading much about GJ LANDELLS family history in that book.
http://gutenberg.net.au/index.html
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The book I mention is also available via the link Jamjar provided.
JM
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Did Elizabeth remarry? If so her birth name appears to be BIGGAM
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGN8-8XJ
Elizabeth Rose Landells (Father's Name: Holmes Biggam) married Edward Emerson ( Father: Edward Emerson)
Event Date: 08 Apr 1874
Event Place: Murree, Bengal, India
In this she is shown as Elizabeth Rosa (image available but I don't have access to the image)
Adding: http://search.findmypast.com.au/results/world-records/british-india-office-marriages?firstname=elizabeth%20rosa&firstname_variants=true&lastname=landells
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Death: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kgz/ (image available if you have access)
Emerson, Elizabeth Rose; born: 1824; died1901; Rawal Pindi, Bengal; British India Office Deaths & Burials
Adding: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGVM-XWL
Name: Elizabeth Rose Emerson
Death Date: 09 Nov 1901 Age: 77
Burial Date: 09 Nov 1901
Burial Place: Rawal Pindi, Bengal, India
Birth Date: 1824
Occupation: Widow
Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Name: E. Emerson
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Proceedings of the Royal Geographical Society of London, Vol 5, No. 1 (1860-1861) pages 8, 9, 10. mention G J LANDELLS in the notes of the first fourteen days' march that had been received at that time (Nov 12, 1860, publication in London).
The exploratory caravan consists of 26 camels .... horses and wagons to convey twelve month's stores to Cooper Creek ..... camels supplied with leather shoes shod with iron, carry waterproof coverings lined with flannel to protect them in adverse weather ..... camels under the charge of Mr G.J. LANDELLS .... ten men, not including three Indian Mohammedans, who have the immediate charge of the camels... There was difficulty in persuading the camels across the only creek that interrupted their progess. Some natives who visited one of the camps, showed terror at the sight of the camels .... Indian attendants work well ... use of the camel was a new feature in the exploration of this country ....
There is the then Editor's note : Although the Members of the Expedition have quarrelled among themselves, the leader left for Cooper Creek on the 19th of October, with 7 whites, 3 coloured men, 16 camels, and 19 horses.
No mention of any family history for G J LANDELLS in that report.
JM
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Wondering if this is Elizabeth Rosa's father? http://tinyurl.com/y84ahg35
Tasmania death 1850
Name: BIGGAM, Holmes Age: 65
Date of death:: 10 Jun 1850
Registered: Hobart
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1188852
Resource: RGD35/1/3 no 144
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-3p15j2k
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Lieutenant Holmes Biggam sold "unattached Lieutenancy" to settle NSW 1839.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kh0/
Sue
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The Courier (Hobart Tas. 1840-1859) 26June1850 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2962595
To Let, with Immediate Possessions
A FARM, late in the occupation of the late Lieutenant Biggam, on the East Coast, known as " Cockle Bay," containing 320 acres; 60 of which are in cultivation and well fenced, and partly sown to barley. There is on the Establishment working bullocks, cows, pigs, and everything required to carry on the same, which the coming-in tenant can take at a valuation. For further particulars apply to the undersigned.
RICHARD CROCKER
Thorn Hill, Sorell, June 24.
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Can someone transcribe letter please?
1839 Irish immigrant to Australian penal colony
https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/37546495_1839-irish-immigrant-to-australian-penal-colony
Recommends "the merits of a respectable individual", Holmes Biggam, an Irish officer of Wellington‘s Army during the war against Napoleon in Spain, who was "intending to take out his family to Van Diemens Land", and, to "provide for a numerous family" in that penal colony, was "wholly desirous to obtain the protection and favorable opinion of the Colonial authorities both here and on the spot…"
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Is this your line?
http://www.thestewartsinireland.ie/author/georgevstewart1/
Marriage: Jane Catherine Odlum to Holmes Biggam of 29th Jun 1816
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Index of the above mentioned BIGGAM/ODLUM marriage in 1816. Dublin Ireland
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kh3/
Liverpool, Lancaster Image 1841 marriage of Edward BIGGAM, a son of Holmes BIGGAM (Army officer)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kh2/
Sue
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/174525985 Melbourne Punch, 22 Nov 1860
aside from the rest of the cutting, seems someone in Melbourne ‘knew’ the following about George James LANDELLS' family history :)
father : Captain George LANDELLS of HM 22nd Regiment,
Grandfather: Quartermaster General of the Royal Artillery, Woolwich
Uncle: Captain W LANDELLS …
JM
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Index of the above mentioned BIGGAM/ODLUM marriage in 1816. Dublin Ireland
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kh3/
Liverpool, Lancaster Image 1841 marriage of Edward BIGGAM, a son of Holmes BIGGAM (Army officer)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kh2/
Sue
This must be the daughter of Edward BIGGAM
Tas Birth: http://tinyurl.com/yddclcbd
Registration year: 1850
Name: Biggam, Jane Odlam
Father: Biggam, Edward
Mother: Dobson, Margaret
Date of birth: 26 Jun 1850
Registered: Westbury
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:993121
Resource RGD33/1/28/ no 1242
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-28-p710j2k
Tas marriage: http://tinyurl.com/y86svtbe
Date of marriage: 04 May 1876
Name: Biggam, Jane Odlem Age: 22
Spouse: Gullick, George Andrew Age:20
Registered: Launceston
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:884976
Resource: RGD37/1/35 no 528
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-35p261j2k
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And the letter to the press look who wrote it !
M. J M. Landells Keating.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/87947990 Bendigo Advertiser 15 Nov 1860
JM
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On this image which I posted above, http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kh3/ you can see the BIGGAM entry above it is for Charlotte Catherine BIGGAM marrying Henry Lucius KELLY.
Here is a Victorian birth
Frances Charlotte KELLY
At Emerald Hill
Year 1865
Father Henry Lucius KELLY
Mother Charlotte Catherine BIGGAM
REG.8392
So it looks as if Holmes did indeed bring family.
Sue
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Edward Patrick KEATING and Margaret LANDELLS are noted as parents for a chap named Geoffrey KEATING whose death is registered in Victoria in 1901. He was aged 40. #14450.
JM
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A shipping record
Margt LANDELLS
Born about 1831
Aged- 19
Arrival Date- 5 Jul 1850
Arrival Port- Port Phillip Bay, Australia
Ship- Culloden
Nationality-Jamaican
Sue
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Here is her marriage.
LANDELS, Margaret T M (I suspect the T is a mistranscribed I)
KEATING, Edward P.
1853
REG. 1169
Sue
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Here is a death-
KEATING, Margaret Isabella
Father George LANDELLS
Mother Adelaide ANDERSON
Aged 48 years
At Yarram Yar
1884/11009
Sue
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Death: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kgz/ (image available if you have access)
Emerson, Elizabeth Rose; born: 1824; died1901; Rawal Pindi, Bengal; British India Office Deaths & Burials
Adding: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGVM-XWL
Name: Elizabeth Rose Emerson
Death Date: 09 Nov 1901 Age: 77
Burial Date: 09 Nov 1901
Burial Place: Rawal Pindi, Bengal, India
Birth Date: 1824
Occupation: Widow
Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Name: E. Emerson
Thanks @cupoflife. I have considerable information about his sisters Margaret, Mary, and Adelaide and their husbands and families, but not about the man himself.
Of course I have read all of the DIG and SLV websites and many (Australian) newspaper reports, but I am very grateful for this information you have provided which is new to me.
For the benefit of others whose posts above I have just read, of course I contacted Len Meany who provided some of the biographical information to DIG/SLV (his email has changed in the past year).
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/174525985 Melbourne Punch, 22 Nov 1860
aside from the rest of the cutting, seems someone in Melbourne ‘knew’ the following about George James LANDELLS' family history :)
father : Captain George LANDELLS of HM 22nd Regiment,
Grandfather: Quartermaster General of the Royal Artillery, Woolwich
Uncle: Captain W LANDELLS …
JM
They "knew" because Punch was sending up the prior letter to the same newspaper, in which she was defending the reputation of her brother GJ Landells.
To me, the joke? falls a little flat - depending on a mild misuse of Margaret's grammar.
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A shipping record
Margt LANDELLS
Born about 1831
Aged- 19
Arrival Date- 5 Jul 1850
Arrival Port- Port Phillip Bay, Australia
Ship- Culloden
Nationality-Jamaican
Sue
Thanks @sparrett - I had the information about 2 other siblings, aged 17 and 14 when they came to Australia. You may have seen that one of them was admitted and released from a workhouse in England.
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About GJ Landells, the bare information that I have collected - not well verified -
George James Landells, b. 5 Feb 1825, Barbados, West Indies; d. 4 Dec 1871, Rawal Pindi, Bengal, India
His wife was Elizabeth Rosa (no surname, dates or place of birth or death, and no marriage date for them).
The implication in the above is that you did not even know the man's parents' names.
Am I to understand from your replies above, which reveal you have considerably more knowledge about your people of interest than your Original Post suggests, that you were also aware of the information regarding Holmes BIGGAM?
Thanks @sparrett - I had the information about 2 other siblings, aged 17 and 14 when they came to Australia. You may have seen that one of them was admitted and released from a workhouse in England.
No, I would have felt that information not particularly relevant and had not come across it.
Sue
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Yes, please let us know what info you already have, to save Rootschatters searching.
Is this Edward BIGGAM (snr) death & burial?
http://tinyurl.com/yb6ueguk
Name: Biggam, Edward
Age: 68
Date of death: 07 Sep 1887
Registered: Hobart
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1233739
Resource RGD35/1/11 no 968
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-11p121j2k
Burial: Cornelian Bay Cemetery https://tinyurl.com/yb3f64qu
Name: Edward BIGGAM Age: 68
Date of death :
Record no: 1B 6496
Service date: 9-Sep-1887
Last residence: NEW TOWN
Grave location -
Area or denomination: Pauper
Section: A
Site number: Number 492
and is this his wife Margaret?
Tas death: https://tinyurl.com/y7wh88bc
Name: Biggan, Margaret
Age: 61
Date of death: 26 Jul 1880
Registered: Longford
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1162417
Resource: RGD35/1/49 no 416A
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-49p113j2k
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Some more births for Edward BIGGAM/BIGHAM and Margaret DOBSON
Tas birth: https://tinyurl.com/yavjkztx
Name: Biggam, Edward
Father: Biggam, Edward
Mother: Dobson, Margaret
Date of birth: 01 Jun 1844
Registered: Launceston
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1106152
Resource: RGD33/1/23/ no 365
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-23-p770j2k
Tas birth: https://tinyurl.com/y99eax9c
Name: Bigham, Mary
Father: Bigham, Edward
Mother: Dobson, Margaret
Date of birth: 04 Apr 1847
Registered: Launceston
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1107415
Resource: RGD33/1/23/ no 1625
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-23-p861j2k
Death: Biggam, Mary https://tinyurl.com/yagvrcfg
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-2p144j2k
Tas birth: https://tinyurl.com/ydh5du7a
Name: Bigham, Given Name Not Recorded
Gender: Male
Father: Bigham, Edward
Mother: Dobson, Margaret
Date of birth: 05 Apr 1847
Registered: Launceston
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1107414
Resource: RGD33/1/23/ no 1624
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-23-p861j2k
Death: Bigham, (Male) Given Name Not Recorded https://tinyurl.com/y9884vpa
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-16p161j2k
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Yes, please let us know what info you already have, to save Rootschatters searching.
Is this Edward BIGGAM (snr) death & burial?
http://tinyurl.com/yb6ueguk
Name: Biggam, Edward
Age: 68
Date of death: 07 Sep 1887
Registered: Hobart
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1233739
Resource RGD35/1/11 no 968
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-11p121j2k
Burial: Cornelian Bay Cemetery https://tinyurl.com/yb3f64qu
Name: Edward BIGGAM Age: 68
Date of death :
Record no: 1B 6496
Service date: 9-Sep-1887
Last residence: NEW TOWN
Grave location -
Area or denomination: Pauper
Section: A
Site number: Number 492
and is this his wife Margaret?
Tas death: https://tinyurl.com/y7wh88bc
Name: Biggan, Margaret
Age: 61
Date of death: 26 Jul 1880
Registered: Longford
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1162417
Resource: RGD35/1/49 no 416A
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-49p113j2k
Look - I am very grateful for the information that you have all revealed for me - and without going into how little information I had 3-4 weeks ago, I hope that the following helps to explain that:
BIGGAM is not a name that I have ever seen. Those relationships are entirely new to me - and I haven't yet digested that information.
From Margaret Isabella Morris Landells KEATING's letter, and from Len Meeny's information supplied to DIG website, I knew that George James Landells had father George and relatives with army service. I also knew of a Caribbean connection - and I had discovered meagre information of the birth of 2 children of George and Margaret - parents of GJ Landells.
From her married name, Keating, I discovered the marriage in Victoria and the death of both Margaret and her husband Edward Patrick also in Victoria - with parents named.
Much of the additional information I have has been revealed to me here at RootsChat in the Research in Other Countries - JAMAICA section, under the very similar Subject as this one.
That thread was started in the hope for help in discovering the Barbados or Jamaica history of the family - if you examine that thread, you will see that a Landells sister married to a MARRACK led some very helpful RootsChat researchers to uncover their flight after Marrack's financial problems in Bendigo, with most of that family residing in San Francisco.
The presence of two other siblings in Australia I discovered just a few days ago, and was surprised that they had arrived at such young age and apparently - from the admission to a workhouse, the family circumstances were in poor shape.
Having the many siblings of GJ Landells actually in Australia - revealed to me by help here, and my own efforts - I thought it best to concentrate on Australia; hence this present thread.
My direct family connection to LANDELLS is to the Reverend William Burns LANDELLS, who arrived in Australia in 1852 from Alnwick, Northumberland. He lived in Melbourne, then in Geelong - as an Independent clergyman since Northumberland and converting to Baptism in Australia, dying in Geelong in 1871.
There has been a family "rumour" that George James Landells was perhaps related to that family - and reported in two other branches of the WB Landells tree that Rev WB Landells did also wonder about this but could not get to meet GJ Landells at the time of the Exploring Expedition's departure from Melbourne.
Len Meeny has researched WB Landells' brother Adam Landells (also in Australia, Victoria, Geelong) and assures me that that connection does NOT exist, from his investigations. But 19th and 20th century information from 3 different offshoots from the Alnwick Landells has the story of a brother who left home and was never traced, in the early 1800's. Perhaps a half-brother, is the suppositions.
That is why I have an interest in George James Landells - and know so little. And because the B&W Exploring Expedition was such a tragic failure, with aspersions caste on reputations of not just the explorers and Landells but the organizing Committee - I am interested.
OK?
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Yes, as in my initial post - that is where all my information for George James Landells came from.
As per your 'initial post' I can't see where you have mentioned the website I have provided. In fact you have said that "I am entirely reliant on the information at the SLV". The site I provided is not related to the SLV.
Jamjar
That website acknowledges that the information about George James Landells came from Len Meeny. Len supplied the same information to DIG and SLV websites (and he is acknowledged there), and I have talked to and corresponded with Len during the last year.
But you are correct - my initial post did not mention that specific website. Sorry.
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BIGGAM is not a name that I have ever seen. Those relationships are entirely new to me - and I haven't yet digested that information.
OK?
The fact the name BIGGAM is not familiar to you is really not pertinent. BIGGAM was, in fact her maiden name. You now have a lot of information about the family of the wife of George LANDELLS as you requested.
May I offer suggestions for your future inquiries-
List quite specifically what you do need to discover in a search. This is often the way to success in the forum.
Take the time to absorb and information offered before replying. It builds a clearer picture for all involved.
Linking other relevant threads to the body of more recent inquiries is also courteous and helpful.
Such simple steps will reduce frustration for all concerned as well as save time on repeated lengthy research.
Sue
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Two threads that may be of interest :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=635441.msg6171090#msg6171090
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=765475.msg6173678#msg6173678
JM
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This looks like the death of Jane Odlum GULLICK (nee BIGGAM)
Name: Gullick, Jane http://tinyurl.com/y9yllpwz
Age: 46
Date of death: 26 Feb 1897
Registered: Longford
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1216874
Resource: RGD35/1/66 no 367
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-66p145j2k
Death of her George? http://tinyurl.com/y96cgehl
Name: Gullick, George
Age: 31
Date of death: 01 Nov 1886
Registered: Beaconsfield
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1169580
Resource: RGD35/1/55 no 480
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-55p48j2k
Tas births of their children:
Name: Gullick, (Male) Given Name Not Recorded http://tinyurl.com/yb22hzmn
Father: Gullick, George Andrew
Mother: Biggem, Jane
Date of birth: 10 Feb 1877
Registered: Launceston
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1024067
Resource: RGD33/1/55 no 2761
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-55p171j2k
Name: Gullick, Johnes George http://tinyurl.com/ycsex77r
Father: Gullick, George Andrew
Mother: Biggam, Jane Odlem
Date of birth: 16 Sep 1879
Registered: Launceston
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1029438
Resource: RGD33/1/57 no 365
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-57p794j2k
Name: Gullick, Godwin Henry http://tinyurl.com/ybhse56e
Father: Gullick, George
Mother: Biggam, Jane
Date of birth: 04 Jun 1883
Registered: George Town
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1121571
Resource: RGD33/1/62 no 917
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-62p603j2k
Death: http://tinyurl.com/ybl26jme
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-53p47j2k
Name: Gullick, Bertie James http://tinyurl.com/y8qjr663
Father: Gullick, George
Mother: Bigham, Jane
Date of birth: 17 Jan 1885
Registered: Beaconsfield
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1041608
Resource: RGD33/1/64 no 753
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-64p534j2k
Death: http://tinyurl.com/y8mgssm3
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-54p42j2k
Name: Gullick, Amy Jane http://tinyurl.com/yadp5at3
Father: Gullick, George Arthur
Mother: Briggam, Jane
Date of birth: 27 Feb 1886
Registered: Beaconsfield
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1124303
Resource: RGD33/1/65 no 745
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-65p096j2k
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I am interested in knowing for sure some accurate information about a some-time member of the expedition who may or may not be related to my Landells lineage - George James LANDELLS.
Specifically: the family particulars (names and details of relatives, his and his father's, uncle's, grandfather's British Army service in the Caribbean and India, and where GJ Landells was born, lived, and also details about his wife Elizabeth Rosa).
George James LANDELLS / LANDELS, who was commissioned to supply camels for the Burke and Wills Exploring Expedition, was at first second-in-command of the expedition until an argument with Burke after a short time. Landells resigned or was sacked by Burke, and did not proceed beyond the colony of Victoria. .... After the disastrous end to that venture, Landells' reputation was ..... defended by one of his sisters living in Bendigo. It makes interesting reading.
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The vital information that I have for LANDELLS comes from the SLV and from some newspaper articles from the time (NLA scans, at "Trove").
About GJ Landells, the bare information that I have collected - not well verified -
George James Landells, b. 5 Feb 1825, Barbados, West Indies; d. 4 Dec 1871, Rawal Pindi, Bengal, India
His wife was Elizabeth Rosa (no surname, dates or place of birth or death, and no marriage date for them).
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Under a similar Topic, I have gained valuable insights about some of GJ LANDELLS' siblings and their families - but so far, none about the (controversial) man himself.
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[..... My direct family connection to LANDELLS is to the Reverend William Burns LANDELLS, who arrived in Australia in 1852 from Alnwick, Northumberland. He lived in Melbourne, then in Geelong - as an Independent clergyman since Northumberland and converting to Baptism in Australia, dying in Geelong in 1871.
There has been a family "rumour" that George James Landells was perhaps related to that family - and reported in two other branches of the WB Landells tree that Rev WB Landells did also wonder about this but could not get to meet GJ Landells at the time of the Exploring Expedition's departure from Melbourne.
Len Meeny has researched WB Landells' brother Adam Landells (also in Australia, Victoria, Geelong) and assures me that that connection does NOT exist, from his investigations. But 19th and 20th century information from 3 different offshoots from the Alnwick Landells has the story of a brother who left home and was never traced, in the early 1800's. Perhaps a half-brother, is the suppositions.
That is why I have an interest in George James Landells - and know so little. And because the B&W Exploring Expedition was such a tragic failure, with aspersions caste on reputations of not just the explorers and Landells but the organizing Committee - I am interested.
Back in Sept 1982 a family history group's magazine for its members featured an article by a descendant of a James LANDELLS, noting he had twice married (first to Evrace SCOTT), and that a son from the first marriage was named George and further the writer knew about that George 'nothing except that it is quite likely he is the father of George James LANDELLS who was connected with the famous Burke and Wills, of Australia'.
The writer details the second marriage, and shows that TWO sons of the second marriage, as adults, came to Australia with their families:
Adam LANDELLS, born 14 Jan 1813 married Margaret DOUGLAS at Gretna Green 9 March 1832, They and their children arrived South Australia 1850 and soon afterwards walked overland to Melbourne.
William Burn(s) LANDELLS and his wife Sarah RICHARDSON and children arrived per the Douglas on Christmas Day 1852 and settled around Geelong.
Here is a link to the pdf
http://www.ndfhs.org/pdfs/Vol-7-No-4.pdf
The Journal of the Northunberland & Durham Family History Society, Vol 7, No. 4, September 1982, pp 94-5.
1982 - that's before family history became such a popular hobby, and long before the internet ::) ::) :)
JM
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=775600.0 - the other current thread ...
JM
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Here is a link to the pdf
http://www.ndfhs.org/pdfs/Vol-7-No-4.pdf
The Journal of the Northunberland & Durham Family History Society, Vol 7, No. 4, September 1982, pp 94-5.
1982 - that's before family history became such a popular hobby, and long before the internet ::) ::) :)
JM
A fellow Landells researcher - actually, my 4th cousin, directly related to Rev WB Landells - spent some time with Daphne Eades-Campbell in 1980, when investigating the NZ Landells close to Rev WB Landells. I correspond with Gary, and along with several others in Australia with links to that family.
Apart from some very specific 'unknowns', I am happy enough (as an amateur genealogy researcher) with most of that part of the Landells - at present.
As far as we collectively can show, James Landells (1778-1849) had 3 wives and we have 'pencilled in' another, unknown and her conjectural son 'George', but it seems that James' parents were Adam Landells (1740-1818) and Alison Alice SCOTT (1734-1814) - I have not enquired at all about a wife Evrace SCOTT for their son James. James was - we believe - one of 4 males and 2 females.
His marriages: Ann, about 1800; Jane Burn (14 Jun 1810), Mary Wann (29 Jun 1825) all in Northumberland.
Rev WB Landells was the son of James and Jane Burn. Annotations in family bibles gave an indication some decades ago (unfortunately, I have only the hand-written transcriptions done by my aunt, around 1960). WB Landells had sisters Jane and Mary Ann, brother Adam.
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westernwombat
My cousin is a Geelong Landells descendant. I'll ask her if she knows anything.
Regards, bitzar.